by the way if you read my post that posted before this one. heres what the template is looking like for the time being perhaps i'm messing up. dont worry i just added the uv map over top of the tex for this pic to show that everything is lined up correctly or at least to my eye it is. jeff

whoops forgot to resize the pic :o)

Jeff, Have you tried simply painting on an existing Vickie texture that DOES "sit" correctly? That's usually what I will do. I don't really mess with plain UV maps anymore, except when I've made an object that I've converted to .OBJ that doesn't already have UV info. I'll take a Vickie texture and use Painter 6's "tracing paper" thing so I can see the underlying texture at 50%, and then simply paint over it, when I want to start fresh. Also, you can simply alter a pre-existing texture as I said. I'm no expert on UV maps, but it looks to me as though you're just slightly shy of making it all the way around her lips. To me, UV maps are strange and mysterious things, but I had a similar problem with Posette's eyes when I was painting over the UV texture, with no reference texture to go by. It's cool that you are so committed to making your own texture from scratch, but you'll save yourself alot of time and aggravation by finding one that's already done, and you'll learn alot by comparing it to the UV map as you do it. :) Don't let it drive you crazy man.....MUCH more fun awaits when you get to the eyes! You just have to experiment some more. Cheers, Mike

yeah, thats what i tried starting with and it didnt work but ya know i think i finally got it i've been playing around and i tried selecting the lips in the render options and also for the eyes and it came up that no texture was aimed for it so i aimed my new tex to each of those and it took jeeze all this trouble and it was something so very simple. oh well vicki is one that you have to learn to get everything just right so much differant than posette. i still want to thank eveyone once again for the help that they have given me and as soon as i get the tex just the way i want it i'll send it to free stuff we really need more vicki texs jeff (someone please pass the glue and rogain gotta put my hair back in lol)

Jeff, Glad to hear it! I downloaded your texture that you posted her above and applied it to Vickie's lips only, and didn't have any trouble with it not fitting. I was just about to post when I saw your new message. When I first got Vickie, I also bought the textures to go with her, and I made the same mistake, since I was used to using "texture changes apply to entire figure" for Posette. It would have been awfully nice if Zygote could have included some info or a help file or even a simple "Read Me" with her! But, once you know this stuff, you'll never forget it! Chers, Mike PS One of these days I'm going to get around to actually finishing an entire Vickie texture and post it too. Also, good luck with the hair! yours, that is