Attached Link: http://www.daz3d.com/shop.php?op=itemdetails&item=3164

Awsome, I know what Im going to get later.

Yeah saw it and bought it instantly.Especially the Eastern Dragon is so cool and he comes with a real nice texture.I really hope that DAZ makes a Pose Set for the Eastern Dragon.Oh boy and the textures by Ravnheart are damn good.I like this lizard,it is imo much better than the first one.

yeah...and check out the awesome new textures in the PA section nudge nudge wink wink (ok...so its a shameless promotion point..what can ya do...I am shameless LOL) Rawn

I KNEW I was going to regret looking. I'll never have any money :( Downloading now...along iwht the new textures AND the Zombie.

gg Yes life as a Poserfan is hard.

What a waste of money.... I'm glad there are a number of great looking dragons one can get for free or for very cheap. They really expect me to pay as much for one dragon as I paid for Poser 6?

hrm it'll only be $20.00 for me if I get it before the 30th....I just got paid too...

Attached Link: www.poserfreebies.com

Nah, for what you get, I don't think the price is that high. Many people would pay that much just to finally get a good Eastern dragon with morphs and textures. BTW PapaBlueMarlin, your link needs to be fixed. Also, my seam guides for the Mil Dragon (1 and 2) are up in Free Stuff now. ;) SnowS

Attached Link: http://www.poserfreebies.com

Message edited on: 03/15/2005 16:47

True, the last time I actually used a dragon in an image was when Valandar's free Land Dragon came out. ;) I just meant that if you're looking for a good complete dragon set, the prices are pretty good. The morphs are what I think make DAZ's dragon so much more useful than the others. Heh, hope the seam guides can help though. :) Thanks, take care. SnowS

It's not even a new model, it's just a new CR2 with addons and a oriental dragon. I do like that they made mimic compatibility in this one, but at the upgrade price not a chance I'm getting it. I'm sure the Daz register is just jinggling with sales as the Mil Dragon was a popular item.

Can we all now post promo's for saleable items in the Poser forum now, or is it only for DAZ recycled items?

There's a rant to ev'ryone Though the sites we divide And the stores are all small It's a Daz world after all It's a Daz world after all It's a Daz world after all It's a Daz world after all It's a Daz, Daz world 'Comeon everybody sing!!! Sorry couldn't resist, I'll behave now.

"Can we all now post promo's for salable items in the Poser forum now, or is it only for DAZ recycled items? " No - policy is the same as has long been stated and established. If you made a product, or are involved in making, testing, or marketing it, you have to post in Product Showcase. If you came across it as something new that excites you, you can post, but you run the risk of anything from catty comments to having the thread moved by and admin. "It's not even a new model, it's just a new CR2 with addons and a oriental dragon. " Just like the upgrade from Mic1 to Mic 2, or Vic 1 to Vic 2, huh? Wish DAZ would show better product previews in their store, I'd be interested in seeing what the actual morphs are instead of just a list. A lot of their product promo's seem to have gotten kind of perfunctory of late.

Please move this post to the product showcase forum.

The reason for posting it here is that DAZ tends to use their own forums to make announcements and some members tend not to check their site as much. I agree that I'd have to see a lot more promo images before I would be even tempted to buy. DAZ's promos have been very unhelpful for a while now (since about M3). The price and the bad promotion don't leave me with much incentive to buy...

whoot whoot!! It is totally a good thing that I paid my friend yesterday LOL.

Why? The thread wasn't started by Daz, just people that enjoy the Mil Dragon and are interested in Mil Dragon 2.0. I have visions of Monty Python Holy Grail running through my head.... "Merchant! Merchant burn 'um!" Please if you moved every "product" thread to the showcase the forum would be a lot deader. Fans of products talk about the products. Plus it gives me a chance to jump up on a soapbox and say....<> "booo....booooo!" however your entitiled to your opinion as much as the rest, care on with your agenda errr comments.

Please let's not get carried away with the Product Showcase forum. That is a place for merchants to "showcase" their products. That's what it started as and that is what it should continue to be. If they start sending every post containing a for-sale item to the Product Showcase forum, there will be no more pics in this--or any other--forum.

Attached Link: http://www.runtimedna.com/

well an $80 price tag will throw off a lot of newcomers. Im eligible for teh upgrade but will not be getting it intime for the sale. It is a nice improvemtne to the dragon though.

PoserPros has long had a good eastern dragon, reasonably priced. ;) I'm looking for an Easter Dragon though - one with bunny ears, big feet and lays colored eggs. :D

Attached Link: http://market.renderosity.com/softgood.ez?ViewSoftgood=35081

SS: I mooched a copy of your seam guides too - thank you very much :)

xoconstle :) I don't believe anyone has been anti-DAZ or anti-CL. It's been a matter of preferences in terms of wanting detailed promotional materials and competitive pricing. And I think those are reasonable expressions. Maybe not always tactifully stated, but still reasonable. To me, from the promo image, it's hard for me to determine exactly what is different from the original version. I do suspect a lot of people will buy and others will vacillate about buying, such as aeilkema and I, due to the huge investment in upgrading to Poser 6. I really liked the original model, but the price at this point is daunting. In addition, I think whenever something is released, its also fair to alert the community to the fact there are other merchants who might offer a similar product at reduced cost :) Becco, any product that people pass by and get excited about is fair game to be posted in this forum. The first mil dragon was intensely popular and DAZ promoted it well by giving away a LE version. So members of Renderosity have a long history with this model. The only way this would be moved to the showcase was if someone working on MD2 posted promotional material in this thread.

Whenever someone makes a remark about DAZ he's suddenly anti DAZ.... I've just purchased some items at DAZ and monday I did order Poser 6. Guess I fit into the anti DAZ or CL crowd perfectly.

We're just making remarks about the price, because perhaps we're more price concious then others..... Just in case you haven't noticed but DAZ is actually charging more for new items then they used too. A lot of the new stuff released recently is imo very unaffordable. Especially when knowing I've just ordered Poser 6 for $80 with quite a number of new figures, poses, textures, clothes and props. Compared with that the dragon is just very expensive.

That's not anti this or anti that, but just an observation.

Please stop being so judgemental, it really is blocking the free conversation lately. I'm already considering leaving for a while now, since more and more people seem to have become quite unreasonable and judgemental about others. Well it's late, I'm off to bed. Good night everyone!

Message edited on: 03/15/2005 20:10

PapaBlueMarlin and aeilkema, your objections to my comments are fair, I read them respectfully. I'm aware that my use of "anti" is an oversimplification. I regret that I appeared judgemental, because my reaction was to what I see as habitual judgement of the two mentioned companies by some persons. I won't name names except to say that neither of you are whom I had in mind, and that the person(s) I was thinking of generally have my respect. There are some who are known for a history of objection to all things DAZ or CL, and it gets a little tiresome in excess, that's all. Blocking the free flow of conversation is exactly the opposite of what I'd hope for here. That's why I don't think this thread needs to be moved. It's not my place to be judgemental of others for differing opinions. If I remark on negativity henceforth, I'll try not to paint with a broad brush. Please don't leave, aeilkema, at least not 'cause of l'il old me. :-)

so what is really the difference with this dragon than the 1.0 dragon. It appears the old textures fit. it does come with the Eastern Dragon...but only 1 texture.... i keep asking if there is anyone working on addtional textures for the oriental dragon...no answer yet

"This new Millennium Dragon product includes the Millennium Dragon 2.0 figure, the new Eastern Dragon and the original Millennium Dragon as an added bonus. With a completely reworked mesh, new add-on head pieces and over 80 new morphs, the Millennium Dragon is better than ever in this 2nd version..." The wings of v2 look different than v1, v2 now is mimic compatible which the jaw of the v1 was not compatible. v2 now has more morphs or different morphs. Additionally 19 conforming head peices for different looks. Daz states on the product page completly reworked mesh, but must be just morph and cr tweaking if they have used the v1 textures. Mil Dragon v2 product page leaves a lot to the imagination, though RawArt's products have nice promos (Rawnrr always does nice promos) that show off more of the dragon and the new products features. I just can't see enough differences in Mil v1 and Daz is including v1 in the new v2 package. Confusing.

can someone post an image of the various morphs?

I never bought the original MilDragon, because it was so pricey. Just wasn't worth it, when I had several other nice dragons.

I'm thinking about getting the new version, though. With the PC discount, it's $35. Not back for three dragons.

You can see more images in this thread at DAZ.
http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=16434&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

MachineClaw wrote:

"It's not even a new model, it's just a new CR2 with addons and a oriental dragon."

Well, it has 80 new morphs (Brand New Body Types, Body Spikes, Head Shaping Morphs, and Mimic Compatible Phonemes/Expressions.)

A completely reworked mesh, including new Joint Updates

19 Brand New Add-on(Conforming) Head Pieces for the Millennium Dragon:

• Beard, Chin Fins, Ear Fins 1and 2, Ear Plates, Ears Curved, Head Plates 1-4,
• Head Spikes, Head Whisps 1-3, Horns Back, Horns Side, Jaw Fins,
• Jaw Horns Large 1 and 2.

Plus a brand new Eastern Dragon with Mimic Compatible Expressions and Phonemes.

Sounds like a pretty terrific update to me.

aeilkema wrote"

"I'm glad there are a number of great looking dragons one can get for free or for very cheap."

True, but they're not THIS dragon. ;)

Becco_UK wrote"

"seems to be a lot of negative comments about it!"

I only see 3 people complaining in this thread, and none in the 6 page thread at DAZ, exactly where are all of those negative comments? Ya gotta link?

Coldrake

PapaBlueMarlin wrote: >> " can someone post an image of the various morphs?" Got the V2 upgrade the minute I saw it this evening. I will post a few morphs later tonight. Can't wait to install it!

Are the textures P5-friendly?

I'm glad someone said something here about the new version. I find it takes to long to load a page a Daz, I'm on dailup. Between all the avitars and the 100 or so individual texture images, instead of one with the different color tex inset in the same image, I don't have the day or two it takes to load it. I usually have to rely on the promo and that is a miss and hit way to do things. Good thing Daz has that 30 day return policy. Can someone tell me what the file size is of the upgrade. I need to plan my DL.

xoconostle, I won't leave just because of you and I'm glad you didn't have me in mind at all :-) I do accept you apoliligy (I'm not sure if this is spelled correctly). I know there are others that who always put down DAZ or CL sometimes justified and sometimes not. I don't like it either, it creates a terrible atmosphere. Then on the other hand there are those that think that DAZ or CL can't do anything wrong at all, and that isn't healthy either. Next time when making a comment I'll try to be more specific and pick my words as carefull as possible so that it's understood as an observation not an attack. Leatning all the time.....

I must say that i like the Upgrade a lot.The Eastern Dragon alone was it worth,he is the best.And you know taste is something personal.

I bought the upgrade immediately and with my discounts it was only $13. Soo, the beasty is worth it and the Eastern Dragon is very cool. It uses Easy Pose technology and therefore is a charm to pose. I was looking so long for an oriental dragon and this is the first one that really looks great.

There are three mat pose folders included for P4, ProPack AND P5 plus there is a P5 material folder under materials as well.

All the MilDragon 1 textures can be used on the new version and the previous version had only one texture included as well. There is a texture pack with 3 new textures for the dragon over at DAZ too. And I like to see one free dragon that looks that good plus has as much add ons and morphs as the MilDragon.

So, what is the file size for the upgrade DL, Please.

Yesterday I bought the Mil dragon, then come here and saw this thread about the Mil Dragon 2.0 being released :( I wish I'd come here first........lol

STILL has idiotic finger-rib coming off the broken elbow in the wings. STILL has misproportioned body parts. I don't care if they add a hundred more spines and a thousand more teeth... if the underlying body isn't built logically, the beast will never get off the ground. not impressed For $80 dollars, I'd expect a new model, not a rehash and rejointing of an old mesh. I will buy a good dragon, despite already having a large library of them. This isn't a good dragon. Carolly of Dragonkeep

beryld, the upgrade has 4 files: one for the Eastern Dragon and 3 for the MilDragon - each download is about 20 MBs.

Carolly, a dragon is a fantasy creature - no one has ever seen a living dragon so saying that it has a misproportioned body and idiotic thingies comeing out of where ever is a bit funny since you can't compare it to the real thing. How will you know that a dragon needs the wings to fly? I suggest you read the book The flight of Dragons by Peter Dickinson, if it's still available. It has some nice theories about dragons and how they were able to fly despite their size and weight and despite their small wings.

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EnchangedAngel, ask for a refund. For the same price, you can get the new dragon, which includes the old one. DAZ has a 30-day, no questions asked, money-back guarantee. It's easy. Just use their online support form, and they'll credit your account. You can then use the credit to buy the new dragon.

I just did something similar, because I bought the gargoyle, then decided I wanted to buy the fantasy creature bundle instead (which includes the gargoyle).

P5 materials, eh? Well, I guess I'm sold, then. I can't resist P5 materials. :-)

Man, am I gonna be broke this month. And next month is tax month, so it ain't gonna be any better...

Puntomaus, Thank you.

peeectures of the Eastern Dragon please :)

well lets put this into perspective shall we? first, this is not a "millenium dragon 2" - the use of the 2 implies this is a new mesh. it is not, so this is more like Mil Dragon 1.5. taking that into account, does that justify the cost? lets see. Morph Pack, new CR2, rejointed figure. nope, this does not justify the massive cost. Morph Packs tend to run a lot cheaper. new CR2/Joints? shrug why so much? Mil Dragon 1 included. well, thats an incentive.. only been out a coupla years now... on sale several times already... you can get it cheaper on the PC club. nice if your a member, but (based on myself) not cost effective if you don't actually need anything in the PC club (I'm not someone that buys everything in sight becuase it looks pretty, stores it on a CD and never uses it - I buy as I need.. and lately daz ain't had anything I need.. well, infact, they ain't had anything I need in over 2 years) call me anti daz if you want, brand me with it, yell it at me in the streets and spit on me. I don't really care, since it's not important to the grand scheme of things. but I do see a bad deal when I see one and I wish that ppl would open their eye's and look without bias.

For those of you who purchased the upgrade... Could you tell if you need the full Mill dragon 1.0 or you just need the Mill Dragon LE that was free for a short time and was included in the Starter Bundle? Thanks

As someone who has been working with this new dragon for over a month now, I can assure you that it is appropriatly named Mill Dragon 2, because it is far more than an upgrade to the original dragon. The mesh is only part of the equation in figure creation, and the fact that it uses the original mesh as a base is a plus point not a negative one. This way all the extra textures and such which were purchased for the original dragon are still able to be used on this one as well. There would be even more screaming if people could not longer use their original textures..so this ensures your original textures are not out of date. But now you get the added benefit of a versitility that is a hundred times better than the original (which was no slouch either) Plus...you can use any of the new textures on the original dragon and the LE version as well, if you dont want the new features. So its a bit silly to play a game of wether it should be called version 1.5 or version 2. It is all just words, but it is definatly a drastically improved model and well worth it to any dragon enthusiast. (Updates usually dont work for LE versions..but you may want to confirm this with DAZ)