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help! at the last minute, i have discovered a flaw in the head meshes. the left eyelids are not welded together at the edges (although the cr2 tells them to be). the right eyelids work fine. see the comparison pictures above. (the right eyes are on our left.) on the right eye, top, you can see how the eyelids stay together at the edges when the upper eyelid is raised. left eye, top, same pose. right eye bottom, this is a more extreme pose, probably not one that you would use -- where the upper lid is twisted forward... you can see how it is still attatched to the lower lid. left eye bottom, this is the problem -- definitely NOT attatched. i've tried everything i can think of to fix them. different welding orders, and i even went back to the eyelid mesh and re-copied the right side to the left and plugged them back into the head, and they still wouldn't work. the thing is, if i don't ship the pre-final cd to my mac converter in a day or two, the cd won't be done til after the end of august. on the one hand, i do NOT want to wait that long. on the other hand, the thought of releasing df with such a flaw is really bothering me. so i can do one of three things: 1: ship it like this. 2: hold off and try to fix it for another month. 3: i can parent the lower lid to the upper lid, which will make them weld properly... but every time you move the upper lid, the lower lid will follow it, and you have to reposition it. any thoughts? thanks! :)

As a software developer I can confindemtly tell you that most products have a few (some have a hell of a lot) bugs in the first releases. This is the first time I have heard of this product and it looks great to me. I also admire your honesty. The third option sound fine to me. If and when you do fix the problem, you could always release the update to purchasers. Just one question, how much does this cost?

bloodsong, I'd opt for option three also. You can always release a patch or update later. I am also awaiting its release so I'd be willing to tolerate the bug. And at least you've been honest with your clients and that speaks a treasure chest of integrity. Something a few other developers could learn from.

bloodsong- What are you using to model? In Max I would weld (really weld, make 2 vertices into one at the edges) the lids to the rest, and cut them out (detach in Max) again. I long ago found out that Poser wasn't happy about the weld command unless they were originally the same vertice. I also weld everything up when I make any change that has even the most remote chance of moving an edge. Max has a tolerence setting for welding, it makes for seconds of work on what used to take hours in Ray Dream Studio.

Option 3 manowar

heyas; thanks, guys! well, i figured out the problem. somehow, some incompetant FOOL, some NINCOMPOOP had turned off the bend for the left side eyelids during testing... and never turned it back on. ARGH!!! ::banging head on keyboard... KACHUNK KACHUNK KACHUNK!!!:: er, so, anyway, it now works perfectly. whew! :) pd: i'm still finalizing the manufacturing and distributing end of things, so the final price hasn't been set. i'm trying to keep it below 100$US. cas: well, i find typical advertising and sales techniques to be somewhat lacking in ethics... so i do it my own way. all my products have a no bs page listing the flaws and any bugs. (thankfully, this is one that won't be on it! wohoo!) jim: yep, i have ray dream. and i run into the same thing you do: poser is REAL picky about two identical vertices. if they were originally one, they're fine, but if they are only pretending they're the same... somehow, poser knows. it's eerie. (and i did try welding in rdd, and of course it welded too many dumb things 'cuz the eyelids are so small... but i also tried compose's merge and join vertices. at any rate, none of that worked cuz, er, well, that wasn't the problem! ;) )

Glad you finally figured it out, bloodsong. You are going to deserve that vacation. Remember, take naps.

Congratulations on figuring it out. I would have opted for 3 as well. Looking forward to the release!

Hrrrmmm... Either will work for me... Option #3 seems the best... ermmm.. are you going to offer an option to buy it off-line.. i.e. money order and the like? I love the concept and the models as they are at the moment look great... I can hardly wait ) Wizzard

heyas; you know, option 3 isn't the one i would have gone for. having the lower lid move with the upper lid would drive me nuts. :) (so i'm glad i asked. also glad, don't need to worry about it!) wizzard, i will be using kagi payment processing services, and yes, they do checks and money orders and mail and fax orders as well as the online credit card thing. i don't believe in plastic money, so i wanted to be sure to have that option available. :)

Groovy!!! I'll start putting away some shekles each week ) Errrrmmm... as an aside.. how are they with "foriegn" monies? Maybe Renderosity, etc could start looking into them.... Kagi.... hrmmm.. maybe I'll do a search on them.. Thanks Blood... you're the bestest... Wizzard

I hope you can keep this WAY under $100... If it's less than the Zygote dragon (even if the difference is less than 5 cents), I'll buy it, otherwise I won't be able to afford it - though I do look forward to seeing what people create with the final release!

heyas; www.kagi.com; and yes, they take international orders, too. hey, they do it all! :) they take a percentage, though, so not sure if renderosity store could use them; i thought that was set up so they take payments directly themselves and save the overhead there.

Blood, From what I've read so far... they are using third party.. and a lot of oe'erseas people cannot purchase through them... Then again.. I thought the major creditcards did the conversions automatically? Shows how long it's been since I had one ne? ) Cheers, Wizzard

heyas; i dunno. i've never had a credit card at all. :) did you mention kagi at the store or community forums? if not, i'll have to wander over there.

Nay.. just the suggestion for snail-mail payments.... shrug CHeers, Wizzard

heyas; okay, newsflash... the reptile heads (hi and lo res) refuse to work although they have the same eyelids and settings as the rest of 'em. there's no way to fix this now (in fact, i'm not sure what's wrong TO fix it), so the cd will ship as is. if i get a fix later, it will be posted for download at the dragon factory site. i'll make the alternately parented eyelids for you guys for that one.