Maybe this is something for Curious Labs staff directly

Oh - well ...

Tried to play a bit more with Poser 6 but unhappily found out, that when you work inside the document window the Commands are disabled.

Now - first you might think this won't bother much. Well, for me it does matter.
I'm using speech-command and without a direct access to the commands I'm a bit helpless unless I click in the (for Windows) blue bar of the commands (File, edit etc ...) to reactivate the command-bar.

I can tell you ... if you use 4 Monitors it is a long way up to the commands with your mouse.

So, why were all the command-possibilities disabled and I'm left behind with only the shortcuts (no more possibility to say "left arm to right arm" inside the document-window - first I have to move up and activate the commands) ?

Is there an easy way to leave the commands activated while working in the document-window ?

Maybe there's a hidden setting I didn't see ?

Message edited on: 03/23/2005 16:45

uups - forgot to say ... thx for any help :)

BTW: is there a topic already running with possible or known bugs in P6 ?

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Message edited on: 03/23/2005 17:09

I guess they didn't fix the focus problem that began with P5 :( Anyway, if it is like P5, you don't have to click all the way up there. Just click on the background anywhere outside the document window. The shortcut keys should work then.

Jackson - I tried exactly that but rather than in P5 it does not work this time.

Oh great! You mean it's even worse in P6???

Damn! Netherworks said the focus issue had been improved in P6. Schlabber, have you had other focus issues too?

mac

Message edited on: 03/23/2005 17:13

Jackson - yup, seems so ... I would rate this as a bug

Another thing I just thought of. Does this mean we can't use ALT-letter shortcuts when working in the doc window? I'd be really POd if that's the case. mac

lol - you know one crazy thing ? I just went back to Poser 6 (it is on another screen - I'm using 4 monitors on one computer) - back to the Poser - document window and then the commands are accessable. So if you change the complete application (will mean LEAVE POSER) and come back to the document window - DON'T click outside the document-window - the command-bar is accessable - hmm, yup that's a focus-problem :(

uups - have to correct that ...
The commands appear to be accessible - but they don't ... tsk tsk tsk ...

They change back to black (instead of grey) - but it's only the color that changed - not the (no more) behaviour. Well - finally I can access the commands then via Alt-key

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Right mac - that's exactly what I'm talking about

'Right mac - that's exactly what I'm talking about'

rolls eyes

So, it's back to daz studio as my main app then?

I really hoped CL had got it right this time. I couldn't care less about IBL and AO. I want an app that works smoothly, is all. In P5, I can never get the Hier editor (alt-w-h) without a major hassle. If I have to keep clicking all over the place in P6 too, it's just more of the same.

I wish CL would forget all this uber-tech baloney and make the damned thng work. I'm really unimpressed.

mac PS Thanks for pointing this out to me, schlabber. Everyone else is too busy with J & J to bother about these things.

Message edited on: 03/23/2005 17:31

Well - seems to be a bug - yes ... For me it's quiete simple by now ... My posing-life is depending on a functional voice-control. In the meantime I can live (not good but I can) with clicking inside the document-window in P5 (!) before (!) firing a voice command. But I certainly can't live with moving my mouse all over the place to start a simply command like "back-view". So, I'll wait for a bugfix to fix that issue - untill then ... P5 or P4.

Alt-Tab -> release -> Alt-Tab will put focus back to the main poser window. Not ideal, but probably quicker than moving the mouse a really long way.

If you use 4 screens you probably have stretched the application window to cover the screens.
If so, you can click the border of the Poser application window to get focus to the command bar. Not ideal but a shorter distance as the command bar itself

Sorry yggdrasil - I tried that - but it won't work - same behaviour as before - the command-bar-fonts are black - but they just don't work wimvdb: yes - I can activate it by clicking on the border - I already did that (sorry, my description was a bit weak). But anyway - that could not be the way, or not ?

" Damn! Netherworks said the focus issue had been improved in P6. Schlabber, have you had other focus issues too?" I don't use voice software or multiple monitors, so I couldn't possibly know that it would be difficult in that situation. For me, going from one window to another is quicker. Also in P5, when I did a render, it would take a few seconds where it had to "snap out" of the render (everything turns white on the scene elements) and then go back to preview mode - not in this version. Clicking on the parameters palette or preview window does grey out the main top bar, but I find keyboard shortcuts more responsive with or without focus. I guess I was thinking more in terms of being responsive to mouse and keyboard control and had no intention of being misleading.

Well, I can't follow the reasons why the command-bar was disabled. For me this makes no real sense. Why shouldn't I able to use the commands when working in the Poser-document window ?

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I'm in the HuryyUpAndWait Club, but my suspicion is that Command Bar support from new windows has not been ENABLED. I.e. Something overlooked rather than disabled per se. As each is a separate window, and thus a separate task to Windows, (unlike on Mac), then CL needs to enable those Command Bar options to EVERY window, so regardless of which window you are in the current window can react - and then pass the info back to the main window, eg. Shouldn't be too hard for CL to address if they have the motivation. This was a problem in P5 too with P4PyE, so I'd hoped that it would be fixed in P6. It was a concern as soon as I heard P6 made more use of separate windows.

I think about the same layingback. Now - let's hope CL will notify it - and then repair it ...

'I don't use voice software or multiple monitors, so I couldn't possibly know that it would be difficult in that situation' Apologies, joseph. I wasn't blaming you for saying it. I had just been hoping it was all fixed. 'Shouldn't be too hard for CL to address if they have the motivation' splutter choke cough 'If they have the motivation' - That's good. That's really good. This isn't aimed at you, layingback. It's just that if CL need us to motivate them to fix basic bugs in their software, I think we can all forget about it ever happening. I seriously doubt if there'll ever be another P5 patch, so it looks like they have no interest whatsoever. mac

I don't think they can fix it. If they knew how, I imagine they would have fixed it in P5 long ago...and it surely wouldn't be in P6 now. It would be nice to hear from them about it though.

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Hmm - P5 indeed does have the same behaviour. Try to fire a command from the command-bar when you're inside the dialer-window (where all the morphs are). Now as the document window is a "flyout-window" also it acts the same like the dialer-window :( . This makes me a bit worrying if that ever will be fixed.

How do you associate your voice commands with actions, is it per executable or per window ? You might able to add a command to send the Alt-Tab sequence twice to switch the focus.

nruddock - switching focus won't help :( - You have to click on the blue bar to get get the focus to the main-Poser-window. I already tried applying an Alt-tab twice but with no success - yes, you can see the commands are black, but they don't do anything ... they just changed their colors from grey to black - nothing more.

One other possibility then, can you get the focus back by clicking anywhere on the window border. If so you could run with the window not maximised but very large so that the border is visible.

It is exactly the point that I don't want to click anywhere BEFORE firing a voice command because this will slow me down a lot. I think this is only a sloppy programming in P5 and P6. Well in P5 it was annoying (to click out of the morph-dial-window), in P6 it is more than annoying to move to a small bar just to fire a simple command.