I have just emptied my gallery, i have had it here... Thanks a lot.....

Well, I would say don't let them get to you, but I know sometimes that is difficult for some. Sorry to lose you...wish ya wouldn't take off like that. AgentSmith

why are you leaving, robert?

I think we would like for you to stay and share your talent and skills but not to discuss politics and religion. So please, reconsider.

To quote myself "So... if she weighs the same... as a duck... then she's made of wood. "And, therefore...?" ... A WITCH! I could'nt help myself but thinking off this quote, because by the looks of it people still have to burn.... @electroglyph: "Here's my sentence", puke...... If you think that it is foul play and that "Lucifer" is just a sock-puppet than report that to the moderators and coordinators. When i saw this tread being i thought "Shit here it goes again, more of this crap", i did not turn that way, but it was all just a matter of time after all. " But instead of reporting it to the powers, people go on with whining, witchhunts and whatever. I have had it, just like 2001 all over again in alt.3d.binaries.bryce, bunch of ignorants, hypocrite...

this goes way beyond my head. i now know what this is about, but i think you're all over-reacting. shrug robert, never let anyone tell you when it's time to leave. never let anyone mess with your free will. drac

...Sorry, I don't understand ANY of that, especially that first quote. (duck, wood, witch?) AS

"But instead of reporting it to the powers" People DID report it, its just that we are NOT online 24/7, the threads WERE locked, just not instantly. I don't know what else to say? :o/ AS

The first is a quote from Monty Python, the holy grail. A scene in wich they want to burn the women no matter what, not because she was a witch but because they want to burn someone anyway. But that's not even the point. Zahn made it very clear that burning people on stake has no place in this forum. Yet some are quite willing to continue it..

The threads were locked to not allow anymore posts. Should they be removed completly? (I was thinking of just removing them altogether....) Or, is there more/something else? AS

If I'm a sock puppet who's controlling me?

OK I've just gone back over my old thread & I can see why some would think I'm just a troll, for all that it matters I used to have a gallery in my previous incarnation on here but during a rather stupid flounce I deleted it & haven't posted a single render here or anywhere else since, that doesn't make me anyone's puppet or stooge.

If it's the general feeling that you'd all rather I didn't post anything else then I will make this my last post on Renderosity & just stick to lurking in future.

Message edited on: 03/09/2005 05:20 ps I sincerely apologise for offending anyone with my opinions in that other thread.

Message edited on: 03/09/2005 05:22

AS, are you being, facetious? Please don't remove them! They obviously are the representation of the feelings and work of many people here. It will pass with time and move on to be the millionth post somewhere down the line. But it should not be forgotten!

Message edited on: 03/09/2005 05:14

RobertJ, don't let a few decide what you will do, I'd like it if you stayed, but it is your decision.

Some of this stuff I'm reading is way over my head, and a bit confusing. Maybe its a sign I'm getting too old. Anyways, at the end of the day this place is for us to Share our Art / Hobby, sometimes topics come up that will be controversial, there will always be some who will be offended. I've belonged to many Forums in the past, present and future I try not to take things too personally. Its unfortunate that RobertJ wants to move on, maybe overtime wounds will heal and he will return.

Exactly. We would like it for you all to stay! (and, I totally should have gotten that Monty Python reference....) AS

I need to cool off in the first place.

But my opinion stands, the witchhunt must end. I agree that people should be adressed when their deeds violate the TOS of Renderosity.

But goddamn, don't let this be turned into a witchhunt, there are people out there who don't like Bush and its security and foreign politics, learn to live with it.

I don't like terrorist either, but i also don't feel anything for Bush and Co.

Respect for those who fell on 9/11, even those who fall in Iraq, as i understand the number of Americans killed in Iraq now stand over 1500 and more than 10x times that seriously wounded.

But.... there is this nagging but.....

Message edited on: 03/09/2005 06:35

Again, thanks for your opinion, but we don't need it! Believe it or not, we can think! sorry that our opinions don't jive!
So, if you leave the politics and religion out we'd be fine.

Message edited on: 03/09/2005 06:38

(to the post I just deleted) Lets keep this thread polite, otherwise it will just turn into a thread like the others. Also, as Zhann (and others have stated before) this is the Bryce forum, not the OT or political forum. We understand such subjects are given to strong opinions one way or another, but this is just not the area to hash it all out in. Thanks, I appreciate it. AgentSmith

Message edited on: 03/09/2005 06:42

You could all talk on RenderGods if you want to discuss off topic issues. irc.freenode.net #RenderGods

;o)

i've followed both the previous threads and didn't deign to comment. i had pretty negative impressions of the render in question, but, felt that the "artist" didn't really deserve the attention he was getting. i commented on his picture, but, purely from an artistic viewpoint....ie perspective, composition, etc. now, i am reading a number of you are leaving the site because of this hoopla. good grief. seems you're cutting off your noses over a set too in the forums. that surely gives the render alot more power than i think it deserves. and, this type of stuff was foreseeable in the forums when they shut down the OT forum. Pop....Pop....Poppi!!!!

Renderosity. A place for pretty pictures, advice on advancing CG art and a place to store that art for others to see. That is all. Yahoo has plenty of religion and politics forums. Suggest choosing the proper location on the web to discuss individual topics of interest. If I wish to discuss things other than CG art, I will go to the proper forum to do just that.

I can't believe you DIDN'T get the Python quote AS. Sheesh. Funny thing is though Robert...if you recall then end of that scene the woman's last words are: "It's a fair cop" Meaning she is confessing to actually BEING a witch. In the end there are things that are said here that create emotional responses...on both sides of an issue...and here I insert the "nagging but" ...but there is a fine line between social commentary and hate mongering. That line was probably crossed and re-crossed in the previous discussion. Is that really reason enough for you to walk away from all that IS good in this community? Rather than leaving I think you should propose a forum challenge: "The Nagging Butt"...produce a non-political render that illustrates this phrase. In the end we all hope you'll choose to stay. All the best, Curtis

The Nagging Butt? Well, I got a pic of my girlfrie....hmmm, on 2nd thought, nevermind.... AS

See. I posted to the original thread and stated that I abstain from religious or political comments. Because no matter what you say, as popular as it may seem, it'll always piss off at least half the people.

Let's get back to making nice, safe NVIATWASes. Hey, Claymor, is your name Curtis too? I've never met another Curtis in my life.

Message edited on: 03/09/2005 09:00

I'm thinking of reviving a political party from the 19th century,.........The Know Nothing Party,........anybody want to join,........our platform on all issues is simple,......"I dunno". We have no opinions on any issues and the depth of our ignorance is staggering. We are eternally vexed.

Sackrat, I think that if you listen carefully, that political party already exists in every country. They have different names now like Tories, Liberals, Labour, Republican, Democrat, Social Union and such.

No, no,........you must be thinking of The We Think We Know Something Party .

sigh..I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused..;)
hey, if you want to clean out your locker and go home, that's your thing, but don't give up on your art, or having fun. Sheesh, if there's one thing the 'off-topic' forums have taught us, is that people here are all over the map (well, mostly scrunched up on one side, but let it pass, let it pass..;)

I understand RobertJ's decision, it's just so unfortunate that he removed his gallery because he's one of my favorite artists for a long time.

Does Renderosity have an "Off topic forum"? That would be great so issues like the one in question can be moved there. Obviously there are issues that are important to many of the members that don't belong to any of the forums, but where else can they be posted?

Message edited on: 03/09/2005 13:41

It is possible to use your art to express your opinions, even about politics and religion. See if you can do so without offending. That takes REAL talent. Anyone can be offensive. That's EASY. Making a REAL STATEMENT with art is HARD. And a sense of humor that doesn't depend on ridiculing someone else's deeply held convictions wouldn't hurt, either. Instead of arguing all the time, let's put some of that excess energy to work creating some worthwhile Bryce renders. Love, John

we HAD an off-topic forum..;) It, and the 'Den' that followed it, were almost nothing but rants, raves, and idealogical battles..more locks than a Houdini escape trick..:|

So .... ... is he gone yet? I left a forum once. Mistake. Entire place fell into even more obscurity and the website was discontinued. Maybe I'll redjoin it someday and begin recruiting.

dont let the door hit ya..... ;-)

@Striving: I am not gone yet, and you where one of the people who suggested that Lucifer was a sockpuppet. Shall we stop with this nonsense here in this Bryce-forum? That was what i asked.

Play nice.....0_o

Well....I say you should stay.You make good stuff.

I counted the votes and the "you should stay" votes have won. So, back to Bryce. ;o) AgentSmith

I want a recount

In the famous words of Yosemite Sam. "STAY!! Ya long eared galloutte"!!

Nope, I counted it all up 9 various ways, while sitting in 4 different yoga positions. The masses have spoken. AS

Thank you, Claymor. It's lovely.