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It is interesting how the bulk of Poser artwork is geared towards pinups. Its not too surprising since a human figure creation program is going to gravitate somewhat to that area. Pinups tend to get 2-3 times the views of any images surrounding them in the gallery and nude ones, often regardless of quality, will get 2-3 times more views than a clothed pinup image. Considering how easy it is to view pinup style images (clothed and nude) around the web of real women, Im somewhat curious why theres this level of attention here. To some degree, we want to see how realistic a render somebody can create with a human figure. There ought to be a leveling out of the field for how long the galleries have been around. After flipping through the galleries, a flash of skin is still more likely to garner a lot of views than well-executed scenery or any other kind of image. Does anybody understand why this is happening?

Like you said, it is a figure posing tool so it'll gravitate toward figures. It could also be the majority of poser owners are male and the majority of those male owners are heterosexual. There are homosexual pin ups in the gallery too. Plus, for any other kinds of renders (rendering a car, landscape etc) other packages do that so much better than poser so they probably won't end up in the poser gallery. I don't understand the facination toward female pin ups either. Its not like women do pin ups of us guys and the same frequency. Heck most of their own magazines feature pictures of... women. Kind of odd eh? Men's magazines show pictures of women and women's magazines show pictures of... women. Kind of like one half cares about the other but the other half only cares about itself... perhaps? Perhaps its time women truly become equal to men and get the same amount of attention.

Most artworks, whatever the media, gather more popuarity when they have mostly naked women in it (and this includes commercials, TV shows, movies, antique statues, and even music...). That's just the way the Human mind works I guess. BTW : "To some degree, we want to see how realistic a render somebody can create with a human figure." That's not every Poser artist's goal. For my part I put realism after many other considerations when I do a picture. Just my 2 eurocents.

the answer is relatively simple, the women make pin up pics of women because it's like playing with dolls (who can make the prettiest vicky), the heterosexual men do pin ups of women because staring at male 3d genitalia scares them to death..........pin up pics get so much attention ,expecially here, because over 50% of the visitors come looking specifically for naked female pics

It's quite amazing, I put my latest image in the pin-up category and it got the most views, even though she's not showing anything improper, I figure I have done much better renderings but that's the one they like! I guess the human brain is hardwired to look at naked women. Although lately I have a tendancy to skip postings where I catch a glimpse of zeppelin sized breasts, I appreciate a well done pin-up, especially the 1950's styled ones.

Because naked women are the most beautiful things that exist.........Steve

Now take a look at the characters used in these pin-ups. Look at the differences between those characters designed by men and those designed by women. This is a generalisation and so there are exceptions but those designed by the men often look very alike and artificial. What I mean by this is that they ape the look of surgery, silicone breasts and collagen lips. It is as if the common conception of beauty is the artifical look. Not at all the look found in 50s pin-ups, for example. By contrast, women's women tend to look much more natural - even with a large bust. They are also far more beautiful! In addition to this, the best naked vicki's, that is the one's that don't bore you silly or drive to despair, are usually by women. They make more of an effort. I've nothing against the naked form, I like it. But it is only interesting with some effort and imagination!

A man's brain is about three feet lower than a womans. LOL. ( quote from a dating comercial )

I've set myself a challenge this year to make one male and one female pin-up every month, like a calendar. The female pictures get 2-3 times the amount of views that the male ones do. I've stopped sighing over that, it's just a reflection of the site we're on. As someone said, there are more straight men here than any other... err... orientation, and the viewing figures will reflect that. Of course the female nude has been probably THE most favourite art subject in the history of art. Nobody ever slagged off Goya for doing "pinups" or said, "Hey Paco, lay off the cheesecake, willya?" Well... except the Spanish inquisition...

The answer seems relatively simple.

While famous artist can attract many people with fine art, generally speaking, sexy art website may attract much more people than fine art site.

It may be our choice whether we present what we want, and have few visitors, or present what people (market) want, and have large numbers of visitors.

TV shows, movies, and others are full of sex, and violence. May be a fate of market driven society?

Compare Posette with Dork, or Vicky with Mike. "Dork"? What am I saying!

A pin-up, for me, is usually done when I'm stuck while working on something else, or to take a break from creating more intense images. I find them relaxing to do but I work just as hard putting them together, especially when it comes to the pose and lighting. However, none of mine are nudes, I've only done one of those and it was for a contest so it never went into my gallery. And you're right, they do get more views than some of my other images. Not a bad thing, though.

Women can make women more Beautiful because they know how to do hair and makeup! It's that simple! When's the last time a straight guy had to apply eye liner and rouge?

I disagree about women making women "more beautiful". I think women focus more on themselves than on the other sex so they know what they are looking for and for some reason spend a lot more time on their own personal detailing than guys do. For example, if I were to do a pretty male, I'd probably make a body builder with chiselled features or some such genetically better specimen. I wouldn't get it right as far as women are concerned seeing how there are tons of body builder guys out there and they aren't that popular with women. Also looking at the guys women find hot they don't come close to what I would think. But always dumping men with a label of female objectifying is lame, old and worn out. Women have tremendously high standards too. Just look at First, McCalls, Cosmo... those girls are Holocost vicitms in weight. We men don't advocate that. Whens the last time you saw a guy buying one of those mags unless he was stealing hair pics to use as textures in poser. That's easily proven by looking at the women we do find hot ie they have curve and shape and don't look like they need to eat a sandwich. The girls on muscle car mags aren't Gwen Paltro or Carmen Diaz.

Attached Link: All I do is pinups, pinups, pinups - Poser's perfect for it. Here's my gallery :o)

Why? You need to ask?? LOL! We're mammals, react to our basic instincts first and everything else after. The need to procreate and the constant hormonal urge to find suitable partner(s) rules our lives. That's why there's such fascination with beauty, with nakedness, with the opposite sex (or same sex if that's your bag). It's so darn simple. I fail to see the fascination with questioning this! Is it some sort of moral high-horse thing so that those who 'can't understand it' can show how they can rise above such basic instinct and see greater, more significant goals and values in life since they are not prisoners of lowly hormonal drive? Well don't ask me - however much of a philosopher and a thinker I may be (I even have a university degree in philosophy, sociology and psychology), I am first and foremost a mammal, driven by very strong urges that I have NO qualms about at all. I enjoy being a straightforward mammal and am absolutely FASCINATED by the opposite sex (women in my case) in all ways - not only the way they look but also the way they move, walk, talk, laugh, smile, etc etc. A male studying females of the same species. Females are most welcome to study males just as intensely if they wish. there's no restriction applied. If they're not as interested, well fine, that's their choice :o) So - to recap - looking at pictures of gorgeous women beats the hell out of everything else I ever did in my life apart from making and bringing up babies (I've done that bit finished) so I'll go on doing it until the urge leaves me. Which will be when I'm old, old, old. Old. So the short answer - Why so many pinups? Because it's the best there is! Simple. And the reason I myself only use Poser for pinups is NOT because I'm boring or haven't understood what life is about. It's the contrary position enbtirely. If you want to look at other things, look in the Maya gallery or Lightwave or something. Poser is for people. PS: Oh sure I understand women are not only for looking at but also for having relationships with - which is why I have been happily married to the same (understanding) woman for 22 years. And I've been faithful all that time. :] Fish That was at least 2 Euros worth.... :o)

It still doesn't quite answer why Poser pinups over the real thing? Maybe some guys are looking for gravity defying artillery shells instead of normal breasts. Even the most massively artificially chested porn stars still deal with gravity--even if it has a hard time acting on a giant saline plastic bag implanted chest. I can understand fantasy being the largest gallery category because it represents images that don't otherwise exist. There's no shortage of pinup images of real women on the net, so it's less a question of why do people want to look at women as why they want to look at digital women.

I don't understand the facination toward female pin ups either. Its not like women do pin ups of us guys and the same frequency. Heck most of their own magazines feature pictures of... women. Kind of odd eh? Men's magazines show pictures of women and women's magazines show pictures of... women. Kind of like one half cares about the other but the other half only cares about itself... perhaps? Perhaps its time women truly become equal to men and get the same amount of attention.

The answer is not elusive.

Men are "affected" by the things that they see. Much more powerfully than women.

Men and women are different.

I understand that this is a violation of certain aspects of feminist dogma. But it's one of those things that's so-o-o-o-o obvious as to totally escape the notice of "modern thinking".

One will never find a male equivalent of the Hooter's restaurant chain. And Playgirl magazine will never have anything like the circulation numbers of Playboy.

I wonder why?

And I also wonder why the Poser marketplace supplies V3 characters at about a 10/1 ratio over M3 characters? There must be some mysterious reason for this........

As for the covers of men's magazines vs. women's magazines:

The marketing message to the man: "Buy this magazine, and you can have this babe!"

The marketing message to the woman: "Buy this magazine, and you can look like this babe! And catch the male in the process!

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So.....why so many pin-ups? I wonder..........?

It still doesn't quite answer why Poser pinups over the real thing?

FANTASY. WISH-FULFILLMENT.

And, in some cases -- a desire for control. Electronically-generated CG women don't have a mind of their own.

For me, pretty much the same as FishNose's examples. I like women. I like women so much I could be in a building full of women and never, ever be bored, sick of it or want out of there. I don't mean supermodels, either. I mean your average cross section of women you would find pretty much anywhere. And here's why I like them... They look nice. They have interesting shapes which dip and sweep and bend and curve. They generally smell a damn sight better than most men. They have pleasanter voices. They move in interesting ways. Women are great and I wholly approve. That's just the basic physical and visual aspects. Now, combine that with all the mental/spiritual/emotional aspects of womanhood and you have at least half the population of the world who are completely fascinating and wonderful to me. Is it art? Bet your bippy it is. Show me a more beautiful work of art than the female form and I'll take you to see a big, mean dog. ;) Of course, this is just my opinion. That said, I don't just do pinups. In fact, a good deal of my work isn't cheesecake or T&A. But when I do T&A, I do it without a qualm, without question, and without a second thought. I do it - to quote one of my own picture titles - Because I Can.

sort of a recap in my own words, a trillion years of bio-engineering, and we are the result. Women see reality through an estrogen filter, men see it through a testosterone filter. And if you think those drugs/hormones don't make a difference re-read this entire thread. Men have no choice to be driven. To the degree that we can be conscious of who and what we are we might begin to have a say over how we get there but we are driven. (sex drive) BTW, there are, of course, many men and women who have found themselves with varying amounts of said hormones, too much of one, not enough of another who completely blur the gender lines. And lastly, I agree, it's a control thing re: Pinups. One doesn't have to ask Vicki's permission to make her breasts morph to 11.

I think, for men at least, the digital babe in some ways allows the artist and the viewer to more easily escape into the fantasy (perhaps erotic) than does a photo of an actual living hottie. I also think that part of what makes the digital babe pin-ups attractive is exactly because they can break the boundaries of nature. For instance, compare the digital Lara Croft to the Angelina Jolie version. I'd bet that some folks prefer the digital version over the living version. BTW, I'm hopelessly hetero, yet I like making hunky male pin-ups. I think it's because they represent what I'd like to look like :P

"I'd bet that some folks prefer the digital version over the living version." Yup, because she's a better actress. No kidding.

I have always loved pinups. The best of them are not only sexy but also witty-- just about anyting for WW2, sumptuous-- Royo and Olivia, elegant in line and execution-- Vargas. As a 59 year old amply proportioned woman, I neither want to look like this nor desire to make love to it. They make me feel good about being a woman-- the best of them. Since I was brother deprived and shy, I learned flirting from pinups. I love the art involved-- and the range of it, in you face, plump and rosycheeked, emaciated and ethereal, Dream like and surreal, dangerous and vaguely fascist. Especially like Petty girls and Vargas for whom a lovely indominable woman can be expressed in almost a single exquisite line or curve. Pinups are a good challenge to begin with in Poser because they don't involve much setting-- some of the best look so good on plain white. And they depend on pose and camera angle-- so excellent to try out new Poser skills without being overwhelmed. And because they are so independant of decor, they are also terrific to go back to when you think you know Poser well, Just to see if you can handle the barest [sic] minimums and still deliver a killer render. I love male pinups to, but oh boy are they hard to accompish. [should have put another sic in there] The fine line between sexy and stupid looking is much finer in male pinups and very hard [sic] to keep on the right side. In a word, hetero-male pinups tend to look dumber than their gay counterparts. Just my opinions as usual, Emily

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It's sort of interesting that my pinup has very few veiwings when compared to my other pics.......btw, she isn't meant to be humorous...just not the standard pin up babe.

One will never find a male equivalent of the Hooter's restaurant chain. Actually its called the Sugar Shack at least in Chicago and surrounding areas like Wisconson and Indiana. Also Hooters are not that popular. The one close to me closed due to lack of interest. Kind of shows that men don't all think with their twig and berries. However, a malt shop in the area that started having weekend hotrod and bike shows got a massive influx of guys.

How about this, It's easirer.

How about this, It's easier.

many are the reasons..I've spent several decades among women, and have the ability to blend into the background..guys, when they discuss us..don't nevah think they don't 'look'..their attention to details can be..disturbing..;) well, there could be

1. A full-frontal female nude will get a polite warning. A full-monty male will get you serious attention from the mods..;)
2. Naked women get hits (made a Naked Vicky in a Cubicle with a sword..you can't see anything, and it still got more hits faster than half the other posts..;)
3. I've heard many women complain about Playgirl, either the guys look too embarrased, or too proud..;)
4. With so many good models to choose from, so much free clothing (when's the last time someone came out with a droopy turtleneck sweater for any of the models?..;) and so much stuff geared for pinup-type renders, you work with what you have..what the Poser communities need are a cheap pair of baggy overalls and rap clothing..;)
5. I think the details part with women's renders show through..usually I just dialate the eyes slightly (gives a sense of interest, and is a subliminal symbol to most folks..which is why the Arabs wear sunglasses..no lie..;), maybe some lips or brows..I bet women renders work on dial after dail to get 'the right' look
   well, that's my thoughts..

woooo pinups..hmmm ok I am female...and I adore doing erotic work. why I find the body just utterly captivating. no other reason. I do it in 2d I do it in sculpture and of course 3d. I do not like though the general silicone look I dearly pray for the day vicki has real breast that have that softness to them ...that ripe fruit lush and wonderful looking. and yes with gravity! BUT guess what I also do male pinups. infact while trying to get a page at a erotic art site. one thing that was requested was MALE pin up work more men in erotic art. it is not just rendo that is pin up full...it is the world starting to go ..hmmmmmmmm what ELSE can be naked?LOL we are humans and with that the human form not only is familiar territory but it is pleasing to our eye because we are wired that way.ok not all like naked woman with lusting looks and cloths that are either ripped, wet,,,rubber, leather or lace or variations there of. or just plain naked. I can not speak for others but for me it is about an adoration with the form itself. it is beautiful and you have so many variations in with it..ok so poser can make you frustrated with that ...but it is honestly true so so many gloriouse wonderful variances!

*One will never find a male equivalent of the Hooter's restaurant chain.

Actually its called the Sugar Shack at least in Chicago and surrounding areas like Wisconson and Indiana.

Also Hooters are not that popular. The one close to me closed due to lack of interest. Kind of shows that men don't all think with their twig and berries. However, a malt shop in the area that started having weekend hotrod and bike shows got a massive influx of guys.*

Nowhere near the size of Hooters. Not even close.

And there are plenty of Hooters around the country.

Individual restaurant locations open and close all the time for reasons that have nothing to do with the health of the overall chain.

As for the subtle attack on the natural inclinations of men....let's just say that such insinuations are the equivalent of insulting an oak for being a tree.

Simple; the world just Needs more Bomber Girls {period}

ohh the old classic pinups! betty grable! ohh and yes the scandalouse betty page....ohhh those where the days. like older playboy and penthouse...like olivia work ..ohhh candyfloss the pink haired comic charecter from penthouse...~sighs~

"As for the subtle attack on the natural inclinations of men....let's just say that such insinuations are the equivalent of insulting an oak for being a tree." No they aren't. Misandry is just as bad as Misogyny.

No they aren't. Misandry is just as bad as Misogyny.

I don't see the difficulty here. I agree with you.

Too often these days men (and women, too) are condemned for acting like themselves -- this is a terrible crime in the eyes of some.

The odd thing is -- many of those individuals with the greastest vitrol against masculinity are also trying so hard to mimic the thing which they are attacking.

Interesting. Attack something, while at the same time desperately attempting to imitate it.

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Marketing types understand the people that they are selling to. The rule is simple: Give the people what they want.

That's why V3 has so many more incarnations than M3.

I have a large number of portraits in my gallery; though I think some of them are pretty good they never achieved much in popularity. So, as an experiment I created Taffy just so I could make a nude pin-up to see what would happen. Rarely have I gotten more than 200 hits, but this render (in appropriate undress) received over 800 and is still receiving hits. Now you would think that I would be happy about this, but Im NOT. Im the same artist with the same abilities that created the portraits, but the only one thats popular is a nude pin-up. Everybody wants their work to viewed and its hard take when your render is getting 50 to 60 hits, while the nude pin-up next to you is getting 200 to 300. If those hit number dont mean anything, we might as well go paint on cave walls. It is insulting to insinuate that a male artist can only make plastic looking woman. After making the nude pin-ups my next render was of a strong looking woman. It received less than 200 hits. So whats my point? My point is that Renderosity is about popularity, and the most popular thing here at Renderosity is Poser pin-ups. So you can either create or BTW, I dont think that its the male artists here that are boosting number on the pin-ups. IMO its probably underage teenage boys. In the end does it matter if you scream at the silent and no one hears?

In the end does it matter if you scream at the silent and no one hears?

People don't come with remote controls. You can't "change their channel".

Frustratin', ain't it?

Why do Stephen King novels sell so much better than Dickens, or than Shakespeare's collected works?

Why do more people like pin-ups than those that enjoy serene landscapes?

People must just be a bunch of dummies.....yeah, that's it! If they weren't dummies, then they would like what they should. Not what they do.

With this........you've hit upon the dilemma of every idealist that's ever lived.

OTHER PEOPLE JUST DON'T FIT THE MOLD.

.< Ijust learned that in the wicked wanda comics in penthouse..candyfloss was not the pink haired woman! ohh nooo I have thought that for so so long! does anyone remember wicked wanda? if you think renderosity is bad for pinups just look through magazines. not just things like penthouse ...look at cosmopolitan magazine. look at almost any WOMANS magazine and you will see woman in undress and in pinup poses left and right. dont slam just men trust me pllllllllenty of woman do pinup work like it and love it.

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Part of it is beauty is biological- large round eyes- baby-fat filled faces ect.. A kitten can be as equally cute as a human baby. Then there is the fact that really- when you look at it- This is an expensive hobby and cloths are expensive- and very limited in number and quality. And also still kind of difficult to use. The last part I'd say is doing pinups is like singing accapollo(sp). It's just plain fun and good practice. To make a picture that only has one subject but make it tell a story all on its own. To make it please the eye is a skillset in itself.

So, whats the choice? Create that which will make you popular, or that which will make you happy?

That's what I do!I do everything!as soon as breasts don't cover more then 50% of my picture,it's ok... I've made some test too!when nipple shows it hits over 500!and thongs?those work even better... However I prefer dressed pin ups!I remove clothes when they don't comform good... I make images that I would like to see and who sees or comments your image depends on your thbnail and the image!Everytime I check who comments my pictures I discover gallerys that are not super popular but hide great art! So make a representing thubnail of your image and you may not have many hits but you will have the right hits and more usefull comments! That's what makes me happy!

Cause all us red blooded hetero males love to look at BOOBIES!!!!!! hahahahahahahahahaha

I've got no complaints about the human form. I am using Poser, aren't I? I bought the 1 1/2" thick Digital Beauties Japanese pin-up book of 3D art because of the variety of artwork it contained. Ive got a ton of Playboys all photos magazines. I love looking at the female form. More often than not, Id rather look at the real thing. I guess I could ask myself the question of why I don't do more pinups. The quick and fast answer is because I don't want to. There's not a lot of conscious thought behind it. Ive never done much pinup stuff. I learned how to draw from tracing comic books and I find, whenever I do a drawing, that I tend to be illustrating an action or event rather than a doing a figure study. I suppose part of the reason, for not doing pinups, is that I can more readily hire an attractive model and photograph a far greater variety of real live images in a few hours than I could achieve in months of Poser work. Poser does provide a greater variety of costuming than I could readily find, but would be less real than photographing a professional model and a whole lot less fun. Im drawing what I like and others are drawing what they like. Its just interesting how the stats are skewed here. I dont think its kids that are skewing the results because theyd have a hard time finding Renderosity if they werent looking for Poser--its much easier finding photos of real nude women on the net. The bulk of better looking Poser images are being created by adults because it takes a certain amount of time and experience to do it well. Besides, not many people even know that Poser exists. A computer expert, at work, was amazed that there was a program to do something like Poser and Bryce and helped me order a few copies of each because he could see how it could be used for charts and advertisements. The times that Ive shown Poser to kids, they seem less interested in the unclothed figures than in dressing them up and producing images with knights and dragons and princesses.

Well, what I'd really like to render is the Battlecruser Tiger (the most handsome warship ever) steaming line-ahead with her sister ships at Jutland, shell splashes all around, in the ach of firing her guns seconds after Beatty made the remark "Something seems to be wrong with our ships today". I'd use Poser as the operating program, to rotate the turrets and elevate the guns, plus to put tiny little figures on the deck, then probably export it and render it in Bryce, or maybe Max. But... I'd have to make the model first (nobody makes anything like that), and as I make my living doing Poser stuff and it wouldn't sell (very well) to others I might starve while I was making it. Besides, I like girls. ;-) A little off-topic side note here- anyone ever notice how many of the mesh-makers (other than me) seldom seem to do renders? I find I often make stuff because I want to use it in a render, I then sell it to keep food on the table.

"why doing digital pin-ups ?". First, everyone is doing digital pin-ups : all the photos you see in the magazines are photoshopped to the max they can. As for me, I have seen plenty of naked women (in a professional way, I'm a physician), and, beauty-wise, digital creations allow for the search of the "perfect" form. I find reality sometimes very disapointing.

have to agree..after a visit to a clothing o**tionable beach in Saint Maartin, it's amazing how many folks look better with their clothes on (especially that grandmother..:| I wisely kept me nubblies covered..;)
Mesh makers display the non-render stuff mainly to prove that they did the actual modelling, as far as I can tell..;) I render everything..;) (ain't it obvious?.;)

Speculation: Why so many pin-ups? Some people have one track minds. Some people make art to be popular (i.e. more hits) and that is what makes them happy. Why such unrealistic proportions? I imagine most people dont see nude women a lot, and on the rare occation that they do they are not thinking about relative sizes so they can ensure proper proportions of their art work. Why digital? Its easier and cheaper (medical bills when she kicks your arse or lawsuits/bail for harassment) than asking a beautiful woman on the streets if she would pose nude for you. Why poser? Ease of use (relative to other programs) Why not surf the "real" sites? Poser pin-ups dont have the social stigma of being "porn". Thus, they are not caught by corporate screening, parental control and jealous spouses.

you know after reading here about pinups geting more hits then anything..I looked in my gallery and it is the vieled woman and such in my gallery that get the most. my "sofia Borgia" portrait I believe has the most of all my pics and it is just a face with a nose ring. so I dont find that "nude=hits" I think GOOD or GREAT nudes may equal hits though but then it is the quality and not the nudity that is doing it.

If we are doing it for hobby, we can afford to do what we want.
If we are doing it for living, probably we have to provide what people want.

A little off-topic side note here- anyone ever notice how many of the mesh-makers (other than me) seldom seem to do renders?

I did notice it. While some super (?) people were doing both, modeling, and rendering may be a different regime.

We know that those who can't do, teach. Maybe those who can't get, pinup? Just kidding! A good pinup is beautiful. Usually sexy, fun, maybe even funny. Always a little overdone, like good burlesque. Male or female. A bad pinup is repetitious, boring, and leaves nothing to the imagination. Good pinups were in Playboy in the 1950's and 60's. Bad pinups were in Hustler. A good pinup can hang tastefully somewhere in your house, a bad pinup is used in an outhouse. Why so many pinups? Becasue everyone thinks they can do a good one. Pity not everyone is right (including me). Don't let that stop you though. Those underage kids need something now that National Geographic has gotten so expensive.

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I throw my hat in with steveshanks, Fishnose, SamTherapy and even queri... I am fascinated, intrigued and inspired by the female form - the most beautiful thing on earth. I love the curves, the slight or huge smile, the look in thier eyes, the sound of thier voice and laugh, the list goes on... I love women who celebrate thier femininity and pay homage to them as I create pinups (link to my gallery attached). As for why rendered art vs. photo, I actually enjoy both, but appreciate the freedom of creativity available in the rendered (or other non-photo) mediums. I've always been a big fan of Vargas, Frazetta and others, as well as 50's style pinups in general. I make no excuses ;).

Well, I think it is a matter of artistic tradition. This is a picture of the "Venus of Willendorf" - all T*ts and A**es! But - mind you - this work of art ist 25,000 years old! It's a 4 inch high limestone figure, it has no face but very fancy hair (couldn't Kozaburo do something like this :).