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Subject: How much interest in premade Bryce content?


Lyrra ( ) posted Sun, 24 October 2004 at 9:12 PM · edited Sat, 25 January 2025 at 7:46 PM

My apologies if this is a little out of place.. but I figured it would get overlooked if I posted elsewhere. With the new influx of users, how much interest is there in premade bryce content? scenes, skies, objects ... what kind of things would you like to see out there? I know most bryce users prefer to make things themselves :) but figured the newer ones wouldn't mind a hand ehre and there. After all .. noone can be good at everything. Lyrra



Slakker ( ) posted Sun, 24 October 2004 at 9:22 PM

What about Jesus? Good old J.C. was good at everything. I don't know, i think i'd like to have a selection of (free) bryce objects at my disposal, even though i've been using Bryce for quite some time. My modelling skills leave something to be desired, most times...lol.


Quest ( ) posted Sun, 24 October 2004 at 9:53 PM

Lyrra, theres always been lots of interest in Bryce pre-made stuff. Just take a look at Bryces freestuff forum or simply visit Bryce resource web sites, youll find tons of free stuff everywhere. Folks here are always downloading things to use in their image compositions. Just upload away.


Lyrra ( ) posted Sun, 24 October 2004 at 10:48 PM

er ... perhaps I was not clear enough. Sorry. I mean more in terms of a subscription type site. And sorry for a commercial post. Lyrra



Rochr ( ) posted Sun, 24 October 2004 at 11:37 PM

If youre talking about commercial products, im sorry, but it doesnt work that way here. We have a way here at the Bryce forum, to share things for free. Of course, its up to you if you want to sell stuff, its no law against it, but i would be surprised if anyone her would buy.

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Kemal ( ) posted Sun, 24 October 2004 at 11:45 PM

Yep, Rudy said it all, sharing is the only way, no offence ment by that...:)


Flak ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 12:09 AM · edited Mon, 25 October 2004 at 12:15 AM

Heya Lyrra,

I'm not too sure how much interest there would be in stuff like that - I think your best information would come from asking some of the people in the marketplace here that try to sell bryce stuff and see what they say.

The bryce community (here, 3dc, ...) seems to be fairly solidly into freebie mode, unlike the poser community where commercial products are a given these days. A thread about the commercial content aspect of bryce showed up at 3dc pretty soon after DAZ had bought bryce I seem to remember (though it may have only been a part of a thread that went that way).

I think one of the difficulties that starting up a bryce market targetted at new users would have (as opposed to a poser market, for example) is caused by the different requirements that a new user has to get started with the different specific program.

Using poser as an example, a new user needs pretty realistic rigged figures, good textures, and conforming clothes (ok.. maybe not necessarily the clothes, but you get the idea) all of which are pretty much beyond the beginner's skill set to create themselves. Hence they need to buy them to basically get to the entry level of the poser world.

For Bryce, a lot of the basic needs for a beginner are a lot more easily realised - terrain, trees, oceans ..... are all one button affairs to get you to an entry level of the bryce world (though, just like in the case of poser, to go beyond the entry level takes a lot more effort). i.e. it takes a lot less effort to paint a terrain up to the desired shape than it does to model a human figure. Hence, the newer bryce user doesn't need to buy things to get to that entry level. I imagine the same thing would apply to Vue as well.

Anyways, I hope all that makes sense. If you can get it up and going, good for you, but I think it would be hard, not only for the "bryce users are into freebie mode" reason but also from that entry level requirements thing.

Editted for typos

Message edited on: 10/25/2004 00:15

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Lyrra ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 1:05 AM

well this is why I ask these questions you know? I've been using bryce since version 3 .. so I know full well the freebies that are out there. (and I've taken advantage of them and given out my own in my time) So perhaps a site with more complicated models, preset for bryce? things that are difficult to model like buildings and vehicles? or is that area fairly well covered by model sites like 3dcafe and turbosquid? Lyrra



kiwi_gg ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 1:23 AM

Nil Budget!!! Subscription models NOOOOOO!!!!! Freebies are the only way for me, and heaps of other bryce users. One day when I have found the right software for me, and learnt how to use it, then I will be creating freebies as well. I really appreciate the skills and generosity of those who create and donate their models for the likes of me to use. There is much more to life than money, which brings me to the Daz buys Bryce thing, I am concerned how it is going to affect me as a bryce user that Daz is all about Profit and the Kiwi $ is worth only 1/2 of uncle sams, are people like me going to fall by the wayside simply because we don't have the money to continue with something we love. I love this community, I love what its members stand for, but most of all I love the careing and shareing spirit of the Bryce community.

Cheers 8)
GG

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LunarTick ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 2:26 AM · edited Mon, 25 October 2004 at 2:27 AM

Lyrra, i'm a member of turbosquid and if you can find any free models on there for beyce you are lucky. I'n the past 3 months since i joined that site i have come across 4 or 5 models for bryce, they mostly have .3ds .max. gmax .lwo freebies and their prices are way out of my range on their models even the ones i can use in bryce.

IMO, if there was a site that delt with models, skies or anything for bryce i would join it without a problem. I am sick of joining sites that mainly cover things for Poser(yuk) 3d studio max, lightwave or anyother stupid 3d modelling program.

Yes i know others like using those programs but as far as modelling goes well i can't even model a cup yet :) PS: I rely on others for their great models, if it wasn't for them Bryce would have become boring for me.

Message edited on: 10/25/2004 02:27


Zhann ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 2:58 AM

As a merchant with Bryce items in the marketplace, and in general, a regualr in the forum here, I can say that Bryce items for sale, unless it's something you can't make or duplicate is not profitable.... If you need something for Bryce anyone here is more than happy to help out, we have, what 122 assorted DTE mats up for dl in the header, a modeling thread, so if you need something someone will model it for you. This is a sharing community here, and a Bryce subscription site, well I don't think many will sign up, why pay for what you can get free? But that's just MHO, you could try it, but I wouldn't expect too much..... Zhann

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pogmahone ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 3:53 AM

hmmnnnn....I think most of the people replying here are very expert, and ackshelly GIVE stuff AWAY for FREE, so they wouldn't be your potential customers anyway :^) Not being an expert, I do buy materials - specifically terrain mats - because I want an easy solution. I would probably also buy trees, if they looked a lot better than the Bryce trees. And water surfaces. Another thing I could see selling would be 2d planes with people, trees+forests, cars etc. Also, looks like a lot of people buy 2d backgrounds for Poser. That kind of thing could be made in Bryce, couldn't it?


AgentSmith ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 4:05 AM

I myself would actually like to see more Bryce content in the Marketplace, yet (as stated before) with ALL the freestuff you CAN lay your hands on for Bryce, whatever would be in the MP that is Bryce specific, had better be Kick-Ass, period. ;o) It would have to be something really cool or superior, something we couldn't do ourselves, easily. Perhaps "set" pieces, like a collection of building pieces that could be inserted from the create presets, etc. Especially, if they already had Bryce mats applied. I keep thinking of doing some Bryce stuff myself for the MP, but like I said, it would have to be very superior. AgentSmith

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AgentSmith ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 4:10 AM

Little bit of a cross post there. I think the most difficult DTE to do is Terrain materials. I would purchase really well done Terrain mats, there is actually not THAT many really great, free Terrain mats out there. "2d planes with people, trees+forests, cars etc" You might as well make the product generic, so any 3d program could use it, not just Bryce. Yeah, I see a quite a bit of Bryce renders being sold as backgrounds for Poser going through the MP (I'm a MP tester) AS

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Flak ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 4:25 AM

Pog - scott tucker (scotttucker3d) has some bryce trees in the marketplace here, and I think foleypro (?) has some freebie 2d tree plane things about.

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pogmahone ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 4:43 AM

Sometimes I do kinda feel that experts in Bryce have an 'anyone could do that, how dare you try to charge for it' attitude, that actually impacts badly on Bryce itself. So anyone hoping to use it for commercial objects or textures, or make money from their expertise, are attacked for daring to even think of it. Y'all know whereof I speak ;^) It's a great thrill, if you've never used 3d before, to find that you can point and click and make a 3d scene. That's most people's introduction to 3d. The easier the introduction, the faster most people learn, and start experimenting on their own. I think a starter pack of objects would go down very well, and a starter pack of scenes (not sure if Daz are doing that already?). I lived for years on royalties from paving systems that I designed. That's using my expertise in mould design and concrete casting to make money. In The Real World that's considered a normal thing to do, I think the same should apply in Bryce. So my advice to Lyrra is to go for it. And think 'newbies want to point and click'!!


Zhann ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 5:34 AM · edited Mon, 25 October 2004 at 5:40 AM

Thanks, AS, something to work on, Terrains Mats, I love the DTE, would be fun to make some....:)

'Not' being a Bryce expert, I really don't buy much Bryce stuff myself, I usually can make what I need in the terrain editor or DTE or PSP, just takes a little practice. I do check out what's in the MP and freestuff occasionally but the only Bryce stuff I've bought, and that was when I first started, was JBA's terrain mats, and Tony Lynch's marbles, so I could see how it was done, plus there's a ton of tuts on both the terrain editor and DTE some written by Jonathan B Allen himself, which are extremely easy and informative, you get the results the first time you try it..... I guess what I have a problem with is the 'subscription' site concept, I have nothing against selling Bryce content, I just don't want to 'subscribe' (read 'pay for' content I may or may not find useful) whether I buy stuff or not. You would have to have an exordinary amount of new Bryce content every day to keep subscribers happy....that's what they would be paying for after all.

Message edited on: 10/25/2004 05:40

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TheBryster ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 9:29 AM

You could argue that as Bryce is a 'budget' product it stands to reason that users are budget concious (ss) too. We have seen pay-for products do well here. HMS Victory being a case in point - although I don't know how many peps bought it. The thing is, as AS said, it has to be a 'kick-ass' product to make us want to shell-out the sheckles! Lyrra may not have noticed that somewhere in this forum is a thread for peps who would like to have something made by the 'experts',(http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=107&Form.ShowMessage=1801272) My point being that if you are desperate here, help is always at hand. And if Zhann isn't an expert - I'm a brain surgeon!

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foleypro ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 9:56 AM

There are somethings that would sell for Bryce...But not much,When we were neglected by Corel we had to come up with the Solutions ourselves and so there came all the freebies....


Lyrra ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 10:12 AM

Thank you all for your input. We're certainly taking it in the spirit in which it was given. Lyrra http://www.cyclopsstudio.com http://www.poserworld.com



pakled ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 1:31 PM

mats, mats, mats, mats, Mats! Wonderful Mats!..hey, I like 'em..;) I think I've got some of your stuff Lyrra (of the Maddrill lyrras?..;), so you can't have too may freebies..of course, the good times only last until folks find a 3d modeler, and discover they can make their own..of course, you can get around that by being the better modeler..;)

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Quest ( ) posted Mon, 25 October 2004 at 8:29 PM

Yes, Foleypro hit it on the head. ; ) But DTE mats, are always in demand because its the hardest part of Bryce to learn. But to learn it, you must play with it.


dougocd ( ) posted Tue, 26 October 2004 at 1:26 AM

I personally wouldn't pay for a subscription service, but I see nothing wrong with selling Bryce stuff for profit. After all, many forum regs do it already. On occassion I buy a model or two. And I've sold skies in the past. Rochr wrote: "If youre talking about commercial products, im sorry, but it doesnt work that way here. We have a way here at the Bryce forum, to share things for free." Rudy, I don't get this. Lyrra is merely asking if there'd be an interest in her idea. I don't see selling at the marketplace or on her site as something bad. Or am I missing something?


Rochr ( ) posted Tue, 26 October 2004 at 5:19 AM

Hey Doug. My point was that we usually share the stuff here for free. How many here would like to see this forum turn into something, where every second message is a "buy my new model". Theres nothing wrong with selling the stuff in the marketplace or on a site if anyone wants to do that, i didnt say that, but i seriously doubt that most people here would buy pre made Bryce products. As long as this forum dosnt turn into an advertisement page. :)

Rudolf Herczog
Digital Artist
www.rochr.com


dougocd ( ) posted Tue, 26 October 2004 at 3:32 PM

I don't want it to turn into an advertising forum either. She was just asking if folks would be interested in her Bryce products.


AgentSmith ( ) posted Tue, 26 October 2004 at 7:24 PM

Couldn't turn into a advertisement forum anyway, not allowed. You can post WIP pics on MP items you are in the process of creating, but it can't be a finished pic saying "come buy it", or "its now ready", etc. There ARE Bryce products in the MP and they do sell to some extent, but I believe to have good sales it would need to be a really great item. (yeah, I know, "duh....AS") AS

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Lyrra ( ) posted Fri, 29 October 2004 at 10:37 AM

Due to the reaction in this thread and elsewhere my partner and I (Steve Shanks of Poserworld) have decided not to support Bryce at any point in the near future. Any replies ahould be sent via IM as I will no longer be visiting this forum. Lyrra Madril ps Pakled, yes .. I'm that Lyrra



pogmahone ( ) posted Fri, 29 October 2004 at 3:03 PM

deja vu :^(


AgentSmith ( ) posted Fri, 29 October 2004 at 3:10 PM

Lyrra, I think most people know how you are, (I do, anyways) and sorry if you were somehow offended? But, it's just a public forum, and their are various opinions rolling around, and were all bouncing off each other here. But, you know that, you've been in and out of this forum since what, 1999? I guess sorry for my ignorance in figuring out what we did wrong(?) AgentSmith

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Rochr ( ) posted Fri, 29 October 2004 at 3:45 PM

Apparently its not just us, since it sais "elsewhere" as well. No offence Lyrra, but you did ask and we answered in a,IMO polite way.

Rudolf Herczog
Digital Artist
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AgentSmith ( ) posted Fri, 29 October 2004 at 7:26 PM

As polite as we get here anyway. ;o) Sorry for any unneccessary roughness there. AS

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Ang25 ( ) posted Fri, 29 October 2004 at 7:40 PM

Well I think if Lyrra ever reads the rest of this I'd like to add that most of the regulars here in the forum may not purchase Bryce content, but there are plenty of people that may. I think it just got confusing what was being asked. If you put out a good product there are people who will buy it. Its just most of the people here have the ability to get what they need for free. But we are not all the brycers that are out there.


striving ( ) posted Fri, 29 October 2004 at 11:23 PM

I just wish there was this kind of blunt honesty in the gallery comments and with voting.. :-


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