Just curious. ;=]

cheers,
dr geep
;=]

That all depends on whether they were normal to begin with. ;D

I thought only "normals" were tolerated in this group ?

Thats right, the Mods do not allow reversing the normals!

Well... if you keep it normal you don't get warnings... (I think...)...:)

Hey! Is this about Poser?!! Huh, IS IT?! Disclaimer: This was a joke. Any similarity to a serious thought, present or past, is purely accidental.

"Hey! Is this about Poser?!! Huh, IS IT?!"

HEY! ..... It absolutely IS!!!

I found it in the Group Edit window in Poser4.

So ........................... it quallifies, ... no?

;=] <-------------------- I hope.

Mods? ............ dis ok?

Hmmm... It might qualify... but cracking jokes... I don't know... Are we allowed to joke...? (re: Poser matters of course)... :)

Hmmm, .... it was NOT a joke. It was a very serious question! ;=]

Geep, select Figure--Conform to, as long as its set to the current TOS being enforced you should be OK.

I'm going to conform all my figures... and some of the non conforming props also... right away...

Thanks xenic ....... I'll go try that right now .... and if you guys never "see" me again, you'll know what happened. Good-bye cruel thread ..... sniff .... ;=[ But ..... I'll try it! cheers, dr geep <-------------------- feelin' brave ;=? ;=]

Don't worry Geep! All the Mods are watching the Super Bowl. ;D

YEAH maybe, but when it's over .......... ???????????????

I'm sure there are plenty of Poser users who would benefit from an informed explanation of what "normals" and "reverse normals" are. If I recall correctly, there's an explanation in the Poser manual, but who ever reads that? :-) What's this about a Bowl game today? I'm waiting for the 2004 World Series. Go Giants!

Abbey..Abbey Normal
You put an Abnormal brain in a 7 foot gorilla!?
-Young Frankenstein..I have no idea..I'm still wondering why kinematics are reversed to begin with.

So much silliness here, I'm afraid to answer. If that's a serious question I really have a mostly correct answer. Do you want it?

I WANT A SILLINESS TAG....or....FLAG....or...SOMETHING.

Please never stop being silly. :-)

Does this have anything to do with out-of-kilter galaxies? Maybe all that missing dark matter is really giant galaxies facing away from us on 1-sided squares? Carolly

Sometimes imported objects have normals reversed in such a way that Poser doesn't render them properly. I think this is what this is about.

Of course what's really confusing is that Poser doesn't use normals. (Try importing a mesh that doesn't have any - it works!) It actually uses the winding order of the vertices around each polygon; clockwise, anti-clockwise, I never can remember which is which even though knowledgeable people keep telling me. So, a "reverse normals" button shouldn't do anything at all. Except that when Poser says "normal" it means "winding order". Apologies for the interruption. I now return you to your scheduled programme of silliness. :-) EB the abwindingorder.

geep, I saw your panel in another thread but forgot to come back here with a 'nevermind'. I too like the silliness, I'm just not always sure how to respond. :) EnglishBob, winding order is generally used to compute the normal. I suspect Poser ignores them and generates it's own so it can do the phong shading interpolation smoothly across group boundaries, ignoring (potentially) duplicate vertices, where other programs would normally show a seam. One exception of course is in importing .dxf files. They always have seams on every face, or look faceted, if you prefer.

feh..if I don't use silliness, everyone will figure out how little I know about Poser..;) if it's a problem, I'll tone it down..;)

I'm curious, is it the same in P5? Or have they finally fixed that, allowing for true "2 sided" polys... Example: in C4D or MAX i can assign a material to the "Front" face of polys & a different Mat to the "Back" face of the same polys... Makes it easy to say have a red velvet sleeve with it's inside made of cotton blue... :-)) And of course this saves on the polycount, cause you don't have to double them up. I'm asking this, cause i was debating the pros & cons of finally buying P5. But, if this simple task is not available, then i will stick to what i'm doing. Which is pose my characters in P4, then export & render in C4D. And Yes Geep! You are allowed to be silly! In Fact, you're students, fans & friends encourage you to it!! Marco[A frenchman, which means "silly"... ;-O]

:)

Poser5's firefly render engine doesn't like 2 sided polys : it renders them full of black squares. But there is a very simple workaround for this, so 2 sided polys are not a problem in Poser5 when you know about it.

Compiler, you raised my eyebrow! :-) Can you explain quickly the "workaround"? That info could tip the scale for me... I've said a few times that i wouldn't never buy P5. But, that contradicted my "open minded philosophy".. LOL So far the "pros & cons" list of mine is about equal. A few more positive thoughts & i'm hooked. Marco

Superbe! J'ai hate d'avoir P5!(Giggles). Merci Compiler! Marco

I know only enough about this subject to be dangerous, but whenever I have a model (usually an imported 3ds or obj one) and the surface renders shadowed when it should have rendered as if the light is shining on it instead (because it is), I reverse the normals for the offending group element and it renders OK (usually, but not always).