The Other was Zbrush2... Which one do you think I bought...?

ZBrush. :-) Yeah, it would be a tough choice.

If you like modeling a lot (unconventional way) than Z-Brush, but prepare yourself to be blown away (steep learning curve for clasic modelers, expecialy ones with nurbs background)...also, graphic tablet is almost a must with it...

Vue, what I heard, has a similar learning curve as Bryce has (bit steeper, maybe), and it's more rendering oriented, modeling capabilities are equal to Bryce :P

I heard good and bad things about both rendering engines (they are almost compareable), so you gonna have to do some more research in that field...eco-systems are very nice, that is why V5I is gonna be my future rendering app, I already have a very solid modeling software, SILO ! :D I think, your choice would be Vue !!! :P

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I am Prepared to be Blown away then... Can you say Evil Creatures soon to be here...(I say in a Very Evil and Much lower and Darker version of Vincent Price)

Oh, you will be, trust me...and not so soon either, creature modeling needs a LOTS of practice, in a 6 months, maybe ! ;o) Wish you luck ! :D

Only 6 months....? Naw lets see what I can come up with in 3 Months or Less.. It cant be harder to learn then Max3.1 or MayaPLE... Or Try Truespace..I own TruespaceSE and TrueSpace6.6 and then again one of the Hardest Programs ever to learn was WINDO$SE...That was a Nightmare...

Of course the Main reason I bought it was to Paint onto My models/Meshes I plan on useing in the Unreal Editor 3.0...

And Of course the Ability of it being able to handle 8 million polys,and most Programs choke on half that...

You mean, like Bryce and several tens of millions polys? :-) I found ZBrush to start being sluggish after several hundred thou.

Yep, cuz those 8 milion are not real, they are 2.5 D (as displacements), when it comes to real 3D polygons, nothing can beat Bryce (an ofcourse Maya, this one was for LSD !:P)

Just test it, try to import one of the higher resolution Bryce terrains (2048x2048) which is about 4 milion real polys in Z-Brush as OBJ, i would love to know what happens :P

Between Bryce Truespace6.6 and MayaPLE I have been haveing a Blast... Just Imagine the fun I plan on haveing with them and ZBrush2 and the Unreal editor 3.0

Whats Nice is the ability to Extract a Displacement map from you creations...

Good luck with Zbrush...I have 1.55b and I still suck at using it.But both the version I have and version 2 need a massive overhaul to the gui(and the camera system).If the "strange" process' of manipulating the views and all the (almost unessesary) extra functions dont bother you, Its a wise investment to say the least.I take it you have tried a demo right? Anyway, Zspheres are cool...so good luck..

I personally do not feel that I'm ready for such a shock yet, still need to master lotsa stuff in Sub-D modeling, expecially characters, i did only 2 and 1/2 till now :( Z-brush is on my list for a future, but after I purchase good rendering app, looks like that's gonna be Vue 5 Infinite, just hoping they are gonna implement displacements soon...:D

Personaly, I find sub-d modeling far easier and more effective in the long run.Sometimes in Zbrush I would sit around and tweak endlessly because I couldnt just ...you know, select the points/poly faces and put them in a proper arrangement right off the bat.There is no such thing as good poly flow in Zbrush.It doesnt really matter if you are only using the high rez models to make a displacement map, but I found thats almost the only reason to have Zbrush.Which I fould out I can do just as easily in Photoshop(by painting a disp map over a UV map) or do it directly in C4D using BodyPaint(in real time).You can do that stuff in Maya if I recall as well(although..not the PLE version).

Vue5 Infinite

They hardly do compare with each other, they're completely different applications, so why compare them at all?

Good luck, i would have choosen Vue! With Zbrush2, ive come to the point where i dont even want to open up the damn thing. I would risk killing somebody. Try something as simple as re-selecting your model after loading it in, and youll see what i mean. (a 64-step tutorial for this can be found at Z-brush central) And now with Maxon releasing a 64-bit version, theres really no reason of using Zbrush, unless youre a hardcore character/organic modeler.

Rochr...YOU READ MY MIND!!!LOL. Thats why mine is collecting dust as we speak.There are some really bad workflow problems that need addressing.

I hear ya. I really dont doubt that its a great app, but whats the point of turning even the simplest of moves into rocket science? Its only irritating.

I have ZBrush 2, and I haven't opened it also in ages. If you are a master at it, then it can be truly amazing. Needless to say; I have a life and don't have 23.75 hours per day to devote to it to advance beyond dabbler at it.

Ahhhh got to love it all...

Unfortunatly love slowly turnes into hate after a couple of hours with Zbrush... :D

I suck at organics and ZBrush and zspheres seemed godsent, but I cannot get the symmetry to work properly. One side is always messed up.

Thanks for the feedback... I will be Playing with it... I will also let ya all know the good and the Bad...

Attached Link: http://206.145.80.239/zbc/zb_memberdownload.php?getfile=PracticalGuide_A.zip

Thanks I already did.... The Problem you were talking about might be because after you deselect the Model it goes to 2.5D and you then cant reselect it...? I was Browseing the forum and stumbled upon that tidbit and thought maybe that might have happened in your case,So maybe there might be a setting that you can select that will keep the Model in 3D until you release it...? I do Plan on Learning the Program and I also Plan on bringing alot of my Characters into Bryce and MayaPLE for insertion into the Unreal Engine...Truespace will be a starting point for my already modeled Characters until I can get the hang of the Zspheres...

That might be the problem. Problem was when i worked with Z-spheres and tried to tweak the model. After browsing through the ZBC, i got some explanations on how to get it back(the 64 step tutorial for example), but once loaded, the stuff produces clones of the first unfinished object, which is untouchable for further tweaking. After a day or so with this idiot feature, i closed the program and havent opened it since. Im all for learning the tools, i know it takes time and thats totally ok, but this is about selecting an object for further work. Its kinda like loading a Bryce scene, and dig through 49 menus to select a single cube. I mean, whats the point? I might pick it up some day again though, but right now, its my favourite dust collector. :)

Yes, that's one of the stupidest things in almost any program I tried. Like, when you stop, you're finished. Yeah, right. They never heard about sleep? :-)

Then the only way to get something changed is to Yell louder... I am all for yelling louder to get something changed especially if it helps us Brycers out in the long run... And I will yell just as loud towards Zbrush too... Yes I will learn and I most likely will fling things in fits of fury...But hey I lost major amounts of time on my Wizard character that I built in Truespace6.6 and then Imported into MayPLE and then of course into Unreal Turnament 2004,I was alway forgettinbg to save and I would eventually go thru maybe 7 different versions until i finally came up with an almost finished character...

Rochr..It's a shame it didn't click with you..I'd love to see what magic you come up with using the app.

Cheers
Stefan

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Thank you!!! Thats actually the best explanation ive got for that problem, and the only one that makes some sence. Ill definitely give this a try. :)

Sweet