This morning I was told that we're now limited to one gallery upload a day. I find this a good idea, but I'm wondering why I hadn't heard about it until today. Was it posted somewhere and I missed it or what? I did go to the forum news forum this afternoon and one person responded to my question. I did a search in that forum and sure enough, towards the end of October there was a post about it. My second question to that forum was why wasn't it posted on the front page? As of yet, nobody has responded to that question. Is this just a new rule and we're not supposed to know about it until we try to post our second image of the day?

It was posted before in the Poser forum. I think it was right before the site went into the dumpster for a few days. I remember reading the post and a lot of people ranting about it, but I think it's a good idea too. It is also stated in the gallery upload section.

I think it's a really stupid idea and removed all my art from R'osity's gallery. I suggest people just post there work here where there is NO limit.

"It is also stated in the gallery upload section." Ah, so it is. I'm so used to going directly down to the upload box that I didn't read the new text. Thanks for your response sandoppe. :-)

I wonder what that would cost a month in bandwidth? Seems that if we keep the prices down elsewhere maybe we'll get a break in the store. Of course I'm one of those that doesn't go to the galleries so it doesn't affect me the way that it does others here. Marque

It doesn't seem an unreasonable request, especially with the numbers of people who frequent this site. Posting in the forum would circumvent the rule, but most certainly would result in some sort of unpleasant response. Not sure if we'll benefit directly from any sort of price break, but we may all benefit by having a site that runs a bit faster. And maybe there will be some benefits for merchants as well, that in turn will benefit all of us. For those who are able to create more than one image a day, there are other places to post them (Poser Pros, DAZ, DNA, Sixus, etc.).....or maybe in the gallery on their own site.

Those who find this policy to be stupid or otherwise offensive should consider a few things. For one, Web hosting and associated maintenance isn't free, and for a site of this enormity, can't be all that inexpensive. We don't pay for the "right" to post to the Renderosity galleries (unless you choose to do so in order per the new policy, in which case your limits are lifted.) Not all members shop in the Marketplace, so who's footing the bills? Those of us who do shop here, presumably. Allegedly, MP sales are down, probably in part due to the poor economy in the USA, perhaps also because of overall market saturation. (How many times do you need to buy fairy wings or bikinis for Victoria?) Also, why do people feel the need to post more than one image a day? It seems likely that you'll receive more hits and comments if you space your postings out more than that. Furthermore, is every single thing that one does worthy of posting here? I'd like to think that the limits might encourage people to think about what they post, and post only what they deem to be their proudest or most visually interesting efforts. (I admit to some hypocrisy in that, sometimes I'll post a quickie pinup render knowing full well that I'll take it down in a month or two, but there's NO WAY that I could crank out three fab renders in one day. If I did, I'd take three days to post them, no biggie.) Most of the objections I've seen to this new policy cite some perceived pattern of site deterioration. Well, fine, but to my mind this site is still an exceptional resource, especially considering that you don't have to pay to be a member. The decision appears to have been a matter of management or budget and technical resources. What alternatives are there...just keep letting Rosity lose money until it dies? Overtax the servers until they die? There have been a few discussions about this for some time, mostly in the Forum News forum. The majority of opinions expressed have been in favor of the new policy. The dissenting voices haven't given solid reasons about why this is so awful, other than to make vague claims about how the site has deteriorated, has become greedy, whatever. If the policy offends you, you might try building your own Web gallery. The only limits will be the bandwidth that you pay for (or get for free, if you use something like GeoCities.) You can post the URL on your Artist's Page here, or even in your postings and online signatures. Limiting one's binary uploads to public areas is an issue throughout cyberspace for real-world reasons. It's simple netiquitte. I'm not trying to shoot anyone's opinions down here, I just haven't seen objections that make much sense, yet. By all means, post 'em if you disagree with me.

There's been many long discussions about how limiting the number of postings also makes sense to lower the traffic on the galleries, and so give individual artists a chance to be viewed instead of being buried under a flood of graphics...it is especially disturbing to be buried when it is essentially the same graphic being posted three times while the artist tries to determine which he or she thinks looks best (that's something that should be decided before posting, methinks). It is very unlikely that most people can create 21 wonderful graphics per week, week after week, that are worth posting. A limit of 7 per week (or one per day) is hardly a severe limitation, or 365 a year, seems reasonable. I didn't always agree, but now that it takes me several days to do one graphic (I slow down the longer I work on Poser), I see that taking time with a graphic is really worth it. Why the rush to post? It's not as if we are trying to meet a deadline. And you can always do seven graphics over the weekend, and then just post every 24 hours. I'm not sure why that's such a big deal. For the rest, I tend to agree with xoconostle on many points...this is a service mostly free to us (except for those of us who pay for file space or the right to post additional graphics) so following a few restrictions doesn't seem so terrible to me. But that's just me.

Dean, Those are some very good points and I don't have any problem with the one post per day limit. As long as it takes to do one of my sitll life images...one image a month would be fine by me...LOL. I just can't undersatand how people can post more than one image day in and day out unless they don't have to work and using Poser is all they do all day.

Of course since I only post a new pic every couple or three months, all of this doesn't affect me...but my 2-cents worth anyway. I am getting to where I would rather post my stuff on the smaller and newer sites that are appearing, fewer folks get an opportunity to view them...but the ratio of useful comments to views is usually higher. I say 'useful' because the comments are more likely to contain constructive tips, and those are the comments I like. Spare me the "Wows", "beautifuls", and "ughs"...these are the words I use in Wal Mart's parking lot during the summer short wearing season!

They mentioned having to do this about a month ago. People had been dumping so many quickies here that the cumulative effect of having to host 90,000 artists meant they were coming in at about 1-2 per second. When you get that much stuff, nobody is going to have time to look at it, no matter how good some of them are. Like going to the Louvre and having to look at 100,000 Mona Lisas - it ain't much fun.

While Renderosity facilitators are coming up with rules, I'd like to suggest another one that requires forum posters to clearly state the topic on which they are posting. Doing so is a courtesy through which you enable surfers to clearly hone in on the topics that are of interest, or to which they can offer a wise response. I get annoyed by subject headings like "I need help..." or "A dumb question from a newby..." Admittedly a peevish comment--I'll retire to my darkened corner now until I find something else to grumble about... And another thing...I wholeheartedly support the limits on posting images, and I think it's meanspirited to suggest that we simply post our work in the forum. Just because Renderosity is a free service, doesn't mean we have to stuff ourself like we're at an "all you can eat" banquet. Remember, SOMEBODY is paying for bandwidth. Respect the gifts this web-site provides.

Well, if people don't post an informative subject heading, one answer is to help them along by responding with one that might be a little better. The subject heading isn't cemented in place...it can be changed as you respond. :) Just a thought.

On the plus side, it now takes me much less time to browse through a day's worth of gallery postings. And I look at everything, not just the Poser gallery.

I'm awed that you look at everything....but then I'm impressed by how much you remember. Which gives us a chance to ask...is the quality of the graphics any better, any worse, or just the same as before the limitations? Not just speed of posting...but are people being any more careful about what they are posting? Or is it too soon to tell?

Still, setting an example, while subtle, does not always do the trick. There's good and bad web etiquette. Posting unlimited images just because you can is bad. Posting in the forum and not clearly stating the subject of your discourse is...well, if not bad, naive. Dialyn, I am glad that there are kind people around here like you. You can offset the direct people such as myself, whose intent is not to offend, but merely to get to the point, though I may occassionally come across as an arrogant a-hole (forgive me in advance when I do). Life is short.

Look, I don't know about any one else... but I never poseted an image a day. I would save up for weeks and maybe months... then post a set of images I liked. That's been taken away from me by an arbitrary decision. Like it or not, the Gallery is a draw to new people. When I choose to share my work here it is R'osity and other members who benefit from my art. Not me. Personal Web space is cheap enough that I can put up my own gallery without worrying about Rosity or not. To decide the value of my art is so little that my expression can be limited, is a real slap in the face to me. It's like attempting to regulate inspiration. I understand the need for limits ont he Gallery. Hell, I agree with need for limits. But the one a day rule could have been 7 a week, or 30 a month, or even a collective 365 a year. It would have the same effect of making people think before they post and it would not show disrespect to artists. Or... you could have offered people a choice what uploading method they wanted. One a Day for every day of the year. 20 a month, or 180 per year. I would have selected 180 a year and been quite happy. But anyone who doesn't do a Naked Vicky in a Temple a Day isn't part of the Rosity Cult of personality, so our opinions don't matter. If you are SO concerneed about bandwidth that my work is no longer of value to you and to this community, fine. We'll see what your gallery looks look when the people who don't fit your mold simply leave. I'll HELP you save you precious bandwidth by removing all my gallery art. Now you have pleanty of bandwidth for the "picture a day" crowd. What you loose is my unique and painstakingly thought out series of pictures. Quite frankly this has been discussed to death, and it's obvious that nothing said here or anywhere else will change R'osity's regulations, or my disgust with them. I have already deleted and moved on. But please don't try and spew propaganda at me that this is OK and that I should feel wrong for not liking it. If there is one thing you can do to really piss off any artist, it's take away his choices. Simular results could have been achived without such Draconian measures, but I was never given a choice.

I merely meant that I browse all the galleries, not that I look at every image. I enjoy 2D art, for instance, as much as rendered 3D images, and I don't care which software was used. I only view those images that attract my interest, through clever use of thumbnails or titles, or those by artists whose visual styles I already enjoy. The quality of the postings doesn't seem to have changed, but I'm not really one to judge.

Ratteler I don't think what you're suggesting now is unreasonable (in terms of the options). Your first post stated: "I think it's a really stupid idea and removed all my art from R'osity's gallery. I suggest people just post there work here where there is NO limit." That is clearly quite a different position than what you offered in post 17. The only problem is that it may be too difficult to manage the tracking of a large variety of options. Having two options of 1 per day or 7 per week might work though and would seem to address your concerns. BTW: I don't do "Naked Vickies in Temples"....or anyplace else, for that matter :)

"10. Re: An unpopular subject? by mondoxjake on 11/17/03 21:32

I say 'useful' because the comments are more likely to contain constructive tips, and those are the comments I like. Spare me the "Wows", "beautifuls", and "ughs"...these are the words I use in Wal Mart's parking lot during the summer short wearing season!"

Okay, I'm new, or fairly new here, and something I've noticed that really bothers me is just what Mondoxjake hinted at. Why even have suggestions? From what I've seen, all people do is post the "Great job", "Terrific", "Beautiful!!". Well, frankly, I've seen those types of comments and "excellent" ratings on pieces that really suck. I don't mean to be harsh or crude, but when I see something that is clearly NOT excellent being rated as such, it makes me think WTF? So, when I get those same comments, it means nothing to me because it's just talk.

Like, there is an artist who does awesome work, but lately their images haven't been quite up to what they did in the past, yet, everyone still fawns over their pieces like they are the pure form of perfection.

I don't know, perhaps I am a bit more realistic with my expectations or something, but when I posted "Stasia", I was actually looking forward to the constructive criticism of how I can improve my image, develop my skills. I mean, the comments I did receive are nice to see, but most ring hollow...not all, but most. shrug

Ratteler, nobody has tried to make you feel badly about your opinion, nor has anyone in this thread spewed propaganda, only differing opinions. Maybe we are indeed deprived as a result of your decision to delete your gallery in protest, but it was your decision. The new policy was definitely not arbitrary. You might want to check the ageing threads on the issue in the Forum News section. There are several good responses from the staff about it. IMHO there's no need to take the policy change so personally. Sorry if this is picking nits, but the implication that people who regularly do NVITWAS renders have more influence makes no sense to me. If that were the case, then why are such renders regularly mocked as clich by this forum's participants? Did the NVITWAS crowd band together and demand new upload limits? Of course not. Ah well, what's done is done, and by some miracle of providence, we still have our freedom of expression intact (within TOS, of course. But that's not new.) Thankfully, we also have the right to offer our varying differing, overlapping, contrasting opionions, in spite of how others may perceive or (mis)characterize them.

OMG OMG OMG OMG How about putting a limit of one OMG comment per Post.

Opinions vary for sure. I greatly welcome the new rule; I'm tired of people swamping the gallery with multiple images. In fact, any sort of swamping is unmannerly. It doesn't matter if you didn't post anything for the last month, if you post a huge bunch at once it buries the poor guy just before you. I'm also in total agreement with Pookah69 about titles for threads. If you can't be bothered to give a more meaningful title than "Please read this" it suggests you hold your audience in contempt.

so when are we going to be limited to one post in the forums a day? oops that's me done for today

Ratteler, I agree with you 100%. Though I'm leaving some pics here, since it's come to my attention that there's some distrust of people who post here but don't have galleries. Mondoxjake, LOL! I usually disable ratings, because they're pretty useless. You have a good suggestion about posting art to smaller sites. That's probably a good idea for people who are concerned about being buried in the crush. Even if Rosity limited artists to one a week, you'd probably still be quickly buried in the Poser gallery here. Me, I wish there was a way to upload through the back door, so to speak. I don't particularly care if random strangers see my art or not, and if other artists don't want to be "buried," then I'd be perfectly happy to upload to my gallery without my images appearing in the "what's new" section. And I have gotten some constructive criticism on my art. The Vue gallery seems to be better at that than the Poser gallery, but I've gotten constructive criticism in the Poser gallery, too. Maybe I'm in more obvious need of improvement than you. :-) I think it helps if you respond any criticism, either by replying to the comments or my posting a new version of the image. I think it also helps if you post constructive criticism yourself, to other artists' work; that way, people assume you can take it.

I used to have a fully stocked gallery but I trimmed it down to 1 pic which stays for reasons I won't go into here. Anyone who wants to distrust me cause my gallery is empty needs to seek professional help soon. Having an empty gallery doesn't automatically make a person a troll.

Lots of people feel a strong sense of entitlement around here. I pass people on the street every day, who don't have a pot to piss in let alone a warm home with a computer they can sit in front of. People want lots of everything, and when it's free they want even more of it. Less whining and more gratitude...we've got lots to be grateful for, and should express that gratitude to the folks who keep this site up and running.

They aren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. They're doing it in order to make money. They're making said money off us. They've made a lot of money off of me. Therefore, I reserve the right to whine. :-)

I'd love you to provide the names of people who are getting rich off of Renderosity. "A lot of money" is a relative term. Finally, I spend my money gladly on things that I think are worthwhile. I begrudge nobody who gains from my purchase of something I wanted to own. Now when I buy a piece of crap (as in that rare moment when I was hypnotized by a late-night tv ad)....THAT gives me something to whine about.

I'll just say - I wasn't referring to any of the merchants. Obviously, they aren't to blame for Rosity's policy's.

I don't mind the one pic a day rule. I don't mind the "Help pls" posts (I post some too, maybe not titled the same but...) You know, those "Help pls" posts would be a lot less if the forums could be searched easier. If they were more managable. Bandwidth could go down a LOT if you were just able to skip pages. I posted it in the community forum thing... I'll repeat it. Extreme (or maybe not) scenario. 10 forums, 40 users each, want to look at last months posts which are 60 pages down. Currently, for those 400 users to get to the 60'th page would cause Renderosity to serve up 24,000 individual pages. Instead of 400 if the forums were able to be searched by Date, or maybe page. If only one forum has 40 users trying to get to page 60... you are STILL talking about 2,400 page loads instead of 40. Maybe 80 if someone hits one twice. Now think about that. 24,000 vs 400, maybe 800 in that process if one lands on different pages in the middle, say you can only skip 30 pages at a time. What do you think that does to bandwidth? That is nuts, if you ask me. Which ya didn't... So I'll shuddup :) Silke

Randy, I'm sorry, but how are they making money off of you? As far as I can see, Renderosity gets a share of the merchant sales and then their pay services, the e-mail accounts, locker space, extra gallery uploads. Where are they getting a lot of money from you?

You know, they could have banner ads, pop-ups, all kinds of annoying advertising if they needed the money that bad. They don't. Have you ever priced servers? Have you the skill to host a site with your own servers, a site the size of Renderosity? It takes money. I've seen a good number of awesome sites go down because they simply cannot afford it any longer.

If the policies the web site owners decide to bring into effect bother you, the simple solution would be to just not go back to the site. shrug You can take down your gallery, stop posting in the forums, do your shopping elsewhere. But lets be honest, do you really think a few dozen people getting pissed and leaving is going to make a difference to Renderosity? I don't, especially when they have more people signing up everyday to post their work in the galleries, sell their merchandise, etc.

I apologize if I have offended you or anyone else, but I think Renderosity has the right to do whatever they feel like doing, it is their site, they make the rules, and it they want to profit from it, more power to them. Those who don't like it can choose to no longer visit. It's just that simple.

goes back to lurking

They're getting 50% of the everything I spend in the MP. That's a heck of a lot more than a lot more than the average "free" Internet site gets. My point is that Renderosity isn't a gift given to us out of the milk of human kindness. It shouldn't be above any criticism - a gift horse that musn't be looked at in the mouth. It's a business that is dependent on us, the users, for its very existence. Yes, even those of us who don't buy anything. Because we all contribute. Even if not money, we contribute content that draws paying customers here - art to the galleries, advice here in the forum, items to Free Stuff, products to the MP, etc. And we all have a right to comment - positive and negative.

Simular results could have been achived without such Draconian measures Oh puh-leeze. Jesus H, people -- you'd think the world was being denied your exquisite pieces of perfect art. Get over yourselves, huh? One a day is perfectly reasonable. If you don't like it, then go out there and put together your own little online gallery someplace else so the world will come flocking to see it and stand in awe. Good God, the egos are massively out in force today.

Randy, yes, it is a business. And as a business, they need to make money to, at the very least, keep the business open. No, they most likely didn't start this site out of the "milk of human kindness", but they still, for the most part, keep things free for us, the users, when they really don't have to.

Maybe I've missed it, but I don't see where anyone says you can't comment or voice your opinion. =) You have some valid points. I'm only trying to get you to see it from Renderosity's point of view. Times change, costs of running the site go up, servers don't last forever, more people are signing up and/or visiting straining the site even more. Something has to give somewhere.

Look at it this way, which would you rather have, a site where you can upload your 3 images a day but runs slow as hell and crashes all the time -or- a site where you can upload one image a day, but is fast and reliable? I don't know about you, but I like to have web sites fast and reliable.

Good point Silke. The search engines leave a lot to be desired. The search engine should be capable of booleans, you should be able to specify individual or multiple forums, search message headers or message body or both. I'm under the impression that improving the search engine is on the list...just not sure when it will be started.

I don't mind the "Help pls" posts either. I don't see them as rude or discourteous nor do I see it as a problem. I'll generally read them and offer some help if I can. If it's someone new and you can think of a more appropriate title, help them out by changing the title in your response to the post.

Want to take your gallery and leave because the number of posts has been limited to 1 per day? Fine...see ya...don't let the door hit you in the backside on your way out. Cut your nose off to spite your face if you want. I find these "I'm taking my ball and going home" actions boring and droll. If you really feel a need to test how "valuable" you are to the community...stop posting, remove your gallery without a whisper, and see how many members IM or Email you to find out why you did that.

If you want to do something to effect change...start an email campaign to Tammy with a constructive and rational approach to the issue. If enough members write, they might pay more attention...and if they don't...well at least you can say you made an "adult" attempt at letting your feelings be known and influencing a change.

I've been here since before R'osity became R'osity...in fact, since before the Poser Forum, when all this was a tiny website built by a young woman to share Poser freestuff. I've seen a lot of shit-storms here. The "storm" over the upload limits was fairly minor compared to some, and even the most "torrential storms" had little impact on the outcome even when "emphasized" by a rash of merchants packing up their stores and leaving. Trying to stir up the "townsfolk" into storming the castle with their pitchforks and torches just ain't gonna do much good...there's no "muscle" behind such activities.

The decision may have been made for reasons of bandwidth or for financial considerations...but it certainly wasn't done to regulate anyone's inspiration, limit expression, or devalue anyone's art...and it's seems just plain silly to take it personally and think otherwise! The deed is done...probably won't be changed...time to get over it and move forward. ;^)

I didn't say I mind them! In fact, I've posted many myself and have benefited from the incredible wisdom around here. I am simply asking the poster to indicate in the subject line the specific thing they need help with. If I see a topic on which I may be able to offer advise, I will read the post. If I see a post with the subject heading "Please help" I simply pass right by. If you are a person seeking help, it's in your best interest to advertise the topic on which you need help. Does this not make sense?

I agree with Joey...nuff said on my part

illusions I'm ticked, I don't have a ball to take home! lol I actually try to word my posts better because someone, don't know if it was you or not pookah said that it would be better if people did that and I took the advice to heart. It does make a lot of sense because more folks who might be able to help will be more apt to look at the post. Marque

xoconostle The fact that it wasnt personal doesnt change its effect. There are overt and subtle forms of bigotry. The overt means of racism is to hang a sign on your door that says No Coloreds Welcome. The subtle way is just treat them differently when they come in. The only difference is the time it takes for them to get the hint and get out. This is not bigotry against my race, but against my style of presentation, and my art. Because my art is not just what is presented on a page, it is the process that created it. If the decision to change the uploads wasnt meant to offend me, then those who decided upon it should change it without question because it is offensive. If they dont care, then are condoning that offence, even if it was not the original intention. Joey and his fan... A one a day limit may have absolutely no effect on you, and there for you consider it reasonable. But to me its not. YOUR OPINION carries no more weight than mine. So stating that its OK for you does not make it OK for me. You seem to be one of the people who believes me and any work I do have NO value. That's what's killing our society today, the fact that for some reason the "consumer" has become a slave to commerce. Everything I do is of value, just like everything you do is. No matter how great or small. TV advertisements fund our favorites show for one reason. You and I sit there and watch them. That means the value of the air time that is sold to advertisers of that show is created by US! By just sitting there and watching. The same is true of the R'osity gallery. It exists not as a service to us, but as an advertisement for R'osity, and its vendors. Its unstated purpose it to say to "Look what you can do if you shop here with us." Yes. Rosity is allowed to set any policy they feel like. It's their site. I am also allowed to disapprove of it. Maybe not seeing my work will have no effect. But if people whose work does matter are offended as I am, maybe they will remove their work. If that happens enough maybe Rosity will adopt a less offensive practice, and that is better for all of us. Lets face it what other recourse do I have to show Im dissatisfied with their policy. The other extreme would be to post a picture a day berating the new policy. To be quite honest, its not THAT important to me. (Although it might be a good idea to put one up.) It is not Ego to have self respect, or demand other show me the respect I deserve if they wish to have me be a part of their group and community.

Well, now that you mention it...I probably will decamp for DAZ or PoserPros or 3DCommune. Not, I assure you, out of pique. But because time is money, I'm not getting any younger, and I'm getting tired of clicking on Rosity links and waiting for them to download. I have seen no improvement in site performance since they implemented the new limits. If anything, it's worse than ever. I'm on DSL, and the site's still like molasses, with frequent 404s. I shudder to think what it's like for those on dialup. There's a lot I like about Renderosity. I much prefer its user-controlled layout to the CSS-dictated, microfilm-sized text you get at PoserPros or DAZ. But it's been two months now, and they haven't fixed their bandwidth problems. I fear they aren't going to. :-(

You seem to be one of the people who believes me and any work I do have NO value Oh good lord, chill, huh? I don't know your work, and after this little irrational display, trust me, I won't bother. >> It exists not as a service to us, but as an advertisement for R'osity, and its vendors I think you might find several images that would dispute that position, but hey, that's for you to discover on your own. I used to have a gallery here. I don't anymore. It's now on my own website, which is where it should be, TTTT. Rsity is not your personal playground, Picasso. It's a place for everyone to share, even you. And if that means you only get one image a day, boo hoo, got it? And I would say the same whether it was to you or one of the overexposed Hot 20 artists. If you can't learn to share, go get your own web site, set up a link back to here, and be done with it. Otherwise, don't waste my time on your need for ego strokes.

It seem you're the one who needs Ego Strokes. It's not up to you to decide what R'osity does or doesn't. So I don't have to "get" anything from you. I questioned a policy. Even if you want to call my stance an attack... it was an attack on a policy. I have NEVER once demeaned any ONE with my comments. In fact I have offered reasons, and alternative for consideration. You also seem incapable of defending their policy with "reason" and instead are resorting to a personal attack on me. (Which it is by the way against the TOS here at R'osity.) If you're incapable of having a discussion, its time YOU left. Got it?

If you're incapable of having a discussion, its time YOU left. My. Deprive people of the ability to overload the gallery and they sure get upset fast. >> You also seem incapable of defending their policy with "reason" Here's the reason, Picasso. Remember when Rsity went down last week? This place is reaching the breaking point in terms of traffic, and your insistence on putting in every little squibble you labor over just adds to that problem. So chill out, learn to pace your uploads, and we'll all be just fine. If not, go get your own private little web space and clear out.

My. Deprive people of the right to voice their opinion and they sure get upset fast. Evidently you don't read very well, Hitler. I have already said that I understand and agree with the need and that reason for limits. I also said that I will post on my own Web space rather than here. (I used to do both with selected pieces.) I was a member of R'osity since 1999, and had a total of about 15 images in the gallery. When I did share something here, I usually posted it with several other images that complimented it and together they told a story. You can't honestly expect anyone here to believe that there will be a major bandwidth difference between allowing 7 pictures per week instead of one a day. The only difference will be that people who work on story's with more than one image will be welcome instead of systematically shunned. Now that's 2x you stooped to personal attacks instead of debating issues. Try it a third time and I will file a complaint for breach of TOS. YOU WILL KEEP A CIVIL TONE WHEN YOU SPEAK TO ME. OR ELSE!

Fuck my boots. I can't believe how a mildly sarcastic comment of Picasso can equate with a personal attack, yet you (Ratteler) see fit to name someone after one of the biggest mass murderers in history. But anyhow... FWIW, I don't have the slightest problem with the 1 pic per day rule. It ain't my site, I don't pay to upload my images, so I don't see what the fuss is about.

Evidently you don't read very well, Hitler You know, this is the sort of thing that can get you drop-kicked out of here, bud. And I suggest YOU remember that before you write your next screed. Screw you and your demands for a civil tone. When you've learned some manners, boy, talk to me again. Until then, don't waste my time. And consider yourself lucky that your little "Hitler" comment doesn't get you a TOS slap.

"Fuck my boots"???? Muuuuuuuhahahahaha!! I'm definitely adding that one to my repertoire SamTherapy!! :)

"My." Equate people with historical figures who repressed the opinion of others to get their way, "and they sure get upset fast." You're right. It was wrong of me to retaliate in kind and stoop to name calling. So Joey is guilty of 2 TOS violations to my one. And we'll look at the further evidence he's provided. "Screw you and your demands for a civil tone." Screw demands for a CIVIL TONE? Can there be anything more reasonable than a DEMAND for a civil tone? This is unquestionable a decree on Joey's part that he refuses to discuss things in a civil tone. At this point I have to assume that he is doing nothing but trolling. "When you've learned some manners, boy, talk to me again." Ironic statement from one who started the name calling and personal attacks. As to SamTherapy, well, I do apologize for being goaded into such a response. I'm sorry you were offended enough to reply. I ask that you to re-read my other posts and honestly evaluate if you can at least understand my point of view on the subject. You don't have to agree with me, but I do ask that you try to see my point of view. I have no problem with some one disagreeing with me. It's telling ME to "shut up" because THEY don't agree that truly gets my ire. If some one can't defend your position then it has no merit.

By the way, sinc Joey spun this thread, which was already redundent, so off topic. What say we ask the mods to lock it before it becomes even more ugly?

okay ..this is going nowhere. I'm locking this thread. If you all wish to continue this discussion please do so in a civil manner. Thanks! Lyrra