After spending a few hours playing with PPP trying to solve the missing triangle problem with groupings I found out something interesting. I was able to get PPP to save a cr2 WITHOUT it making an obj. I think I selected a parented set of clothes instead of the main figure then saved the whole figure. Anyway, I examined the cr2 and found the following: usemtl armbandright g m_rshould f 172/250 376/66 171/251 f 383/15 384/13 202/14 instead of usemtl armbandright g m_rshould f 172/250 376/66 171/251 f 383/15 384/13 202/14 Basically the first faces entry ends up on the same line as the group command. This would indeed cause the first face to be skipped. I tried bringing the face line down to the next line and reload only to get the same result upon saving and loading. My conclusion so far is PPP screws up the group line and concatinates the first face line, skipping its inclusion in the geometry data when the cr2 is read in. This would account for the missing faces. This corrupt data is then used to create the new obj file upon saving. Basically it appears to be a loader problem. Some how the loader must concatinate these two lines when parsing the cr2 and so the first face in each group entry is skipped. I'm guessing at this but, when I cut the messed up group data out and create an obj file from it using a text editor then view it in max I get exactly what I see in poser with the same triangles missing. Adding a carriage return to the correct lines then loading the obj created a perfect part with no flaws. I'm contacting CL about this as well. If they can't fix it I'm hoping I can come up with an exe that can pass thru the cr2 and do something to adjust for this.

its the group lines that have no group name that mess up. for example, usemtl armbandright g mrshould f 372/71 373/70 168/19 f 372/71 168/19 193/18 usemtl skin g f 225/36 226/151 373/70 f 225/36 373/70 372/71 curiouser and curious. I'm going to try a faux name and see if that fixes things.

That's exactly it. I did an experiment on one of my figure's messed up right shoulders. I replaced the blank group line with a line that added the geom to a distinct group ie g f 324/223 345/45 345/67 with g blah f 324/223 345/45 345/67 This WORKED and eliminated the dropped polygons. This is DEFINITLY what is causing the missing geometry for grouped objects.

I've found a solution. I did search and replace and replaced all lines that are: g with g blah in the custom geometry lines. This fixed the missing triangle problem. The figure works great now with no missing geometry. Basically you need to eliminate any lines in your cr2 that specify a group to the default group (no group name). I did this experiment on a fresh cr2 from poser 4,03 and it worked fine. It also saved and loaded fine allowing it to create the obj file. I've notified CL and hope they put out a patch for this. In the mean time you can salvage your cr2 files by doing this simple search and replace. I may write a small exe that can do this for you on the fly as well.

Impressive troubleshooting!

Seems like it would have been great if CL had put you on the Beta-test list in the first place. Who beta-tests for CL anyway?...

Mason your one bad mother! How can i edit it cr2 will the notebook work? i seen a cr2 editor once and havent been able to find it thank you by the way ;)

If you notice, CuriousLab's Joe Grover already explained this a few threads back ;-)

And I think this is why we need an area where the pro pack is addressed. You and I know that the threads slip by, all mixed up in other items, and if you don't check constantly you might miss something. I still vote for an area that addresses the pro pack so we can follow this thing. I can't find a bug report area anywhere at CL, sent an email to tech support there and was sent a reply stating they had kicked it on to QA. Still haven't heard a word. I would imagine the beta testers were recruited from this group of users, among others. I cannot believe that someone like myself has done something to bring out "hidden" problems, something the beta testers didn't have happen to them. Come on people!!! I just loaded the program and pulled in a regular Poser character! You can't tell me this didn't happen to the beta testers, which means they kicked out a defective product knowing this would happen. I at LEAST expect the company to acknowledge that they did this and not expect us to act like sheep and say, "oh, they've been good to us so we'll just accept the fact that every program has bugs and we can wait a few months for them to iron it out". It's not like I'm addressing the python issue, I'm addressing an issue that any person would come up against. I still use the male and female characters in some of my work, so I expect to be able to use them. I'm not even complaining aabout a morphed out character that I downloaded or bought, I'm talking about Poser characters that come with the program that you would expect to work!!! What's going to happen if I start using my Lightwave stuff? Sorry to rant but this is not acceptable for me to hunt through the threads to find an answer or to see if it's even being addressed!! If you want us to beta test it then give us some credit! Marque

Kupa requested that all PP related messages remain on the main Poser Board for now.

JeffH - Ooops, sorry. I didn't see that last thread. And I was so trippin' too that I found this :(

Hey, a find is a find :-) Everything helps.

Jeff, what's the thread address? Does he recommend a solution?

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JeffH - Sounds like Joe's solution is easier to implement but it destroys the group seperation. rnmolina - I'll look at this hip thing though I don't know if I can do anything

All that matters is the new materials anyway right?

i just tried joes way with wyrmm vouluptious vicki trying to fix it for him when i deleted just the g lines that didnt have any words following them it actually made it worse?

Why does the VV figure have it's geometry buried in the CR2?

well if you delete the g lines you can't go back with the grouping tool and do more editting. Making them part of a new group would maintain the grouping seperations. And yes, I've noticed some drop outs in VV myself. I haven't tried fixing her yet.

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