I have used Vue 4.01 for a long time, now..being very happy with it's performance. But now I have a new system with win2kPro - service pack 3, on my Athlon computer with 512 high speed ddr ram... Now Vue is now having fits dealing with a 72 MB scene file! When I had win98 it only had fits when I got up to 200 MB scene file! Yes, I have open GL and everything else turned off or down to help as I always have done... but now I am thinking I "must" put the latest up-date on.. SO my question is this... does anyone have the same PC OS I am using, and has the update helped Vue work better?? (move objects, import many objects, save, open and render faster) I am going to get another 512 MB of ram soon.... even higher speed ram is coming out and so the price on my "top of the line..NOT" has dropped! :)) Lyne

There is so many bugs in 4.01 the question is how did you survive so long? Upgrade first then ask your questions. Win2pro is a pig so don't worry about running out of ram with only 512 meg. It's ten times bigger than win 98 at least so like what do you expect? I'm from the old school less is better, faster, stonger and way more reliable. Failure is directly proportional to complextiy.Speed is inversly propoptional to complextiy. Y2k

Because I did NOT run into any bugs with my particular version of 4.01... I have heard plenty of stories of the various updates messing things up.. so thought I would ask first...and looking at all the different update versions at e-on makes me even more cautious.... Lyne

Oh well then go get the last one. 4.12. They all got nasty bugs in one form or fashion. I think there may even be slight bugs in 4.12 but not much. None that get in my way here. The only thing I didn't like about 4.01 was the booleans on imported objects where broken. The little preview render screen got broken on one or two versions. I think it's now repaired on version 4.12 but I never use that feature anyway. The render is too small for me, my screen is set to 1600 X 1200 so it looks like a stamp. Lickable !

I have W2K pro on an Athlon 1G, 512DDRam. No W2K Pro service packs (machine is offline and I like it that way!), just the original s/w out of the box. I had problems with a few of the Vue releases, but have 4.12 now, and no problems with it. I have OpenGL disabled.

Athlon XP 1700 with a gig of PC 2100 and Win2k Pro, SP-2. Vue handles just fine. I also can't use Open GL, but this is an issue with the Nvidia 4in1 drivers, not the OS. If you are getting the SP-3 version, I would suggest a good firewall, as SP-3 has that little addendum in the EULA that says you agree to allow MS to access your system, add, change, or remove at their hearts content. Not on =My= machine, they're not.

I didn't realize they were doing that, Dale! Jeez. Glad I kept my machine offline. Got to start calling them "Micro-spy".

Probably a very good idea...particularly since the legality of EULA's in general are on the dubious side (since current practices force you to render next to all software purchases unreturnable before you can even see the EULA), never mind one that essentially turns over your right of privacy. That little nugget got slipped into SP-2 for XP.

Thanks for the input. I also went to e on and read through all the "fixes" of each one...not sure anything was for performance exactly and I agree with Pete.. that win2kpro IS a 'hog'.. So I may put the extra ram in first and then see how Vue feels... then I may just go for it all and put the 4.12 on... RE the service pack 3 and firewalls... got that, big time... sigh.. in this day and age one can't be too careful with things outgoing and incoming! :/ Lyne

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Ya isn't that cool how they sort of snuck that in there? See if they put it in the eula first nobody would have bought it. Problem is a firewall might not save you because chances are you have allowed port 80 for IE or you have allowed some other port. Or it has a backdoor. Take your pick.The update program is what does it but I don't know how that program runs. Like I don't know what port it runs on and it could just use winsock32.dll to get on the web and chances are everyone has that enabled. Or run dll as a app. There is so many ways. Pathetic excuse for trusted computing.Trust no one. Expecially Microstuff. After all they just extorted you and misrepresented their eula as a harmless update. Once you agree to that one your petty much finnished. if you don't install the update it will just come with some harmelss update to media player or something else vital like direct X. Time to look at Redhat I'm afraid. Well maybe that's good news. After all if you could click I do not agree and it still installed 99.9% of the people would click I do not agree. You all got to start asking yourself who's computer is this anyway? It's going to get better. You got to click on that link and see into the future. It takes a while to read but it's worth it. It might not be 100% exactly perfect after all plans come and go but this guy is pretty close.

I believe there is a way after installing the os to delete the AUTO update of windows.... can't remember where that is... I am not tech..hubby is. Lyne

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EULA By reading any of this post you agree that your computer, house and all future earnings becomes the sole property of the Mighty Pete. Thing is even then the updates are sort of vital. Like look at all the holes. You got to plug them or keep it disconnected from the web. Like Slammer / Klez and there is so many of them take your pick. They have patched the patches. What do you want to patch today? Fixing there bugs is one thing but using it to change the rules of the software licence should be illigal and it actually probably even is that way. Can't say I've ever heard of anyone ever getting taken to court for violating a EULA. It's just a bunch of FUD. There is no way in any shape or form it can be a legal document after all your 3 year old kid could have clicked the mouse when it was sitting on the I agree spot. A legal contact is agreed between two persons and needs signatures and dates and witnesses. Click threw licences are stupid FUD and if you don't think so maybe you already heard about the trojan worm going around the web with it's very own EULA. I kid you not. Some greeting card company a little while ago sent it out. http://antivirus.about.com/library/weekly/aa102402a.htm Next it will be you give up your first born child. Like enough is enough already. If you catch Micronot snooping round your computer sue them for hacking a computer system. Profit !

Heh.... That's why I use a NAT enabled hardware firewall gateway router on my cable line. And MS doesn't want you to know the Big Secret. All you need to do is back up your registry, identify all the extensions on the proggie you don't like, and do a search and key delete through the entire tree. That's why I don't have Outlook on my Win2k; I yanked the bugger out by the short and curlies, and deleted the backups in the dll cache folder. And once I do a little more digging, I'm going to do the same to the Win2k install on one of my renderboxes with IE. If that comes out cleanly, then it's bye bye virus magnet on the main system... >:)=

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Ya it comes out cleanly. IE that is. There is a utility for it, now does it work on Y2K or not is the question. It's a excellent utility. Um it don't appear to work on Y2K though. How they wrote it is even more cool they took the install file and wrote it backwards so it works perfect on Windoz 98. One way for you to check your firewall though is just double click on a web link on the desktop. If IE starts up and takes you there and the firewall does not stop it well scrap that idea. That's only one trick they could use there is 1000's of them in Y2K and XD. If you run it your part of the problem and not part of the solution. If nobody bought Y2K or XD then it simply would not exist. I still do not use IE since they wrote it into the operating system and when they stop supporting 98 well then it's redhat for me. It's my computer not their's. Companies like E-On and others if they don't support linux real soon are going to poorer and I'll have lots of cash cause I'm not going to buy any software that doesn't run on 98. If I can't get it running with wine or some other utility well then there is no use buying it in the first place. I'm just one of millions who feel that way. Time to say enough is enough and I'm not going to take it anymore.

Shane Brooks, the writer of 98lite (used it for years and love it. It also works for 98, 98SE, and WinME. And using the shell swap if you have a 95 CD lets you get rid of the active deskcrap...and a lot of crashes) is indeed busy with XPlite, which also works with 2k. At the moment, he has a functional build. What he's working on is maintaining your chosen build in spite of what a Windows service pack wants to do. He'll go beta among the users of 98lite. Anyone who uses any of the 9X OS's above 95 should take a look at 98lite if they have stability problems. Getting rid of IE, Outlook, and active desktop really stabilizes things. Even Vue is happier, as long as you don't exceed 9X's memory management capabilities...

http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ShowMessage=1181425 (minus the user id, natch...) And you might want to check this out, Pete. Penguinisto has gotten Poser to run...with Vickie 3, on Linux using WinforLin, and also successfully installed Vue and is currently testing -it's- behavior... >:)

"Even Vue is happier, as long as you don't exceed 9X's memory management capabilities..." I've been using 98 lite since it came out. That's the only poduct I use but I can't say I've ever run into the problem of windows memory management. I'm running 750 meg of memory here no problem and I'm not the only one that has that much memory runnning 98lite. Penguinisto. Ya see it's just a matter of time. You should be able to get almost anything windows running on Linux because after all the operating system isn't magic it does just very simple calls to the hardware to work. Problem is as micronot innovates there way to massive bloatware in a attemet to stop that it becomes more difficult. I don't think he'll ever figure out how to make xp lite. Even if he does it'll be one service pack away form breaking it. I think Micronot watches him now and tries to break his product just like anyone elses product who threatns them. After all they have already been found guilty of criminal intent. And not just once lots of different times with lots of different companies. doctordos Wordperfect Netscape Java Like see a trend here? How many have I missed? There is no innovation here, it's extermination.

I took my dual boot box up to 1 gig of DDR and 98lite will start to initialize, then choke and reboot. Probably a simple fix, as I can get it to start in safemode, but I haven't sat down and fought with it yet... : And yah, that's MS all over. Unfortunately for them, there's this growing realization that you =don't= have to upgrade every 6 months. And a lot haven't been.

Ya um there is a potential video problem on puters with more than 513 meg memory. i have the solution here saved. "Instant Message from rollmops: Hi Pete, here are my settings: go to the folder WINDOWSSYSTEM.INI,then to the point [vcache] and set the item MaxFileCache=512000 .Thats all! It seems to be a limitation,but the memory is fully recog- nized and usable.Before that it wasn`t possible the start Win 98 SE correctly(no graphic-card).I started to use these settings with an Athlon B 1100 ,now after an bios-update and an upgrade to an Athlon XP 1800+ it still works.My win 98 se is running for over a year now without any problems." I never had this problem rollmops had so I never used it. There is one other possible work around posted at Micronot about setting the pages that Explorer uses to 512. I never used that one also. It worked fine as is. Anyway it's a myth that Windoz will not run with more momory but then again I don't have Internet Exterminator worm installed along with it's very very long list of bugs. Like that part of win 98 might introduce some such bug with Useless Desktop feature that's built into most 98's. My point is look were we could be right here today if microdud instead of trying to innovate the competition into there operating system instead made there operating systems lean mean and fast as hell. Like windoz is only about 1 meg in size, everything else is useless bugs and bloat. Imagine how powerful and fast Y2K would be if it was under 2 megs and actually worked proplerly. You can hack windows 98 down to less than 10 megs and it will still work just fine. Mine here is about 60 megs with a few creature comforts like the better 98 task bar oh and things like Notepad and small programs like that. It flys. No BSOD's here. Oh and i insalled this version I'm using right now over 4 years ago, no upgrades, works just fine.

Thanks, Pete, that was indeed the fix! 98lite jumped up and purred at me again. :) And you don't have to tell me about how stable 98lite is. The only blue screen I've seen since I started using it is one I forced, by popping the CD tray when a game was accessing it. I've had friends over to try and crash it, and they one and all couldn't do it Just getting IE, Outlook, and active desktop scraped off of the OS stabilizes it. (reminds me of when I got cable installed. The cable techs came out, did the wall install, got a funny look because I had all the other stuff ready, sat down in my old chair to 'configure things'.....and nearly had heart failure when they couldn't find IE on my system. I probably spent close to an hour explaining 98lite to them. And they were supposed to be 'techs'. ouch....) Now to see how P5 and Vue work on it (I rather expect better that I expect, considering what resource hogs IE and the desktop are... 'active' or not). I do so love proggies that don't stick a lot of keys into the registry. Oh BTW, have you gotten that .ini file from Shane that adds that IE key back into the very top of the registry stack? It fools all that software that swears you need IE 5.5 or above into thinking it is actually there, so that it installs. Like the Saitek joystick drivers. Funny how well things that 'need' IE run perfectly well without it being there..... >:) And you're probably right about Shane not getting XPlite to the state he wants. But even so, getting rid of the virus magnets and resource hogs pretty much makes the 'service packs' unnecessary evils.