It's allways interesting to see how many hits each image makes. As soon as the "nudity-flag" is on, the hits are coming in. I have allways big differences between my images. Sometimes when I get frustrated of the little number of hits I just post a nude Victoria and my "stats" starts to raise again ;-) Do you guys have the same experience?

Suffice it to say "Sex Sells" that's just how it is from cars to liquor. What cheeses me off is folks who wrongfully use the "Violence" and "Nudity" flags just to get hits, you click on the thumbnail expecting to see something cool, but when the image opens, nothing but some dumb badly composed image.

You just now noticed, LOL???

Yup, I have the exact same problem, ah well what can ya do :D

point well put!, The images in my gallery with the words nudity in them out hit my other images by up to three times.

I have 2 identical images posted side-by-side, one with clothes (and marked as "with clothes") and one without and marked "Nudity", their stats: Nutidy: 829 viewings, Ranking: Excellent (8 rankings, 11 comments) http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=316233 None-Nudity: 574 viewings, Ranking: Excellent (3 rankings, 5 comments) http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=316737 ------ On the same note, I have 2 versions of the same image; one not marked and one marked "Violence" (not really any violence but due to gallery policies it's 'better safe then sorry') Non-Violence (and posted first): May 17, 2004 71 viewings http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=672788 Violence (and posted 6 days later): May 23, 2004 80 viewings http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=677211 ---- HOWEVER! On a lighter side, my most recent posting went to the Comics gallery with niether Nudity nor Violence and it has recieved more hits than anything I've posted since December: "The Drop" (Poser & Comics/Cartoons) 304 viewings, Ranking: Excellent (4 rankings, 15 comments) http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=682327 ---- But then again, my most viewed of all is not only marked as Nudity but has a big "Censored" tag on it's thumb! "Touching Up" 1645 viewings, Ranking: Excellent (25 rankings, 37 comments) http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=58620 ...followed closed by one that simply states, "No nudity, just embarassing" "But, My Lady..." 1075 viewings http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=109819 and (with nudity): ""Indecent Exposure"" 1237 viewings http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=204335 So from all this it would seem that even if you state "No nudity, but..." in the header it will induce hits...?? Very odd.

True but only to a piont. If you look at what images really get the most hits, it's the one that you can see there is large amounts of post work in the thumbs.

Oh! not stating it in the title and getting more hits anyway. That is because the search engine picks up the image if you just have it checked for nudity even though it's not in the title.

"Only the tits get the hits" has long been the rule of the Rosity galleries. Some people who do fractals and the like have even gone so far as to make sexy pinup thumbnails for their abstract images. That does increase their hits to insane levels, but it's hard to tell how many of them are due to the sexy thumbnail, and how many are due to people clicking two or three times, wondering why the thumb doesn't match the image. ;-)

sirkrite; the "No nudity, but.." image is not tagged for nudity as it has none in it, but since my thumbnail might suggest to some that there might be I chose to add the commnet to the header just so the Mods wouldn't freak out, yet simply having the 'word' nudity even thou it is preceeded with the word 'No' seemed to induce a hit count...probably got some 'skin searchers' ticked at me too since with all those hits it didn't generate as many comments or ratings as the others ;p

"No Nudity" Still has the word nudity in it and will be picked up by the search engine. :)

that's the way pubescent boys are......and they also think they have to use crude language to get attention..

My most commented image has the HouseMouse driving a Lego car... Granted, it IS naked tho... :D

My most commented image is A Touch Of Gothic {18} sugestive but no nudity, same with my most viewed Laura in Latex, 2300+ views just a touch of nipple showing but I don`t remember if I used the nudity flag or not.

An interesting ratio to me is not only the amount of hits to the image, but more the ratio between the amount of hits and the ammout of comments. It seems like a lot of those hits on the nude images are from people who aren't even members of Renderosity but just perverts and, well, you get it. I mean, right now is an image on the Most Viewed List called "Big Breasts" (nothing against the image itself, I haven't seen it) but notice it is NOT on the Most Commented or the Best Rankings List. I dunno, maybe it doesn't mean anything; still you have to wonder...

I consider it a comfort to have a low hit rate. It tells me I'm on to something meaningful with my work. I'd be much more worried if my work started drawing the attention of the masses...who are the masses anyway? I've never felt a part of "the mass" so why would I expect my work to be of interest to those who belong to it? The few who understand my work are all the more precious to me for "getting it." Anyway, just my opinion...

Its still the same old story ... sex moves the world ;D

Sex is just as much a base need as wanting more hits on ones pics to stroke ones ego

Including items by me which I did not intend to be sexy. For example, some of my models (in this consecutive order) have had this amount of downloads:- backpack jetpack with foldable wings 193 flame for my backpack propane flamethrower 536 Posable 2-ended excavator ("JCB") 830 armbands for my wetsuitmen & wetsuitwoman,texmaps 73 riding crop 1198 gunflash for JHoagland's Blue Thunder helicopter 286 subskimmer 520 Army camouflage (640*640 .jpg file & Bryce texture 537 I put the riding crop in because I bought a riding crop because I horse ride at a riding center once a week.

My most commented and most viewed image does have a lot of nudity, but not in the way you'd expect. The T&A factor is something I exploit from time to time but I don't lose sleep over my ratings. As pookah69 said, I'm grateful that some people get my ideas.

hmm there seems to be a difference if you put 'nudity' word in the title itself rather than "just" putting the flag. saw that most of my nudity flagged pictures would not get much hits, let to say more hits than others, but the ones when i put "nudity" word warning in the title, well, they does. i never put nudity on my thumbs though only the flagf. i guess that it would be interesting to make a thumbnail that centers/focus on a nipple just to see how much it rise :) anyway i don't really care abotu hits, rather more about comments (any kind of) cause they help me discover people whom i may like art and learn from (if they liked or at least commented the crap i do, they sure must share some tastes with me in a way, so their gallery will hold some pics i may like too)

I agree with Riddokun, I'd rather have comments than hits, as long as the comments are meaningful. In general, I'd say tits=hits, but my most viewed pic "Guess Who?" actually has a pair of feet as the thumbnail: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=544060&Start=25&Artist=karen1573&ByArtist=Yes Maybe R'osity is full of secret foot fetishists?! I've also found that other application galleries get better comments. For instance "Sunset in the Bullrushes" is in the Vue gallery, and has just 142 viewings, but 23 comments! http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=541732&Start=37&Artist=karen1573&ByArtist=Yes

Yes, I've found the Vue gallery is excellent, as far comments and helpful feedback goes. Don't know if it's because they're smaller, or more professional, or what, but in the Vue gallery, you're much more likely to get useful criticism. They'll tell you what's wrong with a pic, not just gush over how excellent it is.

I did an experiment once, a while back on this..created a model with mamms the size of Mini-Coopers..and it got 180-odd hits..the 2nd highest of mine at the time..but still the highest (500 hits..wow..I'm just cracking 300 on one..;) I have is not only completely clothed, but armoured as well, so ya never know.
Bright colors, suggestive titles, T&A, and thumbnails that hide more than they reveal..all hit makers..or that's the formula..;)
1198 downloads of a riding crop..hmmm..well, at least it's popular..;) more power to ya..

Seems logical. :] Fish

I'm with Riddokun, I love the comments. If I could get only 50 hits on an image but with 45 comments I would feel it was a successful image, even if half were critisms. And what really floors me is when someone puts me on thier favorite artist or image list, I walk around with a BIG smile all day. Many images that I see that get the most hits are the gallery favorites. For example, if Turtle posts an image then BAM the hits start happening and comments gallore. Now I have to say that I dream of being someday half as artistic as Turtle and others as skilled but I just looked and the last post from Turtle was 06/11 and it already has 534 hits and 34 comments. In 2 days that almost matches my all time hit count and is several times over my comments. Not complaining:) just observing what gets the hits.

Hits are nice, comments are better. But the best of all is when someone adds your picture to their favorite picture list or you to their favorite artist list. That gives me warm fussy feeling all over! :)

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=679353&Start=1&Artist=Tyger%5Fpurr&ByArtist=Yes

If you do something like this you get good hits too.

"If you do something like this you get good hits too." You also get votes. It's a superb image.

My images always get higher rating if they contain nudity, and I must admit that sometimes I am swayed by that fact(although I do like to render nudes). Sometimes I'll spend weeks on an image that doesn't contain any nudity but is complex (for me, anyways) and, in the end doesn't really receive much attention. Then, I'll just slap something together in a couple of minutes (with obvious nudity) and render it, and get all sorts of comments and approval. So, sometimes when I need some feedback, I'll slap something together quickly and render! :)

You also get votes. It's a superb image. :) Thank You Actually I meant that posting it to a forum gets more hits :)

-19 pics in my gallery -Nudity in all pics but 1 -Nudity in most titles -No Nudity in any thumbs -Most hits "Waynes World", 1,277,7-Rankings,14 comments I would venture to say that while nudity may increase hits it's no gaurantee or magical formula as some seem to think. All my pics except one contain a degree of nudity. I have found that for me the category I upload to seems to have more to do with it than anything. I have found that pics I've uploaded to, Fantasy, Goth, people etc. don't have any where near as many hits as pics I've uploaded to Pinups (which I also do), with the exception of one I uploaded to Religious/Spiritual which got my second most amount of hits?. What's with that?

Sorry, but I have to chime in: Some of you seem to construct a contradiction, like "nudity = no art", or vice versa.

Why don't you invest as much work in a piece of ART that contains nudity? There are many real (as opposed to hobbyist) works of art that contain nudity all over the most distinguished museums of the world.

Sex sells, you say - well, right so! Sex is the most attractive and basic interest for NON-pervert people. So why not attract hits with sex?!?

Sorry, rant mode off for now.

Willy

Message edited on: 06/13/2004 13:20

Owww, what an afternoon (local hour). I never will post again a message in a thread which says "tits" My mailbox burns today...

You mean like this, Fish....? :P

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/gallery.ez?ByArtist=Yes&Artist=JHoagland

*If you do something like this you get good hits too.* You mean like posting a link to your image in the forum? Sorry, I couldn't resist. lol :-) This is a good idea, though. :) Another way to get a lot of hits (and maybe some good comments and ratings) is to think about your thumbnail. A good shot of a woman's face will usually get more hits- certainly more than the expliotive (and cliched) thumbnail which shows a bare chest. But, are these thumbnails "better" than compressing the entire image? It all depends on what you want to the viewer to see. I saw this phenomenon happen back when I posted the images for my *Day of the Ninja* comic: at the time, every image was getting 60-70 views. But, when I posted a thumbnail which showed the face of a woman, that image received almost twice the number of views. I still wonder why. That page was no different from the rest- they were all from the same comic, had the same subject matter and contained no nudity or adult content. --John

"Why don't you invest as much work in a piece of ART that contains nudity? There are many real (as opposed to hobbyist) works of art that contain nudity all over the most distinguished museums of the world." Agreed. For my own images, some of my nudes are "art", whatever that is, some are just pinups. However, I never, ever just "slap an image together".

Yes, Sam, that's what I meant - "work of art". There lies the border line - not in "nudity or not nudity". Willy PS: I find it amusing (to a certain degree) how much weight is given to this topic.

My most visited image, by a wide margin, has a thumbnail showing a female face in close-up. It is just a reduced version of the image itself, but I bet lots of people clicked on it hoping it was a 'teaser' for a more revealing whole... ;) On the other hand, my least viewed image (discounting recently posted images here) has a thumbnail showing Mike, clothed, holding a tennis racquet. However that one is a teaser, and the image itself contains 6 (clothed) females as well. So to those who didn't go any further -> :P

I MUST do a 3-breasted pinup one day, honestly! The idea's been in my render queue for a long time, I really should get it done. :] Fish

I don't believe the point of posting is to get hits, it's actually two-fold: 1.) to get in the practise of putting your work out to the world, 2.) getting constructive feedback. Posting in these galleries achieves the first point quite well, hence the focus on how many "hits" we get. However, few people are willing to say anything more meaningful than "wow! this is great!" or something equally vague. Don't get me wrong, I'll take the "this is great!" comments, which for my work are rare. However, those types of comments matter far more to me when they are made by friends (in the real world) and people who can help me get my work published.

As an unspoken rule, people are not allowed to say anything negative about an image. And in the rare instances that they do, they are quickly labeled "trolls" and the artist winds up crying that someone posted a negative comment on their image. "What do you mean the shadows aren't right? I can't stand this place any more. I quit!" As a result, many comments have been reduced to the generic "nice" or "how cute" or "that's adorable". Those may be good ways of saying you like the image, but it doesn't exactly help the artist to hone their skills.

Which is why the current galleries are utterly useless as a learning tool. This is a rampant problem in fanfic, as well. Little children who want to play writer, and insist on wrapping their entire ego structure up in their created characters. It makes it impossible to edit them, and Ghu forbid you point out grammar and structure errors that the first 5 pages of Strunk and White point to. That's the main reason I rarely post renders; I'm still very much in the learning stage, and proper critical feedback is vital (Note that 'Ohhhh Duuuuuuude, that SUCKSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!' does not qualify as feedback. That -is- being a troll....or a twit. And yes, I could shred that 3 minute render of mine above). And ERC is short for error correction. It uses a glitch in the Poser 3-axis joint scheme to allow crosstalk between joint parameters and body section morphs, to both correctly control how those morphs are affected by bending the joint, and to correct the joint offsets, so you don't get a body part breaking to one side. Crosstalk itself is a =major= bug in the Poser animation system....and has been used as the basis for at least a dozen different expansions of Poser's functionality. That is what so many relative newbies keep missing; most of what Poser does has nothing to do with CL. When P4 first came out (just as an example), with support of transparency mapping, it was Kozaburo in Japan who created the first transmapped hair prop (for free no less, as they remain). Everyone else picked up from his free work. Most of what has been done so far as 'cool features' have been based on work done by users, not content providers or the Poser code team. DAZ has been running into this issue a lot with DS; content from the current 3rd party Poser creators either will not work, or are very broken, because DS does not have bugs in it that were exploited, and turned into features by creative people.

It is a sad fact of the galleries here, overt sexuality gets more attention. I tested this myself recently, if you look at my last 2 gallery images, its a scary difference. Its understandable though, if you're hungry, you want to eat a hamburger. And if you're a human, you want to see nudity! :)

It is possible to give constructive feedback on a picture without posting it under the image to point out a fault to the whole world. I find I get nice responses back when I give them that kind on feedback in an IM. :)

Message edited on: 06/14/2004 16:07

eferrier: yes i know what you mean sometimes i spend time on a picture, becaue trying to learn new postworks technics, trying to correct bugs and fix it as best as i can... put time into it and try to make it meaningful.. and it got the least attention. on the opposit, i can do a very simple/casual thing (fro me, according to little skill i have) and many people will like it and ask me about how i made thi dumbest effect of mine :) and i mean it is always surprising to have praises or such comments frompeople who have pictures in their gallery that i would dream to even make one day :) one of the last picture i made was trying to push my own limit a bit further and i put time in it. got very few hits and comments...