I purchased the babies before the encoding, so do I now need to download again? Will notification be sent to those who purchased before? Also, I deleted every scrap of P4 models in my Poser directories. So if it is dependant on having a P4 model, what do I do? Also, what happens to those people who may ultimately start with Studio someday and will never have purchased Poser? Will they be able to use the babies? I understand it is the Poser 4 baby I must have, is that correct? I really don't want to reinstall Poser to get it. What are my options? Cris

Oh that is first time that I hear about.. I was ready to buy but after the previews I saw templates and never got answer about of it was original figure or not.. if that was well encoding then you need to own the original poser baby to get this working ......if somebody don't own poser4 then can't use the baby in other software.. :( cath

I don't think this baby is dependent on anything. As I understand, it's an original figure. I run P5 and don't have the DAZ baby or any other baby on my computer. The cubed babies work great. Not sure what this RTencoder business is, but I installed them and they worked right out of the box without a hitch.

sandoppe, can you check out the geometry of the baby if this is original one? this way you can see if this well or not based geometry on the original baby.. just import the geometry into poser from the baby geometry folder Thanks cath

Hmmmm.......... I deleted the P4 baby obj and am not running P5 and the cubed babies work great but here is what Chris wrote in another thread. Don't know if it answers any questions "Cubed acquired the rights to beta materials of the unfinished P5 baby from Curious Labs. There wasn't much to begin with but it had used the P4 as a base so there is still a small amount of P4 mesh in some of the body parts. The head was originally the P5 head which we were NOT given permission to use, so the head is 100% original. Most of the body was ripped out and rebuilt but it still started it's existence as the P4 baby back at Curious Labs. For that reason, it was prudent to use RTEncoder to ensure that the original licensing from DAZ is not breached."

ok, so the baby is well a part of the old one, so if nobody have the old one how the baby works??? RTEncoder need the original p4 baby geometry??? or maybe the first version that was sold was well with own shared geometry and the new one need the poser4 baby as well for it.. on the templates I saw well that there was the parts that was the same in poser4 baby that why I was confused and to right.. Thanks kayjay97 for the info! :))

To the best of my knowledge, the encoding was only recently put in, so those of us who purchased before a certain date have a model that will work without the P4 baby. That is what I am understanding from all of this. However, since the encoding is something that is required on the babies, it would mean, as I see it, that we have to have the baby. What I do not know is if the baby is required with the encoded version and you do not have it, then what do you do? I had too much unnecessary files in my library, so I made a decision to get rid of all the P4 stuff as I never used it. I don't want to have to re-install Poser and all the SRs just to get the baby. Does the baby need to be installed to work? Otherwise, what good would an encoding be if it doesn't require recognition of the original mesh. I saw Chris' message, but that still doesn't answer my questions or what happens to Studio users who never own Poser. If your version is working without the P4 baby, did you purchase before or after the encoding? Thanks, Cris

the new version can't works without the original geometry, if this do then that is nonsense with the encoder. Logic that the decoded files included only a part of the geometry and the rest of the geometry is take from the original figure.. if there is not the original figure installed it will not working. if this work well without the original figure then here will speak about copyrights issues, from what I see they did this already by selling the first figure... and Cris the baby will not working for artist that don't have Poser, if it works then this is not legal to sell the files.

Chris, this thread is the first I heard of this. I bought it the day it was released. When and where did you here of the encoding?

I just sent Chris off an email asking if he would stop by :)

The first time I heard about it was when a friend was looking at the Cubed site and noticed the .rte file (which meant that it was encoded). That file was not in the version I purchased. I don't quite understand how that happened because if the new model is derivative of the P4 baby, it should have had the encoding all along, shouldn't it? I am seeing statements that the mesh was new and now that it wasn't, but that it was almost all new. All I know is that it wasn't encoded and now it is and if the encoding requires the P4 baby, I may not be using the baby cause I don't want to reinstall. I went to the site today and it says the product comes with the .rte, but doesn't state which figure it was based on, or how the encoding works.

I understand about the reinstalling. I don't want to either although someone said to install Poser in a default temp file and only pull files needed. Since the baby obj is the only one needed might work?

Ok Cath.....I imported one of the babies from the geometries folder into Poser 5. He's there....he didn't explode....I got no error messages or requests for an encoder. I ordered these babies the first day they were released. So.....I suppose that means I have the "hot baby" :) I'm clueless on the geometries thing Cath......is there something more you want me to do with him that will verify if this is an original baby or some other kind of baby. Like I said before, I have no other babies on my 'puter. Never purchased the DAZ baby and long ago moved all of the P5 characters to a CD disk. If there's another baby on my computer....he's hiding out!! :)

I thought it was all original as well.

I bought the new version with the rte's and it needs the blNudeInfant.obj (the P4 baby) for decoding. It worked fine with RTEJava and the P4 baby included in Poser 5 for Mac OSX. After the decoding the P4 baby is not necessary any more, as the cr2's only look for dylan.obj and jenny.obj respectively.

Thanks, so I know enough, if you don't got any problems it mean that the first baby have own geometry, keep it in safe LOL "it had used the P4 as a base so there is still a small amount of P4 mesh in some of the body parts"" nah that we know enough of this.. when I used old geometry of Poser4 I got agreement from daz to do this without I can't share anything or I have to decode the files.. maybe they have well agreement, but I think that is strange that nobody wrote about under the product page as Cris P. said before.. :( and I asked a long time ago direct Chris D. about , without reply.. Digital babies black market LOL just kiding.. I am sure Chris D. will have good answer for us when he wake up tomorrow..

That's good to know Cath! :) Don't worry Cath.....I'll keep them safe :) I would guess that anyone who purchased Poser 4 on up must have the P4 baby don't they?! I did......in fact I just checked my P4/P5 characters back up Cd and blNudeInfant.obj is there....just not on my computer. So......if the Cubed babies are based on a character that comes with Poser and he got permission from CL to use the base, then what's the big deal?! I'm sure Chris will have a response. I just sent him an email and suggested he check out this thread and post some clarifications. I suspect someone went sniping about this baby and that's what prompted the "encoder" business. Sometimes I think I engage in over kill with the stuff I save to CD. Then there are days like this, when I'm glad I'm a bit anal in that regard :)

you are right.. to create something as this you don't need to have any agreement of permission I mean the second version.. but well the first one was a little problem. I am glad you don't get another gift certificate this time.. LOl j/k

Anyone who purchased Poser does have the baby, true enough, but as I said, I deleted all my Poser 4 figures, etc. I try not to clutter my already burgeoning libraries with things I don't ever intend to use. Seriously, it is something I would have factored into my decision to purchase. Legally, I should be using the .rte and that means getting that file (reinstalling or whatever) that it's dependant on for first time recognition. It's not impossible to do, but it's a PITA and I would have liked to have known beforehand. There should be information, beyond that, because there may be people who start out with Studio and never buy Poser and the fact that Studio will work with Poser files will be misleading on Cubed's part because it doesn't explain what is needed and how it works in order for the babies to be used in this circumstance. As to having permission, that would have to then come to the question that while CL may have had the license to distribute the content with Poser, did/do they have the right to sub-license the content to third parties? The need for decoding indicates that he doesn't have permission to distribute without the requirement of the previous mesh. Hopefully, though, Chris will address all of this here and on his site. Cris

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Hi Everyone - thanks for the heads up on this thread! Here's the story - please read it carefully... Curious Labs gave Cubed the rights to use the unused beta content from Poser 5. We were given written permission to develop and sell products based on this material. The baby was a partial mesh that wad been derived from the P4 baby body and the P5 head. We removed a lot of mesh and built it up from there. After releasing the babies, Daz (with whom we have an excellent working relationship, as we do with Curious Labs) informed us that Curious Labs did not have the right to give us the permission that they did. Together, we came up with the simplest solution. By using RTEncoder, everyone that owns poser can use the babies. This doesn't offer a solution for a Maya version, however. If we create a version 2, we will probably rebuild the body mesh to eliminate any dependency on legacy content and free the licence for all formats. As for Daz Studio, we will discuss that with Daz and I'm sure we will come up with a simple solution for that as well. BTW, Daz have said that we do not have to recall any of our original sales, nor did they insist on us stopping sales until we had the encoded version released. They are easy about the whole thing. Daz and the Forge (and now Cubed) have a long history of co-operation and mutual support. We deal fairly and honestly with everyone and they deal the same way with us. There is no scandal and no feud, so please understand that everyone is cool with this. Did anyone have any other questions that they would like answered? If you're wondering about the animals, they are all 100% original - built from the ground up. I'm going to bed now - I'll check back here in the morning. BTW, we have the individual babies, clothes and poses available now. Chris

I want those babies! Hot or cold, i've just gotta have them, LOL! If anyone wants to sell theirs, i'll buy it! I have babies out the ... Poser babies, Daz babies, ultra-babies. But these 2 new ones are too good to pass up. Send your babies to me :-) (Ms) BillyGoat

Chris D, Either way it is a great baby and very unique. I hope CL finds some way to comphensate Cubed for the trouble. -Anton Chris P, I am a bit suprised by this post. You of all people never do stuff like this and here of all places? You answered all your own questions in your posts, know the story and obviously been around long enough that you know you would have to email cubed for a proper response. I am sorry but the thread seems very odd.

Thank you Chris, also for your private e-mail I understand and for me and other is now clear story who was there the bad "guy" that put Cubed in the wrong way.. my excuse if I sounds maybe not nice but really this was nothing personal.. I got in this discussion because I don't got my reply before so this was just very interesting to know how the product is really done.. but as Anton said, you work so long with this stuff so this was just very strange for me that you don't know about who have the most right to give any permissions for poser models.. people learn from own mistakes.. as a funny note of the end of this story, my question: Will CL banned from RS, you know shared files without permission in a commercial product usually cost people a head .. LOL hahaha just kidding Nobody is perfect!

"Will CL banned from RS, you know shared files without permission in a commercial product" lol

I guess I'm not in bed yet... soon. Catherina, I want to be very clear - there are no "bad guys" in this situation. There was a misundersanding about licensing between CL and Daz and we got cought in the middle. It's all cleared up now and everyone is happy. BTW, has anyone seen any gallery images with our babies yet? I'd love to see what everyone is doing with them. Billygoat, looking for someone to sell you a baby? ...err... I have a couple to sell! You'll like them - they don't even have any smell when you change their nappies! :') Go buy one and have fun! Chris

Chris I am just kidding not for nothing I use "" you have to visit this forum everyday and nothing will wonder you about. I don't think here was misunderstanding between CL and Daz, everyone know about, self people that never was working with this stuff... imagine you did this baby for a million movie, you will hang UP today together with CL, and this is not funny.. Please take care and keep doing your top creations! My opinion have nothing to do with "your" cute babies creation, they are sweet and nice done.. Cath

Thanks for replying, Chris. This has answered most of my questions as I'm sure it has for others as well. Cris

Civil questions deserve civil answers. :') Thanks for bringing up your concerns. It's my pleasure to answer them. Chris