Just a couple of things I'd like to say, specifically in light of recent heated forum topics. I've always said what I had on my mind, when I felt confident that the target audience knew me or otherwise shared a close opinion to mine in whatever disagreement I had. To state that this is not how a diplomat would act or pulling other such lines from one's gluteous maximus is more than a bit over the top, as whatever tidbits of personal life I choose to share with you all represent a priviledge of our friendship and not some innate right that can be thrown around and trampled on by anyone who pleases. So in plainspeak, if you make such comments, you may kiss my white diplomatic ass. Whenever these things happen I feel an incredible urge to pull a hissy fit and leave. The same issues pop up in my head over and over: Save all my works, delete them, take my freebies out, cut access to my site, and cya. It's not a hissy fit per se as much as the general feeling I'm taken for a freak in a side-show to some greater party somewhere. I don't think that the time or effort I've put into this community, however small or large, can truly be placed in a balance with whatever unfulfilled promises some opportunist hack decides to make. Thankfully other forces in me tell me to relax, sleep on it, and if I truly feel the same way in the morning, then I should go ahead with whatever my heart pleases. I thank whatever or whoever is up there that this doesn't ulitmately turn into a beggar's tale of attention, but rather a slow drawn-out debate to the ultimately simple solution I face: leaving. Moving on... I'm leaving for Romania tomorrow. I will get internet access sometime soon, at least be able to visit this place in 3 or 4 days. If I don't, then you may post sillyness in regards to me, and/or worship my body parts for years to come. Drac (my spleen specifically)

hope to see ya back on here soon drac, you're a valued member of our community :)

havent known you for a long time, but i think i'll miss you. Goodbye and goodluck CZ

good luck

Wellll....? We all leave and we all get bashed on this site...I put it this way...If ya dont like me WHHHHOOOOOOO gives a Crap...I am here to help Brycers out first then 3Dr's next and not the Petty Whinings of a few Individuals who are out to disrupt anything they can.... Dont give out Personal Info to anyone....

just one question,.... are u leaving your boobies behind?

Mrs Drac.

did you just say what i think you said about wings? OMG!! flashes his man boobies for rj drac

i feel kind of dirty now

You both need help.... DR.AS...? Help these two individuals out with a little Potion will Ya...

I don't think AS wants to touch this thread after that whole sweaty man boobies thing.

Drac
(I know I wouldn't)

Message edited on: 11/01/2004 09:02

I'm happy in my sexuality, (at least i dont go to secret meeetings of Nekkid Vicky enthusiasts, or Wings Anonymouse).

nothing wrong with WA :P

Bye Drac, will miss ya for the few days you'll be gone. You'd better come back! Hugs

but i heard that prolonged exposure made your brain dribble out through your ears, .....or was that a Bryce render plug-on. . . . who will keep the lawyers busy in your abscence? . . oops better get back to ....work (say it quietly)

Attached Link: http://www.geocities.com/top_render/

Good luck with the moving and the new job pal. And hurry back so we can have TEH SPHERE, TEH CYLINDER etc... :)

Well I think Drac will make a very good diplomat, whatever we've said in the past and taken the p*ss out of him. He proved that with all the trouble he's gone to solving the spy-ware problem in the Robby files. Good luck in Roomaniac and see you soon right back here!

Hey, we're supposed to get Rumanian poll watchers tomorrow in the election. If I see any cuties..you want me to give them your name?..;) (We're also getting Ukranian ones, but how would I tell the difference?..;)

LOL..at pakled.. MEN! Drac..I thought the forum sorta haunted everyone who left? you know..like one of those secret service thingummies..u can't leave..u in it for life.. AS knows all your secret doings, everything you say, write, do..kept in a secret database.. and since you heading the diplomat way..you under strict survellience.... :-)

Have a nice and safe trip home Drac and see you soon back again!

haven't made that step forward up until this point to formally meet you, but having lurked around in the shadows here, I really have admired and appreciated your sense of humour, talent and contributions...best wishes only to you and hoping soon that you will once again be a daily fixture/resource/blight around here so we can become acquainted and trade witicisms, barbes or just plain old insults (back slapping would be permissable on occasion) ;P L

Well, I'm not saying goodbye Drac, just CYA later. I figure you will have to stop by at least occasionally to get a Forum fix. Best of luck with your relocation, and I hope your new job is fulfilling as well as sustaining. :-)

Good luck and hurry back. Don't start any wars unless you can blame the other guy.

What will I do without my regular dose of Drac. I am suffering withdrawal symptons already!

Hope to read you soon again, Drac!

So long,...........you'll be back. You may want to leave but this forum won't let you leave(yeah, I finally saw "Event Horizon" last night.) You have been an inspiration to me by your example. Please try and find a way to get back to us. You're the fly in our ointment, so to speak. I will leave my drac shrine in place(as I stated before, my cat Rusty likes to use it as his scratching post). One final thought,...........I was watching the movie "Patton" last night,..........there's a line at the end where Patton(refering to the Russians) says "Give me 2 weeks and I'll have a war with the S.O.B's, and make it look like they started it, I'll kick they're asses back to Moscow where they belong" and, God's honest truth, I thought of you. Now go be a diplomat, try to get the politicians of the world to trod down the well worn paths of logic and reason. Sincerly and respectfully,....sackrat. P.S.,...........I see dead Poser people.

hey drac, you should think about calling that thing TEH-RENDER :P

Renderosity are like alcohole. Once you have gotten the taste for it, then the cravings will never go away. I'm beginning to feel it now :o) Hope you get back online, cos I like your style :o)

Hurry back soon Pal, gonna miss you. (from the heart) Safe Trip. Rod

Yessir drac, have a safe trip, be all important and stuff.

Whoa, don't know who drove the nails but I can certainly send them a nasty spell-o-gram......;] If you truely leave I will miss your aceberic wit, and immersive passion for what you do, but follow whatever your heart tells you....and good luck with the job, you will make a most excellent diplomat because of your passion, and ability to see thru facades....see you here soon...

Zhann

Message edited on: 11/01/2004 15:46

Ladies and Gentlemen, Drac has left the building! See ya when you get back...

Shoot reading that first post certainly left me feeling like Drac was leaving for good, of course I wasn't really reading to whole thing. Don't leave DRAC! YOU ROCK! WHOO!

Woohoo Drac! Come back soon! I guess there's no disputing that he's the voice of the forum (except for AS of course ;) )

I may get a reprimand for saying this, may even get banned,...........and I usually don't take such measures, but,(throwing restraint of pen and tounge to the wind, just this once) @pumeco,.......go to a lumberyard and buy some wood, so you can build a bridge and get the f*** over it ! Hope I'm not out of line here !

Ha.... For one thing Mr.Pumeco and Drac we all are not out to hate anyone and Bryce never had anything to do with what you and alot of Mild Manner folks had to do with around here...AND Sometimes things get twisted out of Reality and it really comes down to one thing...WHO gives a Crap when our lives are so short as it is,WHY worry over the Little stuff.... I am here to help out Brycers anbd 3Ders so I have this to say.... I WILL BUY THE FREAKIN GLOVES AND MAIL THEM TO YOU BOTH AND YOU CAN GO OUT BACK AND BEAT THE LIVIN CRAP OUT OF EACH OTHER..... SEE YA....

Message edited on: 11/01/2004 23:22

Pumeco - actually, I think those words were directed at me. Drac is well able to go on the attack, as you'll have noticed, so I'm sure he'll find a way to deal with the fact that someone said 'boo!' back at him.

Empty Space between my ears !?!? I resemble that remark. I come from a long line of empty spacers,.......and we're proud of it to. YeeHawwwww !!! However, I have enough gray matter to spell dilettante. You know,.......I was going to explain myself but,...............the heck with it. It ain't worth the time or effort. Oh,......actually, my head's pretty good sized,.......a 9 I believe. Time to go crank up the woodchipper. Buh-bye.

My god, is it that bad, lol ??? I know, I know, world has come to an and, Draculaz as a devistator and destructor of a major CG business and dicovery, lol !!! Self-importance and ignorance will never be key to success ! :) Time to close this thread and go on with the life, I guess, and good luck to you in Romania, Draculaz, see ya arround, man ! :)

Good luck Drac, hope we'll see you soon...even if it is on "dial-up"!

Ha Ha, in Romania ??? Most likely !!! :P

OOOKAY TIME OUT PEOPLE!! 1st of all... where did drac attack pumeco again in his post here?? did I miss that part? @pumeco: "Just like you, I also want success, and I feel I have my life pretty much worked out in terms of what I want to achieve. If I fail then I'll probably take a pill to end it all, but in the meantime, life's to short for all this flame-throwing. PR aside, I'm working like crazy to make other plans for the site, a reality. It's far from easy, so I ask you politely... ...please stop trying to ruin my dreams, I have never attempted to ruin yours. Don't make my life harder than it already is." Now, what I am going to tell you now is not a personal attack to you but an advice, so please take it that way okay? You REALLY, and I mean REALLY should not focus on just one dream, I can tell you from my own experience, you cannot look into the future far enough to make such dreams work all the time. You always need one or more back-up plans, never focus on just one goal, 'cause if you do you'll most likely end up being stuck and having to start all over again. "Anyway I quit. FK PRO-RENDER, and FK Bryce for that matter. I have more important projects to supply for my site. I've had enough of trying to be polite in this forum, that doesn't even know the meaning of the word. Oh yes, almost forgot... ...thankyou to this forum in general, for turning a Bryce enthusiast... ...into a Bryce PRO-HATER PRO-HATER PRO-HATER Anyway I quit. FK PRO-RENDER, and FK Bryce for that matter. I have more important projects to supply for my site. I've had enough of trying to be polite in this forum, that doesn't even know the meaning of the word. Oh yes, almost forgot... ...thankyou to this forum in general, for turning a Bryce enthusiast... ...into a Bryce PRO-HATER PRO-HATER PRO-HATER " Okay, now you lost me, a bryce enthusiast turns into a bryce hater because people can't believe in his product that is being promoted for months, but never launched? Why does this sound strange to me? A true bryce entusiast would not abandon his software 'cause of other people's opinions, it just makes no sense. Such sudden decision to go from promoting a bryce 'plug-in' to being a bryce hater only makes me feel even more like that there never really was much of a PRO-RENDER product? And finally, did Drac cause this again? I don't see him causeing any of this so please don't blame him for it okay? Drac is a good guy, never afraid to tell what's on his mind, a lot of people could take that as an example. And unlike a lot of people, he has well thought out opinions, not just 'hunches'. Oh, and btw, this is no ass-kissing, this comes from the heart. DRAC RULEZZ!! Stop accusing him of your mistakes.

oh for heaven's sake..where the hell did Drac say anything about anything in this post? All he said was a temporary goodbye.. that's it. have no idea why wld anyone want to flak someone for doing just that..and then get into an issue over someone they've never met.. and that too..esp when he ain't there to defend himself. pure waste of time. Ought to be used brycing. Everyone..grow up please!! I normally keep my mouth shut over things like this..but this is pure stupidity.... There are better things to argue about in life.. than to hold grudges with anyone over anything. Life too damn short. I am off to bryce..too much time already spent just expressing my say on a useless issue.

This is very sad. Lets look at what we've gained since Len first posted about Pro-Render: A LOT of heated threads, accusations, mud flinging, but still no new Bryce procedures. We've gained nothing, but we've lost nothing either. As before, this will die down and will be forgotten again and we will carry on as we were. Len, mate, we've spoken on several occasions and I'd hope you'd listen to my reasoning without discounting it. You're the only one who's lost out here. You've spent months getting pro-render ready, endured a rough time in the forum and you've finally decided to give up a package you've worked on and indeed using a program that you obviously love just because a small percentage of the voices in one forum have questioned your motives. I hate to say it, but that just sounds spiteful to me. I for one was looking forward to seeing and trying Pro-render and I'm sure even the doubters would have loved to try it. Now I'll never get the chance and do I care? yeah, but will I lose any sleep over it? No. It would have been nice to see, but on a scale of things going on in my life, it's just not that important. I hope you take this advice in the spirit in which it's intended (to save you more hassle), if you do change your mind and finish Pro-Render, wait until you can release it before posting again. If you need to bounce ideas off people, use IM to speak to the ones you know you can reason with. If you really decide you're done with it, then I wish you luck with your future projects and hope you take some of the lessons you must have learned from this with you. To Drac, sorry about the continuation of this hijack. Hope you had a good flight.

sackrat put it better than I could I was watching the movie "Patton" last night,..........there's a line at the end where Patton(refering to the Russians) says "Give me 2 weeks and I'll have a war with the S.O.B's, and make it look like they started it Hats off to Drac for succeeding in coming off as the injured innocent in this thread ;^)

Correction on post 45~! "And finally, did Drac cause this again?" should have been: "And finally, where did Drac cause this again?"

hope Drac enjoys his flight, good luck at the new job whatever it may be. Thanks for all the good times and help iin the forum and chat. Hope they get electricity in romania soon so we can gain from his presence again. To every one else, thanks for all the fresh views in my gallery, on a freinds cpu and the kids are up so I can't leave have the page up to check for new comments. Could check for ebots I guess but oh, well.

Well, I'm a day late and another dollar short! :( @Drac..Hurry back soon, my dear one. I will miss you until then. --------------------- Ps..in this Forum, if we cannot relax and be ourselves outside of our RL jobs, then where can we go?

To Drac, I hope you're flight is uneventful and wish you every success in your new life in Romania. I have the feeling your diplomatic career could be something to watch out for. Even if you still feel like leaving just do as you said, sleep on it, 'cos even a little break can do you the world of good. Anyhoo, you've got to come back 'cos so many of us would miss you terribly if you didn't. 8) I haven't been in here much recently so whatever happened to explain Len's outburst I have no idea. His post does feel a bit off though, since from what Drac said, in this thread, he is only telling those he considers friends what will be happening over the next few days. Nuff said. 8) Catlin

I have removed what were posts 36 and 38. I thought it would have left DELETED BY PUMECO messages and left the posts intact, but obviously not, sorry.