Attached Link: http://www.poser-free-store.com/

I doubt it. Poser is a rather commonly used word. When you ask what a poser is, most people think it is someone trying to act cool who isn't really cool. Probably just when the site has something to do with 3D graphics is there going to be a problem.

You mean like PoserPros, PoserWorld, PoserStyle, MalePoser...

Gonna be interesting to see if they "crack down" on Daz for the PoserPro site.

Oh, that makes SOUND business sense. Close anything with the word "Poser" in the site title -- when your product is utterly dependent on third-party materials. I hope this is just a dirty rumor.

Off and on I have thought about creating a small Poser related site, thought of some good names, but realized that I would be at risk using the word "Poser" in site names.

I guess we could all hazard opinions on the legality or lack thereof, but it seems like no one really knows how far trademark or copyright go these days. There is no doubt that CL could pose some good legal arguments in the case of somebody else using "poser" in a sitename or product name, IMHO.

My guess is that it had more to do with the association of "Poser" and "free store." It may have been the bad choice of a name, because some could take it as being warez.

(quote) "Sorry we have to close poser free store curiouslabs has told us to reaname our website and remove the word Poser from the name if a new free store is coming up only time will show. Thanks for all your support." (unquote)- - - - - -

re:" ... Close anything with the word "Poser" in the site title ..." I doubt it because ... It is possible that CL does not want anyone to imply that Poser is free. = OR = That the website is "free from Poser" ... = OR = That the website is "free of Poser" ... In any case, it is understandable that CL made the request. There may, also, be other factors (content of website?) that are not intuitively obvious to the most casual observer. cheers, dr geep ;=]

RatsCloset at DAZ said he thinks it has to do with a recent court case. Some printer manufacturers tried to sue companies that were selling ink cartridges from Web sites using their trademarked names. The judge ruled that they let it go too long. They would have had a case if they had filed suit immediately, but they let web sites use their marks for years before trying to crack down, and therefore lost their right to do so. That may be on CL's mind.

Still stupid whatever way you look at it. JMHO, of course.

Duz this mean we need a new word fer 80's hair & makeup bands?

Do we need a new word for people who make a lot of noise for little substance, for that matter?

Welcome to the 3D human figures forum.

I seem to recall that one of the poser utilities, possibly PBoost, originally had Poser in the name and curiouslabs requested it be changed.

I have a really serious problem with those who claim a monopoly on words (note: I mean the words by themselves, not the unique way in which one may arrange them.) Language belongs to the entire species, not just certain parties.

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The French language is going to be in real trouble if CL is serious about this. It's hard to find a paragraph that doesn't contain the verb "poser" (to put or place).

Attached Link: http://www.iptablog.org/2005/01/01/a_monster_trademark_case.html

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If Daz changes the PoserPros site name to something else, it might serve two purposes. People will be quicker to forget the unfortunate circumstances of the take-over of the site if it has a Daz-proprietary name, which will also re-inforce the continuing competition between Poser and Daz|Studio. Right now I don't see any brand-name advantage to "PoserPros", but I do see a downside in regard to the recent scandal there. If they change the name, they can start with a clean slate.

Well, NaySayGuy is a "poseur." <----- NOT French ;=]

This makes no sense to me.

Can Microsoft shut down www.microsoftsucks.com?

Apparently not, or else Microsoft would have done it by now.

What about the Drudge Report's rival (such as it is) -- the "Drudge Retort" @ www.drudge.com?

Can Matt Drudge shut them down? After all, they are using his name.

What if someone came up with a website called "posersucks.com"? What then?

I had previous contact with Curious Labs directly, a few years ago. Their opinion: You can't use the word "Poser" in the name for software. On the other hand, it was ok to use Poser in a web site name. So if this Poser Free Store story is legit, then Curious Labs has changed their minds, and they need to post a public message for all to see.

Xenophonz, google up the domain name mikerowesoft.com sometime :-)

Directionary of Defination of Poser 1. A puzzling or baffling question. 2. A person who poses. Corporate bullshit! God "I'm loving it" :) oh no a trademark - hope they don't make me eat one of their burgers.

"DazerPros"? nup, doesn't sound right... "DigitalDolliesPros"? nah... "NVIATWASPros"? hmmm...perhaps? Any better ideas for a "Poser" replacement word? cheers

I still think that it relates to the overall choice of name. "Poser Free Store" gives the impression that it's a place where free stuff for Poser is stored. Otherwise, we would have heard something from PoserPros, Poser World, Poser++, Poser4U, Poser City, Poser Fashion, Poser Gallery, Poser Mania, Poser Style, and Posertutor.

It was a place where free stuff for Poser was stored. And no, it wasn't raunchy stuff. It was architecture stuff. Think Danie and Marforno, only free.

ProserPose

Mmmmm...I'm waiting for the day a certain Burger Chain (no-names..think Golden Arches) decides to crack down on folks of Scottish extraction for using their copywrite without written permission. Just THINK of the revenue they could rake in in damages for that infringment of their corporate image ? Then they could crack down on folks in clown suits ?

Randy ... yeah, I realize that. But the name could also attract warez'ers, and I am willing to bet that was the main issue. This is a W.A.G., but it makes more sense than squashing the use of "Poser" in any web site (EDIT: Web site NAME or domain name, that is). Especially since we haven't heard of any other issues (and perhaps by now they would have been mentioned if they existed). ANOTHER EDIT: Please note that I am not implying that the site WAS for warez'ers ... only that the name might have been a beacon for them. I want to make that clear, so as not to hurt anyone's feelings.

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I don't see what the big deal would be. So what if it attracted warezers? As long there are no warez there, what's the harm? It would only impede them from finding real warez.

I don't think it would attract warezers, anyway. Search on "poser free," and you get tons of Poser free stuff sites, and messages about M3 and V3 being free now. People looking for warez would search for Poser warez or Poser crack or Poser serial.

I wonder if they misunderstood what kind of site it was. Or if this is just the beginning, and other sites will receive their C&Ds in the coming days and weeks.

BTW - keep in mind the fact that a communication from Curious Labs isn't the same as a court order. Perhaps these individuals simply didn't want the hassle of litigation -- so they bowed.

so why doesn't everyone with ten bucks go and register a poser web domain from GoDaddy.com? After a few thousand websites are registered, and hosted, what is CL gonna do? Spend millions of dollars on closing each and every one down? I hardly thinkso, if that's the case, then a call should go out to boycott buying their software. A use it, but don't pay for it kind of thing, and hit them where it really hurts, the pocket book. If you think about it, instead of spending those millions on building a better product, they will have wasted them on NOTHING. And now, after the aforementioned boycott, they have no revinue. Poser gets sold once again. Hopefully to discreet :)

Since no one really knows what the real issue is, maybe starting a boycott bandwagon might be a bit premature. ???? --Rebekah--

Hmmmm.... Didn't Madonna sue a disco for abuse of her name? Of course, since she was the first person in history to be called Madonna, it all makes sense . . . . Wake me up when sanity's back in fashion. mac

hmm..maybe it's me, but isn't a 'free store' a contradiction in terms?..;) Yeah, poseur is the big hair band kind of attitude, and poser as a question as in..
Mr. Michael Dumbotton, of 3 E. Sedgwick lane has presented us with a poser..in how not to be seen..(bush blows up)
-Monty Python..;)
maybe if they changed it to 'expensive store?'..I wonder if it has anything to do with the 'free content download' thingy (forgive me, I'm still struggling with Poser 4..;) that 5 was supposed to have
And now that you mention it, Paramount has been suing, or threatening to sue, all sites with Star Trek content, for years..of course, without that, the internet would be approx. 36% smaller..;)

Well since the word "Poser" bothers Curious Labs so much, lets delete the word from the community. Rename this forum 3D human figures forum. Poser Pros could be DAZ Studio Pros. Etc. I see no problem eliminating the word Poser from the community at large.

Curious Labs owns the software program poser. it does NOT own the word poser. It has somewhat of a stand when it comes to websites with poser-related content. It doesn't own the rights to any content created for use in poser. No one can copyright or trademark a single word. It has to be a phrase, sentence or paragraph. They could prevent someone creating software with the same name, if its similar software, but they really can't prevent someone from having a web site with the word poser in it. Its probably a case of CL taking offense in some form, to the site name "poser free," as a sort of slander, or something along those lines. And the site owners probably didn't want a confrontation. CL also can't prevent anyone from hosting or distributing free poser content, so long as its their content and not something that CL created themselves. E.D.

pakled, the name may very well have meant store as in "storage" rather than meaning store as in "marketplace"

Perhaps these individuals simply didn't want the hassle of litigation -- so they bowed. Oh, I'm sure that's the case. But seriously, how many sites would go to court if they got a similar C&D? I don't thing any of them would. It would be very expensive, and not worth fighting over for any small business, let alone the personal sites. I doubt even DAZ would protest too much. They'd either work out a deal, or change the name. (I love ProserPose. LOL!)

" Since no one really knows what the real issue is, maybe starting a boycott bandwagon might be a bit premature. ???? --Rebekah--" Never too early! :)

"No one can copyright or trademark a single word." Nope Single words/names are commonly trademarked (think Chevrolet, Wendy's, Xerox, etc). And just for the record here's the official trademark listing for Poser from the US Patent & Trademark office, Trademark Electronic Search System (TESS) Word Mark POSER Goods and Services IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: computer programs for digital rendering of images and printed articulation, including graphics and image creation. FIRST USE: 19950524. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19950524 Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING Serial Number 74630736 Filing Date February 6, 1995 Current Filing Basis 1A Original Filing Basis 1B Published for Opposition January 2, 1996 Registration Number 1963998 Registration Date March 26, 1996 Owner (REGISTRANT) Fractal Design Corporation CORPORATION CALIFORNIA 335 Spreckles Drive Aptos CALIFORNIA 95003 (LAST LISTED OWNER) EGISYS AG CORPORATION BY MERGER, BY CHANGE OF NAME FED REP GERMANY WILHEMSTRABE 44-46 TUBINGEN FED REP GERMANY D-72074 Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED Type of Mark TRADEMARK Register PRINCIPAL Affidavit Text SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR). Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

ah..there is that..;) hmm..didn't know you could do patent lookups that fast..

How about "BenderPros"?

So, why don't we have a contest to rename this forum? Sounds like fun. Maybe the prize could be a 3d human figure program that shall remain nameless? :)

*"Yeah, poseur is the big hair band kind of attitude"*What are you saying, that I have big hair? :-)

Well if that's the case then that means a whole lot'a people owe a whole lot'a other people a whole lot'a cash... does that mean guns'n posers owes CL royalties on all their stuff too? E.D.

For your consideration, I submit the "That Which Must Not Be Named Forum" and the "You Know What Forum" as possible substitutes. Edited to add: I would have suggested "The Positions Forum" but that sounds like something you'd find over on the other "R" site. ^^

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How about "The human form in 3D" forum? :)

To ExistentialDisorder: I'm afraid Cooler's right. You can copyright a word, if you want to spend the money and go through the legal trouble. Marvel Comics, believe it or don't, owns the word 'mutant.' And while they're not very strict about its public use, they make damned certain no other comic company uses it. It's why DC coined the phrase 'metahuman'. Also, the word 'xerox' is copyrighted. Technically, any time you use it it's supposed to be capitalized and though it's common practice to do otherwise, it's not supposed to refer to making copies. It's supposed to be used to refer to the machine that makes copies.

I don't know if CL owns the word 'Poser' though. But they definitely have a trademark on that named software, which means they can protest any software-related enterprise choosing to use the word. And that includes web-sites.

As for a new name for the forum, I say let's go with 'Shirley'.

kmw

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I just think this whole thing is just so downright silly!

"As for a new name for the forum, I say let's go with 'Shirley'." Shirley you jest :)