Is there one out there yet? I should probably check CL's site as I have a few more to report. I thought they beta-tested this?? Marque

There's beta testing, then there's the general public, who almost always do things with software that the programmer never intended... :) later jb

Wait until enough GOOD Python Scripts get posted, then you will begin to see the BAD stuff start to appear. Since there is NO REGULATION or TESTING of Python Scripts currently planned, and they have apparently full power to trash your Poser collection, your computer, plant and run viruses and Trojans, etc... This is like the first Woodstock folks. We are in the rain and mud while someone is out passing around the bad acid. Python scripts won't be BETA tests in some cases, they will be ALPHA tests, written late at night, using cut and pasting by total amatuers, and posted on Renderosity along with the "Good Stuff". When the disaster reports come in, then we will know what is the Good Stuff and what is the Bad Stuff. Wanna take some COOOOL acid, man?...

Fox, If people are smart they won't download any scripts, I'm not using a script, I'm using the program itself. I'm not even worried about the scripts yet. And I would rather have the power of the scripting and take my chances than have to wait for someone else to develop for poser, and then have to buy the addons from them. If people want to take a chance and download and use a script after all you've done then it's their problem if their system crashes. I agree that newbies should be warned and they are in the manual. Now, back to my original question, is there a bug list anywhere that I can check out so I don't list a bug that has been found. If we want to get them fixed, we need to be able to list them and what appears to cause them, otherwise it's just called bitching. 8^) Marque

Supposedly the CL people are out there LURKING and reading our posts. Otherwise, its just the usual catch as catch can. ScottA seems to think (or KNOWS) they are carefully note-taking everything bad that happens and that a "PATCH" will be on the way. I guess that's how it works...

I just emailed tech support at CL and they are forwarding it on to QA, at least that's what the email reply I got said. Hopefully we'll get something going and make this a professional endeavor so we can get the patches and get on with it. 8^) We also need to find out if someone is going to write something that will check scripts for problems, but I think that will probably come later. Marque

Oh..and Fox...lol I never went to Woodstock, I knew it would be a nightmare and I stayed away. Marque

cl steve did e mail me and i sent him one of the worst assembled characters that i had i told him if they can figure out how to get this to work then they should be able to fix all the others they do a good job of listening to what we want and need ive posted alot wrong with pp but its new and you have to exspect bugs its when the program has been out for 6 months and you dont here anything you should wonder another bug that scott tells me he found is when i go to the setup rrom it wont weld certain areaas this should be quick and easy to fix though!

We need to ask the moderators if we can have a temporary forum for the buglist and workarounds peeps have found. Marque

I sent them that Bug in an e-mail Trav. SteveY said himself that he's reading our messages. That's how I "know" they are working on the problems. They have a good history of fixing things. So I'm positive that they will take care of us. ScottA

I know they will take care of us, is there any place where people are listing what they find as they find it? Sorry, got bit by the organize bug. 8^) Marque

Yes- Why CAN'T WE have an Official Bug List? And why CAN'T WE have some rational method for checking Python scripts that could cause MASSIVE damage. Jeeez- we've Paid Money (most of us) for this software and are doing most of the Bug Testing after having PAID FOR IT... If we had an Official Bug List- Between us and CL we could track down what appears to be real bugs and what may just be procedural problems. CL has the biggest and best Bug-Testing Lab right here at Renderosity. Let's develope a logical format fixing what may be wrong...

Lol. You know the PP probably hasn't even made it to most people's door steps yet. You folks are doing such a great job finding the bugs. CuriousLabs might have a patch ready by the time they install it ;-) Cheers! ScottA

Hummm, maybe we can get on the list to test Poser 5.0 Huuummmmmmmm? lol Marque

Great Question! Who in the hell beta-tests this software anyway??? All of the most knowledgable people on this forum have apparently never even seen a copy until just the last couple of days- some just got their's today. Is this really "beta-tested" software, or is it Alpha-tested by a couple of people at CL and then mass-produced- Leaving the REAL users who actually use the crap out of Poser to do the beta-testing...

Great Question! Who in the hell beta-tests this software anyway???<<< Microsoft. ;-) Seriously, I have been here with my credit card in one hand and my mouse in the other waiting to order. However, I have to admit that after reading about all the problems and bugs I have discreetly returned my credit card to my wallet. You guys deserve more than a pat on the back from CL. You should be given the seats of the beta-testers after they slam their asses to the floor. Believe me, with all the bugs, issues, problems and potential disasters (Python scripts particularly) I have seen listed here just over the weekend, it is going to take more than just a single patch. In addition, every patch can and often does highlight or present other bugs and issues. It will be months, if not longer, before PPP becomes a viable product for those lacking debugging skills -- that would be the majority of CL's potential customer base. CL is a good company, a good bunch of people. However, on this project they get a resounding F. In just a few days you guys have uncovered issues that they should have uncovered long before this product ever left the beta-testing lab. And if they do not address the potential disasters waiting to happen with Python scripting they are just asking for a PR nightmare. Well, keep the faith guys and keep up the great work. It is needed! Take care.

It was beta tested, by quite a few people.

Well FastTraxx, they didn't do a very good job. As my own experience- at least 6 months ago or more I emailed CL about what type of support they would give to VIZ-3. They of course had never heard of VIZ-3, Discreet's other MAJOR 3D application which is about 80-90% of what 3DStudio is. I own VIZ-3 and run a 3DStudio interface on it. VIZ-3 runs nearly all MAX plug-ins (I have found almost NONE that DON'T work in VIZ-3) VIZ-3 is used by many Architects, Engineers, Designers, etc. It reads and saves MAX files and even does animation, including IK, etc. So anyway I told this to CL and they said something like "Yah, it should work too". In two more emails over the months I asked again if VIZ-3 would be supported and offered to beta-test PP for them on VIZ-3, each time basically getting the brush-off. But I thought- well at least when I get PP I can take the plugins and install them myself in VIZ, like I do all the other MAX plugins. BUT, when I get PP, they have it set up so that UNLESS IT FINDS 3DMAX (period), it will NOT ALLOW a VIZ-3 PP Plugin install!!! This is monumentally STUPID in my opinion. It shows they they pay little attention to Beta-Testing and even LESS to people offering valuable advice and help. To leave VIZ-3 off the MAX plugin install option is.... STUPID and CARELESS...

Go to Digimation, THE MAJOR Discreet MAX Plugin Publisher and see how many MAX plugins also support VIZ...

I haven't bought the ProPak yet. I keep hearing such negative things about it. Since I don't have it yet, please excuse my ignorance if I ask a really stupid question, but what is Python Script? I keep seeing that mentioned in threads about the ProPak, but I have no idea what it is. I apologize for my stupidity. :) Melanie

This is not a flame! Just posting my own annoyances with PP. Once I got it to work on my MAC , I think it will be a great program. But I had some MAJOR problems in the installation! Thanks for the headache CL* >:( Why these things aren't tested on every concevible machine they can get their hands on I don't know. I think that this time arouns, the PC side got the least of the worries, at least on the installation end. I have heard that they are already planning patches. So again we will patiently wait and see. I do believe that PP will be an invaluable product, but I guess we must all suffer first, and then enjoy PP as it makes it to maturity. But so far other than installation, I have been able to run things very smoothly. I say "so far" because I haven't fully tried out everything I can yet. *Well I do have it for the MAC, and the first problem was it couldn't find a bunch of MSL xxx.DLL files (strangly enough these are PC files converted to the MAC --bad move I'd say). then it proceeded to crash my computer BIG TIME. Well after the headache of completely reconfiguring my system, I got it to work, though I can not open Poser without the same anoying. James

Melanie- check out the new Python Scripting Forum...

Thanks, Fox-Mulder. I looked for the forum you mentioned, but I couldn't find it. Is it here in Renderosity? Sorry to be such a ditzy. I'm really out of the loop with this. Melanie

The link is over here -------------------> It's under the heading Topic Forums. And is called "Poser Python Scripting" ScottA