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Subject: Who Should Win


templargfx ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 9:37 AM · edited Tue, 24 December 2024 at 11:48 PM

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this is from my gallery, someone asked me to make a second image, showing the outcome of this scene. who do you think should win? (to see full size one, visit my gallery)

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ChuckEvans ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 9:42 AM

Plate mail and a (long) sword against chain and leather (and a shorter weapon)? Think I'd rather be on the left...LOL.


templargfx ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 9:50 AM

chainmail and leather it may be, but the troll is about 5 times stronger that our huge fellow on the left, and that power behind a MACE (crushing weapon) would kill in 1 blow (in real life, not the fantasy world we all dream of perhaps!) oh, and the mace is actually so close to identicle in length its uncanny (or on purpose LOL) ;o)

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KarenJ ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 10:01 AM

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=949902&Start=1&Artist=templargfx&ByArtist=Yes

That is one very cool image. Here is a direct link for the lazy (like me!) I think I would put money on the troll: his armour is lighter, making him quicker, and his longer arms should offset the advantage of the knight's longer sword. Also I love his spikes :o)


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OrcaDesignStudios ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 10:03 AM

My money is on the tree. It just looks far to innocent to be trusted.


Kristta ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 10:04 AM

I vote for troll on the right.....always vote for the massive underdog (he looks like the bad guy so most will say he should lose). I'd like to see him with mace raised high in air and one foot standing on the rather dead looking knight guy.


Kristta ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 10:11 AM

OrcaDesignStuidos......that was my laugh of the day. I would like to change my vote....tree.


momodot ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 10:11 AM

Dude with the mace 100%



JenX ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 10:36 AM

My money's on the Troll. His skin looks tough enough to break that sword, LOL.

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Kristta ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 10:47 AM

Maybe do an image with a tree limb laying over both of them! Oh, that would be hilarious!


Tyger_purr ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 10:54 AM

years of movie watching has shown me that the only way to know is to read the script. :)

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Jackson ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 11:05 AM

I say they should settle their differences in a calm manner, shake hands, and crack a few beers.


DCArt ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 11:08 AM

I vote for the little guy. You know ... the David and Goliath thing. Little guys need to win more, you know. 8-)



maxxxmodelz ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 11:33 AM · edited Fri, 06 May 2005 at 11:34 AM

I think it depends on how skilled the knight is. If he's a seasoned warrior, with greater fighting skills than the troll, then he probably would come out victorious due to his sharper wit, and formidable fighting style.

However, if the troll has equal skills, then there's an old saying in boxing that might translate to this situation as well... "a good big guy will beat a good little guy every time". Meaning, if their skills are equal, the big guy's power and size give him the overwhelming advantage.

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ChuckEvans ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 12:53 PM

I guess I looked at it and couldn't tell what was actually in the plate mail. Looked like another troll (or freak char). As to size, the one on the left appears to be in the background more, therefore, his size, if moved to the foreground would be the same. Hence, my prediction on the winner. Crushing blow notwithstanding, it takes quite a bit of energy to get that heavy ball in motion (making it somewhat easier to dodge). As I understand it, weapons were mch heavier than we assume...dbl handed swords weighing in from 40-60 pounds (I think I read somewhere).


thixen ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 1:04 PM

personally I like to see a giant foot come down and squish them both ala Monty Python... but if we have to acctually pick left or right I'd say right (the troll) mainly because I'd just like to see what kind of massive damage you can come up with from that mace.


momodot ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 1:17 PM

Bambie.



Kristta ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 1:47 PM

I still say the tree should win.


sitdownbike ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 2:18 PM

One, two, three, four, I declare a thumb war....


UrbanChilli ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 2:33 PM

The knight in the shiny armor always wins. Why change that? :-)


mylemonblue ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 2:36 PM

2nd vote for Bambie... :)

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pakled ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 2:44 PM

the race is not always to the swift, or the battle to the strong...but that's the way to bet..;)

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bobcat574 ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 3:20 PM

I say Troll, unless the tree is a whomping willow..then the tree hands down :)


ziggie ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 3:39 PM

The House Mouse wif the Uzi... hiding behind the tree!

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Lawndart ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 5:24 PM

"Maybe do an image with a tree limb laying over both of them! Oh, that would be hilarious!" and a squirrel slapping his paw down givving a three count. Or would that be a tree count? LOL


Gareee ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 6:38 PM

Godzilla's foot (Bambi meets Godzilla) Be more seriously, the troll's reach with the mace it about 2.5 times that of the knight.. that knight won't even get a chance to put his pig sticker to use.

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ynsaen ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 7:17 PM

"...locked in a battle of wits..." key phrase that. ALways speaks volumes. That knight is toast -- and the tree will make a good source of toothpicks...

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shedofjoy ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 7:25 PM

i will put my vote on the one with the hidden gun...lol... OR if there is no gun it will be the Tree. WHY??? Well the Troll will swing with the mace but the Armoured dude will duck, causing the Troll to hit the tree making it collapse onto the Armoured dude killing him.

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svdl ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 7:53 PM

Maces are devastating weapons against plate armor. And you can't move fast in plate. Now of the guy was wearing chain (or preferably hardened leather) he would have had a chance. My money's on the troll.

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KimberlyC ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 9:23 PM

....hmm i'm going for the troll :P dunno why :)



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momodot ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 9:25 PM

There is the whole mass enertia thing going on for the mace. Dude in the plate would better off stripped to his jockeys and armed with a short sword or dagger.



momodot ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 9:26 PM

BTW... I know this from personal experience.



hauksdottir ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 10:23 PM

The troll. First sweep with the mace will break that shiny sword. Then a bear hug will break the knight like cracking a lobster claw. Those spikes on the troll's cheat ought to penetrate even the platemail, but the lower spikes will certainly pierce the vitals. Give the knight a few minutes to bleed to death if he doesn't die from the crushed ribs into his lungs or the broken back or the troll's bad breath. The only way for the knight to win against a bigger opponent is to use ranged weapons accurately, use pole arms, or to dodge behind and hamstring the monster. A troll on the ground is semi-helpless. However, hamstringing and backstabbing isn't very chivalric, and I doubt if the knight can move quickly enough. As to the comment above about the weight of real weapons, in many cases they were much lighter than we'd expect. Decades ago there was an exhibit from Spain at a museum in San Diego.. a entire table of 6 foot swords like in El Cid... I reached out and grabbed one by the handle and lifted it a few inches, just to check the weight, then set it carefully and precisely down. I looked up to see museum guards converging on me from all sides. They didn't expect a jr high school girl to be THAT interested in weaponry. It was embarrassing. 😊 Carolly the Curious


efer ( ) posted Fri, 06 May 2005 at 10:37 PM

I'd go for the Troll. It makes for a more interesting story than the typical "knight-defeats-monster" tale. Maybe the troll is the good guy in this story...or maybe he is not the good guy but he killed the good guy anyway... Eddie


templargfx ( ) posted Sat, 07 May 2005 at 1:16 AM

parhaps many of you didnt visit the actual gallery image, and read the little story to it, or my previous image which shows alot more into the troll in my fantasy universe! anyway, I have decided on the next image, unfortunately for all you comedians out there, the tree doesnt win (I was EXTREMELY tempted) but I wanted to keep it more serious I'll post a smaller version here when its done, and of course the full version, and the story of the action in my gallery

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templargfx ( ) posted Sat, 07 May 2005 at 1:17 AM

oh, I have 3 replica swords in my possession, and each are created as they would have been in the olden days, with the proper materials, and the two handed long sword weighs enough that any though of fighting with it one-handed would quickly fade away after a swing or two. japanese-steel on the otherhand is so light it's like its not real! now THATS a sword!

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freyfaxi ( ) posted Sat, 07 May 2005 at 1:56 AM

Going on the picture..that looks like whats called a 'bastard sword'..long enough in the grip to be used two handed..but mainly meant to be used single handed..also blade style is designed to be used against armour..stiff, diamond section for punching hrough plate..not really a cutting weapon..real life weight..prob no more than 5-6 lbs on average. My money..the Troll being relatively lightly armoured..he'll prob move faster and that mace would crush that armour :)


templargfx ( ) posted Sat, 07 May 2005 at 7:10 AM

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=950676&Start=1&Artist=templargfx&ByArtist=Yes

here is a link to the final render of the ending, I will get a smaller version in here asap, soo tired

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Kristta ( ) posted Sat, 07 May 2005 at 10:21 AM

Darn the tree didn't win. Checking out the final image. My second vote would have had to go to the mouse with the Uzi hiding behind the tree and my third vote to the troll. Knights killed dragons so trolls should kill knights.


danamongden ( ) posted Sun, 08 May 2005 at 9:53 PM

Another vote for the tree. It looks ready and poised for a surprise attack. Unfortunately for the knight, he looks better positioned to become the first course.


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