As of today, 3 November 2003, Gallery uploads are limited to one image per day. This change to the uploading policy is being made to ease the load on our Gallery database.

We realize that some members may require more uploads than that. To that end, we now have available, in My Services, Gallery Plus. Gallery Plus is the new option that extends your Gallery posting capabilities to three images per day.

Thanks to everyone for their contributions to our Galleries and our community!

You're a brave soul.

Onward and upward, tally ho, etc.

hope it works out.

I struggle to load one image per month...

Bloody 'Ell!! Oh wait a minute, ..., Nope! I'm with Martin there! :) Limited to one a day? My goodness, what will I do? Write sarcastic postings while wracking my brain about what to render next month, that's what.

I can live with that and can understand the reason for it.

One a day eh...Ok if ya say soooo :)

Fine with me, since this is a mimimal request without going "fulltime pay for services" approach. Rosity has been a blessing to me..limited as I am in graphics and much to learn in photog stuff. I have spent more for much less. One per day might even improve content..not a compaint on content.. Suggestion: To be able to load to "member gallery" without posting on "what's new"? Does anyone have a thought on that? God Bless. TomDart.

One a month? For some of us, we're lucky to make one piece of art a year! If this cuts down on the product promos and test renders so that people are a bit more thoughtful about what they are uploading, it is a great change for the positive. Carolly

Just like PoserPros - it works for them, it'll work for you!

AMEN!!!

The Rendrosity community is made up of members who have a passion for helping others learn - share and grow in 2D/3D art -The participation and interaction among members has slowly built a family and a place known as a "home" - There are 159,000 active members - 8000 new members per month and 57 forums - These words are from Rend. Mission statement info - It is true about the communities evolution - I have experienced this - Art is the common denominator for this - 57 forums for expression - No forum is without it merits and faults - I am sad to see Artists being judgemental about forums in which they do not participate - This serves no meaningful perpose - As a objective observation on the limit issue - it would appear at first glance a contradiction to the Renderosity community - as Art is the medium of expression and communication and a additional limit on art is to put a limit on the communities abitity to share and grow - The reason that has been given is to ease the load on the gallery data base - However for $60 a year/per artist the load on the data base would be eased and all would return to as it had been ! - You may draw your own conclusion - Some have for thier own reasons stated that they could not manage enough work to post even 1 work a day - Therefore it would seem this sould be a mute issue to them - I expect most understand that some forms require more attention in some areas than others - For example a photo does not take as long as hand painting of the same object - But that does not mean it is lesser in artistic value - For me I fear this may be a negative direction for this site - I am open for input and will be the first to admit I am frequently wrong - I hope that is the case here - Thank You and take care -

In Regard to SoulEatar, you definitely have some great points...But the limit, in my opinion, in a nutshell, might tone down the hiney~kiss game and the sheer load of stuff that does need some more work. Specifically, you mentioned about artists helping eachother. I think we both know, as do many others that most constructive criticism is met with anger and is taken way too personal, even by the other viewers of a piece. So, we don't really help, in that regard, for fear of retaliation or god forbid comments deleted, so, it's a double edged sword. Artists should be able to post in freedom whatever they want, but bringing a work into the public eye requires a sometimes thick skin, since the basis of art is expression and instilling emotion in others thru that expression. You must be mature enough to handle that someone might not slap a bunch of SWAK stickers on yer booty. Unfortunately, most people do not have this maturity. Any assistance, i.e. constructive criticism, can be sent via email, instant messaging, etc. Mega postings on the 'what's new' gallery only serve to inflate the ego's of people who probably need the most help, artistically. And since the mega posters are only going to get a ton of "wow, great work hon..." for fear of the aforementioned retaliation, it only serves to dillute the gallery as a whole. A gallery after all, kind of assumes maybe possibly some sort of final render, etc. The forums are the place to post something in work and get immediate input, and I don't think the 1 a day applies to that. If it does, that might actually be an issue, but with $, as always, you get more. Anyway, don't take me personally, cuz I don't know you. I talk to inspire creativity, thinking, and artistic freedom. To the renderosity staff, my thumbs up and my thanks for nifty place.

jeeze they cut back FREE uploads to 1 and make what used to be free paid service bad form Renderosity truly bad form

Here is a scary thought... What if every account was entitled to 3 upload tokens a week, less than 1 a day, but with rollover ability, up to a limit of 10 utilizations per day.(to facilitate photograph artists with a need to post a series of images). Playing in someone else's sandbox is always tricky, the rules can and most likely will change as the sandbox grows. We are not dinosaurs, we are human, we can adapt. But as always, free to express our thoughts and feelings...

I don't see anything really wrong with this limit. In some ways Renderosity has become a victim of its own success on the technical side, so it is having to adapt in order to help itself survive. And maybe it'll encourage people to be a bit less "trigger happy" with posting pretty much anything just because they can (been guilty of that myself now and then) and concentrate on working on their own artistic development. Is one image a day really so bad? And about constructive criticism, yeah, it's a pretty shit state of affairs when people take things personally... good grief I mean one of the prime functions of this place is to help us all evolve, and how can we do that when people are just telling us how awesome we are all the time, no matter what we post? Result? We sit on our laurels. And that's a shame. Sure, we tend to invest a deep emotional attachment in our work, but provided criticism is given the right way it should be seen as help not an insult. I mean, we're supposed to be adults aren't we? ;-)

I guess I don't have a problem with the limit in itself, but it would be nice to receive the error immediately upon pressing the Upload button, rather than after selecting your images, typing in all your notes/story/credits, selecting options, etc and pressing Save. I don't frequent the forums much, so the first I heard of this new rule was tonight after I tried to upload an image. All my text...lost! cries

It appears most are OK with this - For me Our commuity is #1 - as long we can maintain status quo - It works for me - I feel all our lives have been touched by our experiences here and by maintaining a validity - In the eyes of the world we have a oppertunity to be recognized as a significant presence in the world of Art - I may be a dreamer to some - But dreams do come true - I wish the best to you all !

I'll second that ;-)

The culture of Renderosity is not like most art sites out there. Most sites are completely targetted toward professional art and those with that goal exclusively, and thus, the critiques are plenty harsh for artwork, usually made by pro artists, accomplished in their field. If your goal is to become such an artist, then these sites would probably better cater to your yearning for such critique. There is no rule that you have to only post to Rosity. When the culture is designed as such, then yes, posting is an assumption of such critique.

People then assume because Rosity heralds itself as an Art Community that such an assumption is valid here, but the culture is different here. The site has become so popular because it gives artists the freedom to express their emotions through their art, whether they are technically proficient or not. That puts their hearts much closer to the canvas than other sites do. I find the gallery here to be far more expressive than any professional site (like CGTalk) and the culture favors the people behind the art, rather than just the art. I don't see anything wrong with that. One can play and create without fear of being drawn and quartered for their noncompliance to the Rule of 3. Often pieces here represent a person's darkest moments or pain, such as was during 9/11. The last thing someone wants during those times is more negative things about their art, themselves (no matter how it's packaged). When you are in such condition, and I've seen the most mature people go through this, any such comment can sting like having a knife plunged into you. Of course, for the commenter, it was a just a straight forward comment like the rest, but to recipient, depending on their mood in real life, it can hurt. Also not every artwork is meant to be a masterpiece, but might just be some fun with friends. The culture again supports this, so the expectations are that they shouldn't be torn apart.

If people want critique, and on many pictures they do, then there are avenues for that. Put a request in the picture or post it in the forum with an ask for help. It should never be assumed that people want critique for simply posting, at least IMO, especially without knowing what reason they posted for.

This shouldn't be taken as whether people want to improve or not, because I think all in all most do, but one of the reasons critiques are even seen in a bad light is because the critique is often without substance to improve. I've gotten stuff like, "I don't like the water." "Or that would look better over there." These are subjective specifics about a single picture. More helpful would be, "The water is cool, but here is a some great techniques for painting water if you are interested [link]." On most sites, pro artists often provide tips rather than what they don't like. It is of no value to know something is wrong and not know how to fix it. In fact, it's frustrating.

I hope this doesn't offend people. I seem to have a knack for rubbing people the wrong way with everything I post, but it is my thoughts on the matter of critiques and why Rosity culture is as it is.

ShadowWind

Course Trolls are a whole 'nother story...

First, let's be honest about critiqueing, it's the easiest thing in the world to do. The basis: to observe and communicate imperfections, and since life is a most imperfect thing, exhausting things to critique will never happen. We must also note the difference between critiqueing and the opinion of the viewer (without substance to improve), very different creatures indeed, often confused by the 'knife plunged into you'. If an artist so fragile, need subject the world at large to something so personal, maybe eliminating the ability to comment would be a safe 'prophylactic' route, so that no one gets hurt. Since this may not be a 'pro' art site, we should get rid of voting and ratings, so that everyone is the same, so that no one accidentally says something that hurts another person( or doesn't shine their hindquarters), or just change all the ratings to excellent and add a line of code so that anyone viewing the image auto-votes for it. If we concerned at all about hurting another person's feelings, what about the artist who takes hours and hours to do a single work thats left behind in the dark because that artist does not spend those hours shmoozing. And that artist wonders what they did wrong, why doesn't anyone like their work? That artist is being left out, where is your rampant sympathy now? Then the shmoozers don't credit Royo in their exact replica of one of his pieces, and they go to the top 20? And then someone like me comes along and says, 'that's kinda messed up', and so I sit back down and place asskiss tape on my mouth? No, nuh uh baby. Suddenly they credit their source and my comment is deleted. Weird...It is not so easy as 'if ya can't say sumpin nice, hon pigsnort...' Life is way too dynamic and this arena is now far too large for anything of that nature. "It should never be assumed that people want critique for simply posting" This seems insane to me, especially when you have to manually check the box to turn comments on. Art is two things, expression for the artist thru a medium and the effect it has on another person. When you expose a piece of art to the public, it ceases to be yours and now belongs to the society in which it dwells. We cannot discount a person's right to be affected by a piece of art. Censorship in any regard(artist or viewer) is the first sign that the freedom you think you had was an illusion from the get go, and which is worse? A lack of freedom or living under the illusion of freedom? There is no person more pro freedom than me, and it extends beyond the safety net that most people have. I am an extremist of neutrality and one of those people who usually slips thru the cracks, but we are here once and once only, and I intend to live freely and speak my mind... If you get offended, your life is not nearly hard enough... G~

What a debate this is turning out to be! sits back from a safe distance to watch the sparks

Whether you think my vision of the culture is accurate or not, or whether it relates to you is your perogative. I am merely stating things how I see them from my persepctive. Maybe I'm idealistic, but I do think there are other reasons why people post their work that has nothing to do with wanting it critiqued. I've seen so many artists go on to getting better and better, not because people pointed out every flaw in every picture, but because they gave them some encouragement and some tips to send them in the right direction. I love that line, "If you get offended, then your life isn't hard enough." You have no idea how hard someone's life is beyond the screen. A little respect for the person behind the art goes along way. Is it the way fo the art world? Probably not, but it is the way of a community where everybody knows everyone.

No one is trying to censor you. I love how that spectre is thrown around so freely. I honestly don't care if you go out and critique every picture, say what you want, but you can't be surprised if people aren't thankful and impressed that you've shined such wisdom on them. People deal with others in different ways. It's what makes us different.

I am usually very careful about the wording when I do make a suggestion, and often do so in private, not because I'm fearing retaliation but because I do respect the people. Comments stick around, no matter how you change the image, which can make the poster look kinda insane if they update the picture and the comment about a fixed flaw remains. Comments are the equivalent of a guy standing around a piece all day, telling everyone that looked, "Hey, there is a shadow out of place right there." "Er, where?"

As to the hot20 and the schmoozers and all as you call them, I'm not going to get sucked into that debate. It's all been argued before. I do feel bad when talented artists get buried, as do many members. I always try to see new artists and tell people about them. I extend my hand to them. I've always fought for a random showcase gallery rather than the hot20 which would give a fairer shake to a wider range of artists so that talented people don't get buried. However, in the end, those that contribute to the community in some way, are the ones that are going to get recognized. It's the way things are in any community, why should Rosity be different?

ShadowWind

You could probably point out the typos there. Eyes aren't what they used to be...

frown I became a member of this online society just as the name was changing from Poser Forum to Renderosity. Some people from that time period are still hanging out here. I've been more a less a lurker for the last year and half due to deaths and the family and the legaalities that follow that. But I've been getting back into Poser art and working at it again. I'm really not happy about this suddenly 'nifty' idea of one post per day and paying for used to be the norm for posting for several years. It's already in effect so there's not much my comment will do except to say, I'm just not wild about it. Liz Pope Dreamspinner

Let's get abstract...evil grin Society There are certain stars in the night sky that I notice more than others. That I do see the entirety of this sky and discount most of the black as void and meaningless is equate with my views of sociology and examples thereof, no matter how necessary that void is. The Masses & Nature When the forest makes too many rabbits; the coyote, the owl, the cougar and the fox are well within the warm grins of full bellies. That there is extra to pad when there might not be. The natural world is not polite, and we as humankind, have taken ourselves away from nature in many respects. But we have not the maturity to create humanity in the best interest of ourselves (for the growth of society, we usually end up burning philosophers who could make it better @ the stake or make em drink some poison), so we mirror from whence we came. Some of us are sheep, some of us are black sheep, others scared rabbits that get mercillessly slain by the wise owl...none of us are wrong and all of us are correct for acting out our own lil drama... Communication Two men sit at a table, in a willing discussion on god. "We must, you and I, agree that we will walk away when we are finished, still within our belief and that the other will as well, walk away with his god...This is a discussion of understanding, not conversion. That I can understand your view of god and nothing more, that I become a broader minded individual..." Tools of the Trade Before this point in time, those of artistry had to expend both time, effort and wealth to attain the tools to even attempt art. From the recent point forward, we also expend time, effort and wealth on the digital tools to ply our trade/hobby/therapy/community/etc...But before this, the artist had to be slightly sure of him/herself, to spoil this fine sheet of vellum on fell calligraphy would be a travesty, a travesty most sad. But now, we only lose moments, rendering, rerendering. The risks of screwing up are so much less now, and we are assured of getting praise and that our psyche might not be able to handle any non-praise that we shatter like so much cheap glass only stirs the ingredients in the pot of crappy attempts loosely called art. And like any group of more than one ape, what do we do, we clan and clique, "HO, that any would dare say anything contrary to mine word or art, and they be stricken from world and sent by the angel Woe to a place that we do not name for I have 'friends' and Lo! they have posted more crap I must comment on, for they are weak minded and timid hearted and...I just posted a new piece and need some in return...." white noise

Many reading this thread might indeed be close to deeming me and my opinions evil or callous or whatever. That's great, you know why? Because you have an opinion, and whether you wanted to or not, you've kind of thought about this situation, and that my friends was the whole point. I don't perceive myself as evil in the least, amoral yeah ;-), but not evil. Good and evil are the colours a child sees the world in, I am an adult and there are so many more colours in this wonderful universe. Truth & freedom Gossamyr

Lets face it, eventually the powers that be on this Gallery are going to have start dropping images from members galleries, especially if the rate of growth continues. After all the servers they use cannot be infinitely large... I'm surprised at how much data they must already hold, if you think about how much space in Mb the average ISP will allow you.

Actually I don't think the sheer amount of data being stored is the REAL issue here. More xxxGB hard drives can be added to the stack and this is happening already when 'Rosity goes into downtime; the capacity is being expanded. Okay we're not talking infinity but how long is a piece of string? What definitely ISN'T infinite is bandwidth. The number of members is growing by the day, and the issue will simply be: how many people are trying to access Renderosity at any given point? The internet is an exchange of information, and every individual who is either uploading OR downloading will be adding to the strain borne by 'Rosity's servers. Sure, the two aspects are not wholly unrelated, and yes, two more images uploaded per day does constitute some more drive access. But in the scheme of things this just won't compare with the sheer numbers who all contribute to the strain just by going about their business surfing the galleries. So, to allude to nature once more, the issue is one of overpopulation, not so much about what each person does with their acre of land (after all, many people here are members simply to surf and comment, without posting any works of their own). Think of 'Rosity as being a building, and any surfing members being inside that building: you can only fit so many people into any one building before it's so jam-packed no one can move and everything grinds to a halt. The issue must be one of actively exchanged or "moving" data - bandwidth usage - not saved data. Not that I'm an expert or anything LOL but that's what springs to mind... I'm just not convinced that limiting uploads to one a day is gonna make a whole world of difference to the smooth (or otherwise) running of the site ;-D

The Gallery Plus service appears to be overly expensive. The cost is $65 dollars a year, which would buy about 50Gb (probably more - I'm using prices that are at least a year old) of storage. Since image size is limited to .5Mb, the most you could do at 1.5Mb a day for 365 days would be 0.5Gb, not counting thumbnails. Quite a price differential there - so what are we paying for?

Good point ;-)

Awwwww!!!! Come on Man!!! Database is as big as you want to pay for!!!!!! As an-ex IT Project Manager, I think that you are talkin' Bull****!!!! Spend some of those Marketplace Profits and build memory/speed it is available!!!.....Maybe then we can post more than 1 image per Day!!!! I havn't been rationed in the UK since the end of World War II. See Yer!!!! Alan.

I haven't posted many gallery images for months. The forum(s) have had more appeal. Now there is even less incentive to post art in the galleries.

ron, IIRC people who have been banned aren't supposed to sneak back in under a clone account & post to the galleries so a limit on images per day shouldn't be a problem for you :-)

Software vendor must make money I agree. But remember " buyer beware ". Sometime what they say it is ........... NOT. What look like to be to good to be true is probably false. Software programmer and dev. should have to sit with their work in a corner for at least a year before the release. That is all folks

Here's an idea: Posted images that get under a certain number of comments or score, are removed after a fortnight from the gallery. That would encourage folks to make more effort with their work and weed out substandard work.

Popularity does not not equal worth. Arbitrary deletion of images because they don't garner rating or comments would definitely reduce incentive to post. I'm pretty sure, given its cost structure, "Gallery Plus" is not intended to subsidise storage costs. It seems more likely that its intent is to help with on going operational costs.

'Popularity does not not equal worth'. True, how true...