Ok, since I got a few requests off line and some people complained I removed my sample pic from the following thread, http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=1757549 I decided to repost my version of Wonder Woman for those who were curious. I wanted to show Billy T's really cool Wonder Woman suit and how I converted it to Vicky 3. Attached is the pic. Now notice the detail in the top and the nice belt and shorts. Sorry the boots aren't pointy like the comics. Maybe a morph target could help that. The ability to add gold reflect to the fringe pieces really makes the suit just stand out. Add to that some freebie props I've picked up along the way and you have a whole ensemble for the Amazon Princess. I also took liberties with the shorts and added some stars and used a bump map to make them stand out. Disclaimer: This picture maybe offensive to some of the more sensitive viewers on the forum. This picture has been edited to remove breasts, hips, bare legs, make up, inaccurate bracelets, inaccurate boots, any kind of sexually inducing glance, stare, smirk, smile or wink. It has also been edited to maintain the memory of the great female character from DC comics. Pregnant women should not look at this photo. If you are on any kind of blood pressure medication, do not view this picture without consulting your physician. Side effects include mild or moderate skin rash, sleeplessness, sporatic diarehia, abdominal pains and shortness of breath. Symptoms varied but were not enough to cause people to stop looking at this picture. Wonder Woman is property of DC comics and this picture is in no way an attempt to cheapen, harlotize, slutize, bimbo-ize, tramp-ize or otherwise besmirk the good name of Wonder Woman. No otters were injured in the making of this picture.

For some reason the phrase, "Can't see the forest for the tree's" comes to mind here. From the small parts I can see it looks good but alas censorship and opinions are in full bloom it would seem ;)

The neck looks great.

hehe. Best laugh in awhile. People are very picky about their commic book heroes. Anyone rememebr Cathy lee Crosby as Wonder Woman...costume by Addidas. :) As my friend Ed says, "I could swallow a spool of thread and throw up a better costume." lol Don't let criticism get ya down. -Anton

ROFL! "harlotize, slutize, bimbo-ize, tramp-ize" hahahahahaaaaa... Go go go Mason! :] Fish

I must warn you - her collarbones (ESPECIALLY the right one) offend me terribly! I DON'T expect my superheroes to have collarbones like that, my childhood memories are trashed! My self esteem is dashed to pieces! My dreams & my future are naught! And it's all your fault...... I'll have to phone the League and get them to wreak revenge!! :] Fish

Mason - pretty good but the stars are wrong. ;)

Anyone rememebr Cathy lee Crosby as Wonder Woman...costume by Addidas. :)

With villainy by the ever-suave Ricardo Montalban ....

I made by own Poser2 version of batgirl once. She was a from a storyline I wrote where Barbara Gordon was paralyzed still, but uploaded herself into a virtual reality of Gotham City the Joker was hiding in. After uploading she was free from her chair. I think creative liscence should be encouraged.

ah yess...Ricardo Montalban...He is good in almost anything.

Ricardo is/was smooth, too true, but I kind of always percieved him as sort of the second coming of the (IMHO) GREAT Gilbert Roland! With a tip of the sombrero to young Anthony Quinn now and then, i.e., in "The Ox-Bow Incident". But I diverge. Forgive me, I'm old. Larry F

I think when he is old, that guy who plays Lex Luthor in Smallville will be cast in all the mastermind/villian roles. You don't see alot of young actors who can do what the old hollywoood greats could do with villian roles. All the actors nowadays just yell, scream and use sarcasm. The older actors were quiet, cunning, and steely.

Starting a new thread for the purpose of insulting other members. Not even keeping it to the original. Classy.

Respectfully, I don't think any members have been insulted. At least I don't see any names mentioned or anything.

FyreSpiryt - as stated earlier, some can't see the forest for the trees. Anton - Unless you've been into the other thread, you wouldn't think that. Mason - good of you to handle this like an adult and in a mature fashion. I salute you.

No otters....I notice that you left out many other aquatic mammals!

Saw the other thread. All that over a WW costume and boobs? Wow. BTW I have Billys costume And I would love to see it converted to V3.

I'd just die to get my hands on that Batgirl pose..and maybe something similar like that suit for V3...

I'm not the one who's uptight about breasts now am I? And the point of my original posts was to show the suit. Get that? The SUUUIIIIITTTTT. Billy T's Wonderful SUUUIIIIT. I had a couple of old pics so I thought I'd share what the suit looks like on WW. In fact, expanding the suit merely shows how versitile it is and how well it adapts to body shapes, unlike your which would stretch the texture and distort it. Its you that has the hang ups about the character and about body parts, not me. The fact you keep mentioning breasts in your posts over and over and over and over seems to verify this fact. As for Wonder Woman... In actuality I consider Diana and her ilk to be no better than an island of KKK clansmen and I have little or no respect for the character based on that aspect of her alone. When Paradise Island's worst law is allowing a man on the island I gotta think what would be the KKK's worst law for their island if they had one... Sorry but you appear to respecting and admiring someone who practices hatred, bias and discrimination along a sexual line to a very horrid and extreme point. These aren't helpless fairies. Anyone who can beat Superman up in a fight is NOT helpless. Plus her culture is relativily stagnant for nearly 2000 years, certainly not a sign of a growing, healthy community. Now I'm not too up on the whole WW storyline. I'm sure there are some lame ass attempts to explain how some group like the KKK or black panthers are so wrong yet an island of women who activily and violently discriminate against men is somehow overlooked. I also noticed Amazon Island is lacking in fat girls, squat girls, mentally and physically hadnicapped girls, ugly girls. Yup, a place can be peaceful if you eliminate everyone who's different and eliminate all diversity. And yes, Cage would have sucked as Superman just like Sandra Bullock would have sucked as WW. It would have been a PC liberal disaster just like every proposed Wonder Woman "empowerment" script has been.

*sigh* This and the other topic that is was spawned from is getting rapidly out of hand. I loved the WW tv show growing up, I continue to love the comic book( I am a 35 year old mother of three kids so dash an images of a teenage fan boy) and I feel the version of WW be they the tv version, the slender Simpson version, the silly Sergio Argionnes(sp?) and even the latex big boobs versions are expressions of artistic imagination. I mean really, you are attacking other people's works because it's "not Diana"!? For heaven's sake, the creator of WW (Moulton I believe his name was) had WW as fetish piece to begin with. If you look at the first run of the thing, she's always being knocked out, tied up, or having catfights! Over the years, she's been stuffed in every kind of style that was fashionable at the time, be it body suits ala Mrs. Peel or strange wonder biker outfits. I myself have several different versions of her if you wish to look and it never ceases to amaze me that people accuse me of being sexist with some of those versions...but it's the nature of the beast with particular character. And I find it annoying that images are being critiqued not for flaws in actual tranmission of the idea, or for any violations of tos(which there isn't) but a knee jerk reation because it violates your precepts of what this character ought to be in your minds eye. I believe there is are two words for that...censorship and repression.

Dear Mason-actually in the present continutity Themiscyra actually encourages all great thinkers no matter what the gender to come to the island and teach( well at least before the island was blown up.....but I digress). They do indeed point out some of your key points that they are stagnant and intolerant just as much as the "Patriarch's World" p.s. much though I would love a WW movie, I did breathe a sigh of relief when Sandra Bullock opted out. if they ever do it...I hope the let Lynda Carter play Hippolyta!!!

You are proclaiming that people aren't allowed to make images that don't agree with YOUR vision. I never said that you didn't have the right to have your concept of what Wonder Woman looks like, I resented your insuation that anybody else's concept is less valid simply because it differs from yours. As for my render, it's no more a parody than covers done by Bryan Bolland or Alex Ross who do work on Wonder Woman on a regular basis and whom I hold in high esteem for their work.

post 19 "It's not the character of Wonder Woman." That's where.

Wow Lunaseas! That's a real good suit and character! I like the foil Ws and the suit isn't sprayed on but a real suit that fits well. Bracelets look real good too and the composition on the faux cover really works well. Drags the eye around the picture using her body as reference. I'll post my version again. I had some people want to see it. But of course, I'll re-render it with the Veronica Vixxxen chest magnets cranked all the way to 0. Maybe they might be flat enough not to cause a stir. Actually I've always wondered if the comic ever dealt with that issue.

Lunaseas - I pretty much agree with Rattler. Your version the breasts are buxom but not so large that the person litterally would not be able to do much of anything, but in particular, blocking bullets. In order to move fast enough to block a bullet, those things in front of her would throw her completely off balance and that would be it. Also the point was missed that it's great that the Billy-T outfit can morph like that but those interested in something like that for making a WW accurate to what they have seen in the comics, would not make her breasts that large. It looked more like a porn paradoy of the character, which I found to be tasteless. Big whoop de do. I doubt the world will end over my opinion of something.

Ok here's the rerendered pic witha few less gallons. Again the focus is the suit folks. Ratteler, I'd post both but I would hate to emotionally scar you. The original was an old pic I had laying around which I wanted to show the suit from. I didn't think someone would have a cow over it. Again you bring up boobs and not the suit. How about talking about the suit, which I thought was the original intent of your thread.

The problems I see with that suit are: Firstly, it seems to be way too padded up top. It doesn't look so much that she's big-breasted as people are complaining about, but that there's a thick layer of foam rubber in there. Secondly, the belt is too loose. Incidentally, I suspect the negative reaction comes not so much from her body shape as from her face, which is rather vacant-looking and unheroic.

In answer to post #29, maybe you are not saying directly that people should be actively disallowed to post images not corresponding with what you consider to be the received idea of what WW looks like. But if, as has happened, two people post images that don't show due "reverence", and those people then have personal abuse directed at them, it amounts to something similar. The fact is, I think some people here are confusing form and substance. By substance, I mean the character WW. By form, I mean the accoutrements of her costume/equipment. If you made a WW film starring Kate Winslet as WW, then you would be justified in criticising that Kate Winslet is not much like the comicbook character, yet the message of the film is that this IS WW. On the other hand, if I had a Poser Winslet-lookalike character, and I dressed her in a WW costume, and posted the result saying that this was Kate Winslet in a WW outfit, then you could maybe complain that the character didn't look enough like Kate Winslet, but not that it didn't look like WW. Mason didn't say "this is WW", he said "this is how Billy-T's WW costume fits V3". He could have given V3 pink hair and green skin if he wanted, so all the criticism directed at him was completely unjust. Otherwise, next time you see a 12-year-old kid walking down the street in a Batman outfit, you might as well drag it off him, complaining that Batman doesn't look that small and weedy, and it isn't showing due reverence to the character, and the bat insignia is the wrong colour.

Hey, I'm not taking any "sides" here, but I think she looks like Barbara Carrera - remember her? - with too much collagen. Just an observation. Especially with that look/expression.

Folks, really. Are you shut-ins? On the 27th this thread was added to from 2pm to 11pm - 9 hours of typing squabble (at length even) over boobs, someone's work, and a wonder woman image... I don't mean to chide really, but when you read it all at once, it reads ridiculously. Gosh, try, try to resist this kind of expenditure of your brains and energies. : ) Dave

I meant to say that the bulk of the posts on the 27th were from 2pm to 11pm - there was even an early morning batch of posts on the 27th. (in case someone looks and sees - I didn't include the morning stretch because there was a gap of time between it and 2pm when people actually found they could sleep over this) : ) Dave

Phantast - reread what Mason posted. This is NOT the same image. This is a toned down breast version of it. To answer your comments - the belt is loose. And this body is much more athletic looking and more accurate. The facial features are not what I would expect, but not bad. Kindly point out in my post where I abused anyone? I may have commented on the image posted, but I did not abuse anyone. I said that the breasts were too big to work for that character, which agrees with my post above that states it's more like a porn parody of the character. Same with the one you posted. I never commented on either one of you, I never called for the images to be removed, I never said you could not create these images, nor did I say you could not post them. I gave my opinion on the images posted in regards to a character I happen to like. I didn't even really notice the outfits because the images looked so ridiculous that I really had no desire to look at them for longer than I had to. If this bothers you and Mason, it really shouldn't. If it continues to bother either of you, then maybe you should look to yourselves for the issue, not here. I know that every image I post not everyone will like. Big whoop de doo. My world is not coming to and end and neither should yours. There is nothing unjust in my comments to either of you. And actually if you posted an image of a Poser character that looked like Kate Winslett dressed as WW, depend on how it looked is how I would comment. I looked for the athletic build, right hair and eye color and the costume. I wouldn't pick on the 12 year old kid, but I still think there could have been someone better than Michael Keaton. I thought Daredevil movie sucked a$$, I will not see Superman if it's Nicholas Cage and I will not be seeing the new Catwoman movie. It's not about the character I know as Catwoman, Selena Kyle, but about someone else's interpretation that it way off from the comic and I'm not interested in that character.

Can I complain about there being to much make-up on Wonder Woman and how it detracts from her being in tune with nature and created from clay to be perfect? ;) All teasing aside, it is a great picture, great suit, and a great render, though I would like to see the original that started all the controversy.

"Some of my favorite porno's feature women with big ol' honkers like you put on your Wonder Woman" Big ole honkers? Um Im sorry but not all Big breasted women are in porn. I know tons of women with big breasts who are regular women with regular jobs. The breasts arent allways implants either. Im sorry but that just got my ire up.

I actually know two women who had to have breast reduction surgery. They constantly had backaches and as soon as that was done, they were all set.

How about we just drop this whole thing. Its like drunks at a party arguing whether Willey Coyote should catch the road runner and then a fist fight breaks out and someone gets shanked. Phantast got it right. First off I just put the suit on a character to show off the suit. Secondly the suit is padded in the front a bit so irregardless of what dial setting I have, it still sticks out. After hiding the suit I notice her original chest size was the same as the first WW posted on the original thread (Ratteler's I think). Third, I do make adult material so most of my poser stuff is set up that way. Yes she has way too much make up. But again, its about the cool suit that seems to have disappeared over time and I wanted to show that this obscure suit is still pretty viable and looks good. So lets all stop being the comic book store guy from the Simpsons and move on. "I have a very rare issue of Mary Worth in which she advices a friend to commit suicide."

"How about we just drop this whole thing." Sounds like a vaiable plan. "First off I just put the suit on a character to show off the suit." Initially not a bad plan. My thing was that the boobs were so big as to be obnoxious that the suit was lost to me and I couldn't stand to look at it. The version you posted here, the body is much better, and more accurate. This image is flattering to the outfit. "Third, I do make adult material so most of my poser stuff is set up that way." Nothing wrong with that. But, when you post into a thread, it would be helpful to note the tone and content of the thread and post appropriately to it. "So lets all stop being the comic book store guy from the Simpsons and move on." I really never thought of myself that way. In that, just because I didn't like what you posted, didn't mean that I don't feel you have a right to create and post it; it just means I don't like it.

elektra wrote: "Kindly point out in my post where I abused anyone?" Ratteler wrote: "The question is... did I direct any abuse at you? " Did I say either of you two did? Yes, Ratteler, it's against the TOS, but I don't care so much that I have any intention of reporting it. Now, for my part, I shall draw a line under this.

Yes, before I start counting the hours again... : ) Dave

Dave, if that wasn't a cross-post, you must have replied in SECONDS.

Phatast - this is directly out of your post #36 above "But if, as has happened, two people post images that don't show due "reverence", and those people then have personal abuse directed at them" Yes you did say personal abuse was directed at them, since Rattler and I are the only two from the other thread posting in here, it was giving the impression you were referring to one of us, if not both. If you were not referring to me - no harm, no foul. If you feel I owe you an apology for this, then I offer an apology. Does draw a line under this mean the same as you're done with it? That's a new term to me. :-)

As far as I can tell his toned down version of Wonder Woman has breasts that are too damned small for her Costume and I'm gay and not into breasts but damn, Linda Carter had bigger and better breasts than Mason's Re-Render! I'll punch your light's out if you call Linda Carter a Wonder Ho for having big breasts!

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Well honestly with this costume (Billy T's) you do have to expand V3's chest a very good deal to make it fit right. If you look at this pic using v3 and that suit I really had to work on the pose so you don't realize just how chesty she is.

How did you make the shiny?

Materials room, this was done in p5. I love the materials room:)

If I might be so bold, that came out nice. I would like to say thanks. Nice tip of the hat to a great character.

I kept waiting for someone to bring up the dread subject of John Byrne, but it never happened.

And of course Wile E. should catch the Road Runner ....

(My sympathies usually lie with the predators.)

Ack...not Jim Byrne...twitch...twitch...I think I was supressing that!!

I've always equated Wonder Woman with Linda Carter. Had such a crush on her when I was 9. Hmmm... looks like I gotta go back to work on the Wonder Woman pic I stopped working on a couple of months ago.

Where did you get the bracletts?

Dee's slave bands appropriately enough...I got them from Rosity free stuff, don't know if they are still here.