I was expressing that I was unhappy about p6 in a previous (my first ever) post here http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=2188216 Although some people in the forum seemed to disagree I felt like for the most part it was a fairly good thread. The advice on Scree3d over OpenGL was really helpful to me. I have NOT changed my opinion of Poser 6, I still think that at present it is far inferior to P5 sr4. I also think that anyone who pre-ordered p6 and got Shade 7 for free got one of the best deals I have ever seen concerning 3d software. Had I not got the pre-order though I would feel let down. ........thing is I have gotten some pretty insulting Private Messages concerning the earlier thread. I do not feel like I was acting like a crybaby, a bitch, a spoiled idiot or a jaded nOOb by expressing my opinion. I was doing just that expressing my opinion. Take a look at the picture accompanying this post and you'll see why I have that opinion. I have a 2.6ghz Pentium 4 with Hyper Threading, 2 gb RAM and a 256 mb Radeon 9800 Pro video card. The scene I am trying to render has 4 police cars, 4 m3's in police uniforms, 1 v3 and BVH's Temptations Of She-Devil outfit. There are no morps applied to any of the figures (other that Door open on one of the police cars) and I have reduced the max texture size to 600 in P6's firefly. It isn't a one figure scene to be sure..... but nor is it especially robust. I have rendered far FAR busier scenes in p5. In fact in 45 minutes or so when p6 finishes canceling the failed render I am going to re-install poser 5 and setup the same scene and post the image. I apologize to anyone who feels like I am whining. I am not. I am genuinely disapointed with p6 and I wanted to vent. I thought that was part of the reson forums like this one existed. As far as Curious Labs Customer service, I am really happy for all the people who got help, I am still waiting for an answer to emails I sent at the beginning of the month. I can't "drop-in" because that would be a heck of a trip from my house:P and I have left several messages on their answering service over the past week. I am still awaiting an answer. I know that they are busy and I do not expect that they are going to reveal anything so simple as, "Oh you have a Hyper Threading P4, Just click the Work Perfectly All The Time Button in the prefernces menu." I know they don't have answers like that and I know they are swamped...... and I don't remember making any negative comments about the Customer service anyways. They will get to me eventually, if not I will just e-mail again. anyways............. I just got so many nasty private messages I wanted to set the record straight :) I am entitled to my opinion after all :)

I am entitled to my opinion after all :)

No......you are entitled to my opinion.

;-)

I just got so many nasty private messages I wanted to set the record straight :)

I can honestly say that in all of the forum debates that I've ever been involved in (which have been many)......I've only received a nasty PM once. And that wasn't over a debate which occured on this site.

[[Perhaps my opponents are wise enough to understand that a nasty IM won't have the desired effect. ;-).]]

So I am somewhat surprised when I see others that have gotten such IM's. Especially lots of them.

Frankly, sometimes discretion really is the better part of valor. Best to simply drop a not-really-so-important-in-the-greater-scheme-of-things type issue.

Chances are that bringing the matter up again is only going to serve to exacerbate the problem.

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If it bothers you, then I would recommend forwarding nasty IM's on to an admin or to a mod.

I think thats the best advice yet... Now where did I pot that "not-really-so-important-in-the-greater-scheme-of-things " folder ? :)

Now where did I pot that "not-really-so-important-in-the-greater-scheme-of-things " folder ?

That folder is also commonly known as "the Round File", or "File 13".

Over the years, I've learned to stick lots of stuff into that file.

Life is more sanitary that way.

;-)

I'm staying clear of any cross-fire... but just one thought occurs. I haven't got Poser 6 yet, but Poser 5 was notoriously unable to render certain particular items without lock-up problems (the DAZ Bombshell hair and Mihai hair spring to mind). Has rendering for such items been made any easier in Poser 6 (a general question). Regarding your own specific lock-up experience, although I would tend to agree with comments in the earlier thread that a scene with four millenium characters might be taxing (certainly to my own system)... is there any possibility that your attempts to render in Firefly are being hampered to an even greater extent by using any similar 'problem' items as these DAZ hair types.

I never had any problems with the DAZ Bombshell hair in p5. It happens to be one of the few Hair sets I own and I like it lots! The models I am using are V3 and M3,(from daz) the Romero Interceptor (from PoserWorld) The US cop outfit (from Poserworld) BVH's Temptations of She-Devil (from right here on RO) and the Arizona Hair (from Daz). I have used them all in P5, and I have never had any trouble. Maybe it is just too much for P6 to handle....... which was kinda my gripe in the first place. I am going to reinstall Poser 5 later and just wait for a p6 service release. I am really not into single figure renders. I am THRILLED with Shade 7. I think I am going to learn alot from it :D

Just curious, Why is your max texture size 800? Poser may be choking because it is trying to scale down multiple textures. Just for S#its and giggles, set the max texture size to 4000, and re-render. Also, what bucket size are you using? Unless I missed it before, could you post a screenshot of your rendering settings? Thanks and good luck. -The Starkdog

I'm glad to hear that you love Shade7. Have you tried saving your scene and rendering it in Shade? Shade has a much better rendering engine, but when using radiosity, GI, or HDRI, it is REALLYYYYYY SLOW, but the result is awesome. Look at my thread below, ~#30 or so, about new clothes for Laura. I have included a short pictorial tutorial on how to make a shirt base and tanktop. -The Starkdog

I tried upping the Max textures size to 4096 like you said and I incurred the same error. I have tried A LOT of different settings since last night. The ones in the picture are the ones that I have been advised would be the most likely to not crash........ But they did :((

I haven't tried rendering this beastie in shade 7 yet..... I think I need to reinstall p5 asap!! I am VERY pleased with the quality of the Shade Renderer..... though it is slow I think it is worth the wait. I used to use Carrara to render stuff I set up in p5, and it was very good! Much better than Firefly............ I think I like Shade Better tho :) I just have to get used to this cross thingy that manipluates the camera

"........thing is I have gotten some pretty insulting Private Messages concerning the earlier thread. I do not feel like I was acting like a crybaby, a bitch, a spoiled idiot or a jaded nOOb by expressing my opinion." It could be your login name? Some people might be adversely affected by it. ;)

But.............. But .......But ALL the other names were taken :((

Come back with a handle like "GeniusLevelIQ" or "TheSmartestManAlive". See what sort of reaction you get from one of those. BTW -- I haven't checked to see if either of those screenID's are already taken.

You should perhaps try this (didn't read the previous thread, so don't know if you already did it...) Decrease Max Bucket Size. I made render with a Max Bucket Size of 2 with Poser5 ! Decrease Max Textures Size to 256. I read in another thread (an "old" one) that Poser (it was for Poser5) always use a "2^x" (don't remember the english name, sorry) in Max texture size... Example: 32 - 64 - 128 - 256 - 512 - 1024 - 2048 - etc... So, if you put 800 for the Max Texture Size, Poser will automatically take the next one, ie 1024. Hope it helps... And i'm also curious to know if it works in Poser5.

I wouldn't worry too much about the IM's. The people sending 'em are most likely compensating for having very small genitals. :)

LOL SamTherapy........ Its my first time in the forums here and I guess I got over-into it.... How the heck could I have been missing all this ???? LOL These forums are not only full of people with similar interests to my own.... But LADEN with info on freebies :D Which is good considering I bought Mojoworld 3 and P6 this week and am broke :P Oh yeah, I was just looking for a place to vent about p6.... .and now I am glad I had to vent in the first place :D

"I wouldn't worry too much about the IM's. The people sending 'em are most likely compensating for having very small genitals. :)" Actually, Very_Small_Genitals was a member who got banned. It seems he had a real problem with a lot of people! ;)

From another forum: You may want to look at you card settings. Another person had a similar card set for gaming and that gave big problems. May not help in your case but wouldn't hurt to look.

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=913941&Start=1&Artist=aeilkema&ByArtist=Yes

*I just got so many nasty private messages I wanted to set the record straight :)* Sorry to hear so... there's no reason for it at all. *I am entitled to my opinion after all :)* As far as I'm concerned you are, but many people around here think differently. I and others have been told to keep our opinion to us many many times. Some people do believe their opinion is the only one valid. As for your rendering problem, all I can do is confirm. Poser 6 is just having a hard time rendering multiple figures. Just check out the link. Is that anything fancy? No, but still it took over 3hrs to render. The good thing is at least it did render, other multiple figure scenes I've created didn't want to render at all, no matter what settings I've tried. Just to mention it once more, CL has confirmed rendering problems in P6 and I'm hoping they'll trace it down soon and fix it, perhaps that will solve our problems too!

I and others have been told to keep our opinion to us many many times.

Not from here. Throw it out for all to see.....that's what I say.

But don't count on agreement/acceptance. Or delight.

Opinions are dangerous things -- like explosives. And they should be handled carefully.

Sometimes, a bottle of nitro can blow up in the hand of the one carrying it.

Some people do believe their opinion is the only one valid.

Only when the opinion of the other is invalid.

there's no reason for it at all. Here, we agree.

"Here, we agree." XENOPHONZ, didn't we agree not to agree even if we do agree?

XENOPHONZ, didn't we agree not to agree even if we do agree? No......we agreed to disagree that we agreed over the things that we had disagreed to agree about in the first place. ;-) Untangle that knot, and you get a cookie. Because I can't.

Signing out for a few hours. I've got dishes to wash. Figuratively speaking.

Hey stupidest_login_ever, I don't have Poser 6, but I've been reading the boards here, and I recall seeing several people post that there is a known memory usage problem with Poser 6 right now that will be addressed in an upcoming service pak. I'd hazard a guess that you may be experiencing your difficulties as a result of this. Maybe the thing to do is to just do smaller, less ambitious images for now with Poser 6 and see how things go after the service pak is installed. I wouldn't give up on it entirely. Start simple and build up to the most complex image you can get away with and work within those constraints for now. Think of it as an opportunity to play with all the new features Poser 6 has in preparation for creating your masterpieces later on, or as a chance for you to experiment with a "minimalist" phase in your art. Incidentally, things like that are the reason I have not ordered Poser 6 yet, and probably won't for about 6 months or so. Getting Shade 7 LE for "free" isn't worth the possible/likely frustration of being an early adopter. Don't let the meatheads get you down, this is a very valuable forum despite them. Unzipped

Truths: aeilkema = A XENOPHONZ = X If A and b disagree that = c If a and b agree that = d If a and b agree to disagree that consttutes c+d c+d= F ------------------------------------- I submit that a=b x d + c = x x>d UNLESS F so x>d + f = xd Hence I am right and no one understands my pain! Where is my cookie ?

Actually, if you stick with nice, low polygon cartoon figures, you can get lots of them in one image with no problem. (Of course, they don't look as good naked in a temple...) Poser 6 rocks!! -jjsemp

If you're not sure, check in your browser's temp directory. You'll find a cookie there. In fact, you'll probably find a whole bunch of them. Fresh baked. :)

Or half-baked, as the case may be.

That picture is very fishy. Those cats have got some catnip hidden somewhere.

It's hidden in their desks, which is why they're looking so attentive. They don't want the teacher to become suspicious and decide to search. -jjsemp

Without reading anything above... you're not running poser6 on a disk without a page file are you? meaning: Normally your windows page file and your programs are on C: if you have the program installed on D: and your page file is on C: then Poser, (at least P4 & P5) used to complain about memory errors, when in fact it was a page file issue. create a small page file on D: of about 10-50Mb and your problem shoudl dissapear. He says hopefully :) later jb

Sam, For a bloke, small genitals in a woman is a plus :P

I do have a partition on my drive to seperate the recovery data from everything else, but P6 is installed on my main drive and I have allowed windows to handle my PF settings. I have reported the problem to CL Steve at the addy specified in his later thread and I am hoping they will get back to me with something I have overlooked.. If and when they do I will report it in a clean post :) I have Poser 5 all re-installed now and I want to go try rebuilding and rendering this scene there:) Thanks for all the help and advice!