Looks really great. What about the mane, will that be a separate piece like hair?

It'll likely be a separate conforming item, like the Charger's mane or my own transmapped freebie. I hope this one will have a fully-modeled mouth. I've contemplated making the P4 horse Mimic-compatible for years, but it doesn't have teeth or a tongue.

can you increase the bone density? His bone is too light for his body. (his legs are too thin) Looks good though.

and while I'm at it...his knees are too high. Way too high.

are his ears poseable and are there facial expression morphs? A world of image making could exist with one good horse s Hate to harp on it but puhleeez do something with his legs.

I don't think the legs are too thin if it's mean to be a quarter horse - looks very much like ideal quarter horse conformation to me ;) - but knee is too high and the eye looks a bit small. It does need more bone for most other breeds. And please do give it teeth and tongue.

The neck looks especially nice.

Will it take P4 horse poses or am I going to have to start from scratch again?

I think it looks good. Tons of breeds like dogs. I wonder what breed it is.

I agree with Movida on the legs - they're too dainty compared to the rest of the horse. Will it have morphs for leg thickness ? And until this is moved to showcase, will it follow the dog and have a LE version and then tons of add ons ? ~S

Having worked with horses all my life, I have to second the motion that his bone structure in his legs is a bit too light. IMO, the body is ideal for a QH, but the legs too thin, knees too high, and hooves too small. He has Thoroughbred or Arabian legs on a QH body. I'm not sure if the eye just appears small or if there is too much lid closed over it.

He's definitely a big improvement over the P4 horse, that's for sure :)

The hooves are definitely on the small size but on the whole it looks just like the QH type they were trying for in the 80'shalter classes - big muscluar body on delicate legs with tiny hooves - a fad that didn't last long, of course as soon as they tried to ride the poor things to any extent they tended to go lame. :)

Anton, you're right, it really should be in the Product Showcase forum. I think it was posted here by mistake. I asked one of the admins to move the thread. Sorry for any hard feelings! Cres - who has a little experience with thread bumps. ;-)

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Daio - Exactly. Too small feet = Lame horses :) We don't want a lame Milhorse. I still think the knee and lower leg are much too delicate for that body that is being displayed in the sample images. As far as proportional goes, anyway. I'd much rather be able to morph a horse to an 80s QH than have it's body shape be that of one all the time.

I like the lean, thoroughbred look. Leave the legs, and change the body to match. ;-) And please, please, get MoonRose to do some textures!

Why'd the 80's QH fad with tiny hooves start in the first place? i am none too familiar with American horse breeds, but QHs are the rodeo horses, yes ? didnt they need a solid base to stand on ? ~S

And yes, my family likes black horses ;)

i'm sooooo happy they're making a new horse..... even if it has small flaws! i can hardly wait for it :)

It was a halter thing not a perfomance thing - they wanted these really super-muscled horses for some reason. Of course, they Arab people want them to act insane in halter classes...why I don't show my Arab in halter classes - I'd much rather he remain his laid-back self.

I can get the current P4 horse to look decent but it's a heck of a lot of work (and postwork) so I'm looking forward to a better horse too.

Arab halter class.. now theres some memories. Been ages since I have been in a show ring. All in all, I'm looking forward to a new horse. The charger and the p4 need to be retired from my library :)

Looks pretty good to me! I'm not a horse person, but I was working on my own Poser horse, it does (also) look to me like the knees are a tiny bit too high and the leg heavyness is a slight missmatch for the rest of the horse. I wonder why the triple bands of mesh on the belly, I can't think what that would be for, other than some kind of belly-stripe morph... I wonder if DAZ is going to do something special with the mane and/or tail? That is something I wanted to do for sure past what the P4 horse has. Mind you, I hadn't figured out exactly how to do what I wanted... ;-) I hope this isn't moved to Product Showcase, BTW.

ribcage morphs, maybe ? I dont mind the thread's location. I am just enjoying horsing out :-D ~S

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I wonder why the triple bands of mesh on the belly ....

ribcage morphs, maybe ?

Definitely rib morphs, for those half-starved/zombie/nag/beating-a-dead-horse pics.

Yeah, I thought of that after the post, but horses don't often show any rib bumps, do they, unless they are starving or something? Like I said, I'm not a horse person, just a mesh maker. ;-)

spinner: I went and looked at the Gelders Paard, very nice, that's what the Millennium Horse should look like. If you're going to do it might as well do it right. Reminds me of one of my favorite breeds - Cleveland Bay (carriage horses). Nice to know there are a few horse people here s

I, For one, will be glad to see whatever they come up with. As they said..this is a work in progress..and they posted in order to get feedback. For my 2 cents worth, I hope they don't make us horse lovers start all over AGAIN in collecting textures and poses. Either that, or give us a decent selection of textures and poses included in the original package

Well either way I am sure you will be able to morphs or scale it to certain degrees. And you know there will be morph packs down the road too.

Actually it's not close to a Morgan. As a long time Morgan lover and former owner of 2 Morgans, he's way too body heavy to be Morgan type. I'm with Daio on this one, 80s QH. Definitely :) Morphs, rib or otherwise, will be very welcome. Morphing the current P4 horse is a challenge at best. I'm sure the mapping will be totally different from the old P4, considering the looks of this new mesh, so all new textures I would imagine. A conforming poseable mane would be great as an add on.

I looked through my books. I think it is a thoroughbred, anglo-arab or a Hanoverian. The horse looks fantastic. BUT...if it is still WIP and you are wanting input, then the knees are too high. And the shins are too spindly, even for a Persian Arab or a Show Pony. I would thicken the shins. I couldn't find a breed with shins that delicate.

The drawing in #41 also has his knees too high and hind legs are bad, the bone in #44 is beautiful and the WIP horse is also "back at the knee" at least on his right front and looks "toed in" on his left front. Conformational errors in the model will make posing much more difficult and unrealistic. As long as it's a WIP might as well mention it. If they post full frontal and rear views and full side views it'll be easier to see for sure. Hope they fix it and I'm not being a shit here, but these things are very important.

"I say chop that one off completely and just have conforming ones." "I say all the hair be conforming with long options that are layered, curly, and staggered." Yeah, that's a good idea.

Why would it be too late to work on it? Don't they have "saves"? What did they use for source material? Did they have anyone that had ever even seen a horse look at it during the modelling phase?

#5 looks faintly green to me too, but only after you mentioned it and I went back and look. I was too involved with his leg conformation up to now to notice s Got to go to work.

On one of my monitors it does look a bit greenish but it looks fine on the other. shrug

ah might be the lights.

This does look like an vast improvement... The biggest things I see so far are what everyone has about the hoofs and bone size and also the neck in the first wireframe pic with the horse grazing doesn't look right either. It shouldn't have the bump in it. A morph would take care of that though. Ed

Oh great, while you're at it can we have Sancho's donkey too? And a mule as well?