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I should have added i enjoy visiting America to work and am far from hating the place but the facts are that in a recent world poll the US was officially unveiled as the most hated country in the history of the planet ,This may be due to the fact that there are so many people on the planet now but perhaps it might put this whole USA is better than the rest of the world thing into perspective. Hey if the US is so loved by Europeans then why have we got "Come visit USA" on every TV break and why does the US government now fund upto 85% of fuel costs on plane flights from Europe . Like i said i dont like tittle tattle but then again i dont like people attacking Europeans and talking absolute shit.
Were not infested with anything and i didn't say i dislike america myself but if you think that everyone in the world loves america you have a big shock awaiting you ,If you actually believe after what has happened in recent times that americas relationships with the rest of the world are unhurt then you are fooled ,Im not here to moan about the US but then why do people on this thread decide to moan about Europe because the Europeans have an opinion on something ,Im sorry but just because we fall in line a lot with america does not mean that we have to do so on every issue and certainly not this one which is so biased ,Im actually ashamed that a thread on a GFX forum has been dragged into this debate but it has and it was by an american not me ,If you would like to review the poll i mentioned you will have to track it down through a paper called the Times here in the UK ,Sorry but it wasn't important enough for me to keep the paper ,If you actually believe however that this isn't actually a true claim just think about it and stop kidding yourself. This isn't america versus the rest of the world here you know it was an open discussion about differences in prices at E-ON until someone had to pop up and say hey its your fault you live in Europe ,That is absolute rubbish and just shows the level of thought that went into making the statement ,The fact that you are arguing a point about americas popularity just goes to show that you know nothing about the world feeling outside america ,Perhaps this is the fault of your press who knows but dont be fooled into thinking that america is loved world over because it really isn't.
I would like operaguy to explain how the US$ dropping against the world's currencies is because: "The Dollar is strong and the rest of the world's currencies are revealing their innate weaknesses." This should be interesting... I would like to bring myself in-line with bungle here. Nobody was bashing America and nobody was complaining about anything that really had to do with living in "socialist" Europe (remember we are talking about before tax prices). I'm not sure why it had to be dragged down that path. My side point was that the low US$ is current US government policy. This is well known. They will not state it explicitly because some Americans won't like it. But, their intention is to try to diminish the negative impact of the massive trade deficit that the US has to deal with by making US goods cheaper to buy. I know it has worked on me because I've bought more photography equipment from the US as a result of it. Of course, the stuff wasn't actually made in the US....
Speaking only for myself, and please remember there are two of us responding, I am not dragging the conversation down, I actually have been attempting to understand the specific 1:1 problem, and offer a deeper solution (see post 14 above.) There is, yes, one specific here: the issue of whether E-On should stay at 1:1 or instead have a different price in Euros. However, the underlying problem of why these currencies are changing against the dollar is certainly involved. If the were no increasing gap, then 1:1 would be fine, right? All I suggested is that within the framework of the FACT of the gap, that it is just as easy to describe it as World Currencies inflating against the solid dollar as it is "The World is just fine, healthy, strong capitalist free economies with good fiscal health, and the US Dollar is weak." I don't have to explain anything. You just have to see the exact same facts a different way. Since you are "in-line with bungle," that logically means you hold the view that the World hates America. Not that YOU do, but that The World does. This veiw colors people's interpretation of the widening gap. They are so indoctrinated to disparage the US, they are on automatic US bashing mode. They see it (blindly) as "the Dollar is weak." I say, World Currencies are inflated. As to the emotions that seem to have been stired up at the suggestion that Europeans lower taxes and reduce socialism as the solution to the exchange gap? You are responding as if insulted. Now, put the glasses on again, look the other way: imagine our emotions when your governments and intelligensia DEMAND, practicaly scream at us to deploy gigantic tax increases and to deform our monetary policy. Now, I have to take the following position. This is my last post on this thread. Therefore you will have the final word, no problem. The reason it is my last post is that the tone of the last two responses from you begins to depart the former calm argument and descends down the road of negativity. I am not going to be party to another thread freeze and get a warning from the Renderosity moderators. I will not respond to anything else. So, good night to you all. ::::: Opera :::::
Not all software companies uses 1:1. I bought XSI Foundation a while ago and payed ((Price in $ * Correct currency rate) + shipping + European tax). I'm a happy buyer ;) When it comes to V5I i will get it, but it's just because I allready have V4P so the cost will be acceptable even at 1:1. Had I not had V4P then there would be no chance that I would buy it. Hmmm, European taxes... As allready mentioned her it's not the taxes whe are complaining about, I could even consider to pay more. It's the price before taxes. It's seems to Our American frieds that whe just pays are taxes straight out in the air, the fact is that whe also get money back. Whe have (depending of country) low cost or free, medical care, dental care, child care, school, social security etc... As a comparison, sending the kids to higher school in US might cost as more than a house cost while doing the same in Europe might cost about the same as a small cars. So, no thank you I do prefer my current country over the US. Just say no to Software Pirates!!!! (And that includes I do both kinds of them)
I've been a bit distracted by other matters for the last several days, so I haven't checked back in on this thread until now......let's see..........
Sorry i dont normally get involved in tittle tattle but did somebody really say that when Europeans visit the US they never want to leave
Hmmmmm. Since no one said that, you must be arguing with the wind.
What I actually did say was:
In my personal experience, and in the experience of many others that I know -- nearly all of the Germans (another slight mis-attribution on your part: I did not say "Europeans") that I have worked with in the US ended up wanting to remain here. Badly, in some cases.
Interpet the matter as you will......but the circumstances remain the same.
BTW - it's also a bit trickier if one does not speak the language.
I should add though that we do have quite a lot of americans living here in the UK ,Especially funnily enough very famous popstars Madonna Britney and so on.
You are more than welcome to them.
Madonna & Britney. What shining examples for the rest of us.
Madonna must have taken a break from chanting "CH....CH.....CH.......CHYR......NO......BEL!!!!!!" at Kabbalah sessions in order to tour the backstreets of London.
Nothing against London.....too bad that they have to deal with the likes of Madonna. The Royals are embarassing enough by themselves.
Perhaps they're the only ones that can afford to live in out terrible economic systems ?
Could be. It's a possibility.
Sorry but your just wrong the world dislikes america for various reasons and its economic policie is just one of them
The "world" is a very mixed brew.
Personally, I like the taste of the drink in North Carolina. Or in Texas.
In the end, it'll be up to us to fix the mess, anyway.
Our continental European cousins don't like it: but we are the ones who will stop the bad guys. It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it.
Our British friends are in there, too. So far -- they've been up for the job when and where it's counted. I repeat: so far.
The Aussies, too. Especially the Aussies.
Credit must be given where credit is due.
As for the central point of this thread:
It's a fait accompli. One can complain about the price of software (i.e. -- of doing business) in Europe. But until one is willing to do something about the situation where it counts -- in the voting booth, and in matters of national economic policy -- then it's like griping about the wind blowing.
And it's about as useful.
Hmmm, European taxes...
As allready mentioned her it's not the taxes whe are complaining about, I could even consider to pay more. It's the price before taxes.
The prices are driven by the taxes.....as well as by other matters.
A high tax on gasoline makes software cost more.
When it comes to the economy, things are tied together.
It's seems to Our American frieds that whe just pays are taxes straight out in the air, the fact is that whe also get money back. Whe have (depending of country) low cost or free, medical care, dental care, child care, school, social security etc...
Oh, there's a cost involved, alright.
High unemployment rates; lack of incentive to start a business (it costs too much, so why bother?); long waiting lists for badly-needed medical procedures (come to the US, you won't have to wait in line).........not to mention high prices on items like V5I.
Sure. Just jump on the government-provided gravy train, and then get everything for "free". It works. Uh-huh.
BTW - I don't want to "get my money back". I want to decide for myself how I am going to spend it. Not through the on-high agency of decisions made by government bureaucrats. I'd rather have the freedom to make my own choices.
As a comparison, sending the kids to higher school in US might cost as more than a house cost while doing the same in Europe might cost about the same as a small cars.
Oh, we could start a different OT thread about the cost of education......and who should be responsible for paying for it.
Yes, education costs in this country are too high. But the reasons have little to do with tax policy. The reasons have to do with government being involved in areas where it shouldn't be.
When the government gets involved, prices go up. And things get more complicated.
Doctors used to make house-calls. And they charged $5.00 for the effort.
Something must have changed in the meantime.
So, no thank you I do prefer my current country over the US.
No problem. That's to be expected -- and nothing is wrong with such an attitude.
My apologies in advance for those who feel they have to respond and will not be able to - this thread has deviated far too much from the original discussion (Pricing difference between US and Europe fr e-on software). And unfortunately, it has become too polarized. Yes - it is unfair. It is a business practice - some company chose to apply it. Some do not. Some are even worse at it. No - it is not just about making money at the expense of Europeans. Reality is often a lot more complicated than that. Try to run a business and you will find out that, sometimes, you are taking unpopular decisions for all sorts of reasons. Yes - I am 'censoring' this debate in some ways. This is part of my function as a moderator - keeping this place as welcoming as possible :) Please check out the appropriate section in the Vue Forum FAQ (link at the top of this page). I left this discussion go as long as it did to see how far it could go without degenerating. I believe it has gone far enough :) Thanks in advance for your understanding Agiel - Vue Forum Moderator
- agiel - www.linfa.net
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Sorry i dont normally get involved in tittle tattle but did somebody really say that when Europeans visit the US they never want to leave ,Whoever thinks that is very mistaken and i mean VERY MISTAKEN ,I take an extremly large crew over to the US all the time and i can only say that every single last person cant wait to get out of that place ,The crew is built up from a lot of different countries and not one of em ever wants to stay ,The fact that there are people that are going to come on a thread and tell us how great the US is and thats why its cheaper is absolutly ridiculous ,Im absolutly stunned that it has actually been said ,I finally understand how GB got back in.