Love these hit and run posters. Posts a message, gets literally 51 responses, and never shows up to respond to a single one. An obvious troll.

Hmmm, must've been a "troll" gate. It appears there are only 4 (photos but no renders, per se) in the aforementioned person's gallery, also. Doth we smell something ............. Hmmmmmmmmm? ;=]

BTW - Anyone who has to send to a South American country to render a 10 million poly.......... what's that you say? Nevermind. ;=[

geep by the # of your posts in this thread you are the only troll. Are you trying to make people fight? By your style of writing and your assumptions it is as if you are in love with yourself. Why do you always post twice in a row? Are you answering yourself?

Message edited on: 05/31/2005 18:09

"Posts a message, gets literally 51 responses, and never shows up to respond to a single one. An obvious troll." I don't know what thread you're looking at but it appears he actually responded 3 times. Looking back, blasted is overracting on my part. But it does seem like the tones of many of the replies have been a bit more snippy than they needed to be. I can understand him not wanting to continue to post in this thread as a result. The guy's obviously new to poser, I don't think he's a troll as he's posted a number of topics which relate to trying to understand how to use Poser: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=2257474 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=2259606 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=2263595 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=2259166 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=2259166 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=2280703 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=2280803 etc... He's probably just frustrated with Poser right now and wasn't exactly diplomatic in his choice of expressing it here. I just figured that being the case it might be more beneficial for responders to explain to him why firefly and Poser do indeed not suck and how to achieve results with it. Some people did that, others focused on the negativity of the guy's original post - and I'm frankly surprised/dissapointed with a couple of posters who seemed to be better than that.. Seems to me the former is more productive than the latter. Cut the guy a break for now at least. If he keeps up with the badmouthing, then yeah he's probably a troll. "Sorry, but a guy that's using the latest high-end 3D apps in school probably isn't hard up." Who said he was? What has this got to do with answering his questions? Seems to me you've confused the whole handout topic you brought up with the guy's actual problems. Unzipped

Well, it seems to me the moral of the story is to learn to use the tools at your disposal, whatever they may be. Make sure the fundamental flaw isn't instead in you. It could be that you're not as familiar with things in program "X" as you could be or your approach is skewed. That applies not only to Poser but any application out there that has multiple choices and approaches. hawkfyr said it well, I think.

Uh Oh!! Someone called Dr. geep at troll.:O

If you do a search of posts by geep you will
find plenty of consecutive posts, such as.....
http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=2280990&Reply=2281042#3

geep a troll? I think not.

Matt

Hi Lana, Yup, I'm da big bad troll! ;=] And, yes, ... you can ask anyone here ... I am ALWAYS trying to get peeps to fight. And, yes, I am in love with myself ... it's hard to be humble when you're perfect, ya know. And, I ALWAYS post twice to make sure that people see and read what I've posted because what I say is very impotent. cheers, dr geep ;=]

Hi Lana, Yup, I'm da big bad troll! ;=] And, yes, ... you can ask anyone here ... I am ALWAYS trying to get peeps to fight. And, yes, I am in love with myself ... it's hard to be humble when you're perfect, ya know. And, I ALWAYS post twice to make sure that people see and read what I've posted because what I say is very impotent. cheers, dr geep ;=]

Thanks Matt. ;=]

Thanks Matt. ;=]

How's that Lana, 5 in a row!!!!! ;=]

"geep by the # of your posts in this thread you are the only troll. Are you trying to make people fight? By your style of writing and your assumptions it is as if you are in love with yourself. Why do you always post twice in a row? Are you answering yourself?" I don't think there is a single person in all of the Poser community who helps more people "understand" Poser as Dr. Geep. To quote the original poster's own words: "I just don't get it. I have raytraced way higher poly heads in Brazil (& even Max's scanline) and got better results in less than half the time. Whats wrong, & Where?" Then he says later: "The best part is I have Gesture Max(College has it, Not me), so importing stuff into max is a breeze. But the mesh is really very high res and bugs up Max." Sounds a bit contradictory, no? He then asks: "Is there any third party renderer for Poser which is faster." To which, he receives an answer from Stewer about exporting as RIB files to other renderers, which he all but totally dismisses. The rest of what he says is basically a sales pitch for 3dsMax, which doesn't really belong in this forum. To me, it sure seems like "someone else" was trying to start a fight... and apparently succeeded. Bye. :-)

Thanks Maxxx. ;=]

Yes, it's just you ............. apparently. IMVHO ..... ICBW. ;=] ;=] <----------------------- a 2nd one ............. just for Lana

Smoochy smoochy... I am always happy to hear from geep.

Smoochy smoochy... I am always happy to hear from geep.

Awwwwwwwwwwwww ..............
blush
;=]

Awwwwwwwwwwwww ..............
blush
;=]

uh-oh! Dr Geep is a troll. Dr Geep has a wife. That's going to mean only ONE thing. Lots of little trolls. Besides the proverbs such as "honest as a troll" (trolls are incapable of lying and recognize falsehoods instantly), being hard-working (the women are always cooking or doing laundry, and the men are plowing or hunting), and other good qualities... trolls do have one quality which gets them in trouble. They like human children, especially blond princesses, and will trade their babies for the human ones. They don't steal the kids, that would be bad. They make a fair trade. Now, if you notice that your baby is suddenly acting strangely: hair won't comb, throws tantrums, and won't stop shrieking... you might have a "changling". The way to tell is to boil water in an eggshell. Never fails. The troll baby has to make a comment. Of course, at that point you have another problem. Either you put your talking troll baby on TV or you try to find the parents. Carolly

Wow, what an echo in this thread.... thread.... thread....

"Why is it that ... those who have not posted a single render using Poser like to bash Poser the most?" Coz some people only like to post stuff they have made themselves. And not texture / shade someone else's model in a new way and perhaps light it up wonderfully and post it as "Test Render / Relism ? etc etc". And it takes a damn lot time to make a top notch model. :)

And you guys are pros anyway, and i'm sure ya know that. But I'm just learning modeling now. And they decided to use 3Ds to teach us that. And thats what i'm looking for...i'm sure everyone likes to see his models come up relly well in renders. And if a high end renderer(even if i don't own a pwersonal copy), can show me it was relly worth spending 3 damn days to build a car, with only 2-lights and give me decent results...Its cool.
And If I came accross as "Poser ? Firefly sucks", oops! My poor communication sklls! Sorry.
Coz these apps are great anyway. They let you have a personal copy of your own(without having to mortgage your house) to play with. The content's affordable, and the users too are very accessible.
Well, coming back to the thread. If there are some ways to take poser's output out to a third party renderer, we guys here might just mod POV ray for it.
Now that would be good. It won't be that useful and all, but still worth a shot.
Thanks! And fls13 link is great. Although i'm sure ya guys have already seen it. And oops, but i picked up the two msgs in a row habit too. sorry. One final request plz. Can Maxmodelz / Mer. geep or anyone else post a .pz3 file for me to see. I will see it in poser, your morphs, face setup, lights, material. Thats all. I won't steal ya work. Won't use it for commercial renders. And If i can get your kind of results...I would be more than happy. Thanks. Plz tell me if you can upload it on the net/mail me: at ashish_s_india@indiatimes.com or ashish_s@email.com or colmukesh@dataone.in Thanks a ton.

Message edited on: 05/31/2005 22:46

"Coz some people only like to post stuff they have made themselves. And not texture / shade someone else's model in a new way and perhaps light it up wonderfully and post it as "Test Render / Relism ? etc etc".

LOL! Interesting. :-)

Message edited on: 05/31/2005 22:40

Yes, and ... It, also, makes one wonder if they only use PCs that they have put together from integrated circuits that they have fabricated from silicon that they manufactured from sand that they ... Well, you get the idea. Hey maxxx ......... ditto! ;=]

Let me get this straight. You don't want to render other peoples models yet you want a third party renderer for Poser. Why would you want Poser at all if you don't want to render other peoples models? Why not just render in Max? Tom

One .pz3 file ... comin' up ... let me see if I can find one ... I think I had one around here somewhere. rummage, rummage, rummage These 2 postrs in a row brought to you courtesy of geep and dedicated to Lara. ;=]

.

Naughty, naughty Tom ... yer not susposed to axe ? like that, are you? ;=] There, now I have 2 in a row ... just for Lara. ;=]

Dang it ... someone is always interruptin' my duals. ;=[

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channels
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sm
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keys
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spl
sm
}
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keys
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spl
sm
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}
scaleZ zScale
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keys
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sl 1
spl
sm
}
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scaleY yScale
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keys
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sl 1
spl
sm
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keys
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spl
sm
}
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spl
sm
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rotateZ roll
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spl
sm
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sl 1
spl
sm
}
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rotateY yaw
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spl
sm
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translateZ zOffset
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spl
sm
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spl
sm
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translateX xOffset
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spl
sm
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}
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displayOrigin 0
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camera STD_CAMERA
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name GetStringRes(1025,6)
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keys
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sl 1
spl
sm
}
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spl
sm
}
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scaleZ zScale
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keys
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sl 1
spl
sm
}
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scaleY yScale
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spl
sm
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spl
sm
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scale scale
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keys
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sl 1
spl
sm
}
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rotateZ roll
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keys
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static 0
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sl 1
spl
sm
}
interpStyleLocked 0
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rotateX pitch
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keys
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static 0
k 0 0
sl 1
spl
sm
}
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}
rotateY yaw
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keys
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spl
sm
}
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translateZ dollyZ
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spl
sm
}
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translateY dollyY
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max 100000
trackingScale 0.002
keys
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static 0
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spl
sm
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translateX dollyX
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keys
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spl
sm
}
interpStyleLocked 0
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displayOrigin 0
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customMaterial 0
locked 0
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cameraModel real
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camera SIDE_CAMERA
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name GetStringRes(1025,11)
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dynamicsLock 1
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addToMenu 1
castsShadow 1
includeInDepthCue 0
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channels
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focal focal
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keys
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spl
sm
}
interpStyleLocked 0
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spl
sm
}
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keys
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static 0
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sl 1
spl
sm
}
interpStyleLocked 0
}
translateY dollyY
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keys
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static 0
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sl 1
spl
sm
}
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}
translateX dollyX
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keys
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spl
sm
}
interpStyleLocked 0
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scaleZ zScale
{
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forceLimits 0
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trackingScale 0.004
keys
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sl 1
spl
sm
}
interpStyleLocked 0
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Edited to remove all nudity, violence, dirty words, TOS violations, and TOP SECRET information. Message edited on: 05/31/2005 23:18

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addActor GROUND addActor UNIVERSE addLight spotLight 1 addCamera MAIN_CAMERA addCamera AUX_CAMERA addCamera POSE_CAMERA addCamera STD_CAMERA addCamera SIDE_CAMERA addCamera RIGHT_CAMERA addCamera TOP_CAMERA addCamera BOTTOM_CAMERA addCamera FRONT_CAMERA addCamera BACK_CAMERA addCamera FACE_CAMERA addCamera LHAND_CAMERA addCamera RHAND_CAMERA addCamera SHADOW_CAM_LITE 4 rootActor UNIVERSE rightCamera RIGHT_CAMERA leftCamera SIDE_CAMERA posingCamera POSE_CAMERA faceCamera FACE_CAMERA rHandCamera RHAND_CAMERA lHandCamera LHAND_CAMERA dollyCamera STD_CAMERA topCamera TOP_CAMERA frontCamera FRONT_CAMERA mainCamera MAIN_CAMERA auxCamera AUX_CAMERA useCamera MAIN_CAMERA pickActor spotLight 1 } illustrationParms { combineGradient 0 thresholdGradient 1 combineColor 0 overBlack 0 autoDensity 0 normalSegCutOff 255 bgStyle 8 useUVspace 0 autoSpacing 0.000000 colorBlend 0.000000 liteFactor1 1.000000 liteFactor2 1.000000 liteFactor3 1.000000 fgStrokeParms { lineLength 12 density 0.409963 minRadius 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antialiasing 1 textureStrength 1.000000 bumpStrength 1.000000 useTexture 1 useBump 1 castShadows 1 renderOver bgcolor toNewWindow 0 newWinWidth 640 newWinHeight 640 newWinDPI 72 } setGeomHandlerOffset 0 0.3487 0 }

Ok, there's yer .pz3 file ... now ... may I ask ... what are you going to do with it? Just curious. ;=]

Dr. Geep --

What can I say?

Except: BRAVO!

Well, Nice. I learnt a lot from it. But thats exactly the point. I'm here to learn, and unlike you I don't have the privil of being perfect. So, I would rather not flame. Just learn. Thanks for the tip anyway. :)

Are we about done with this? Thank you.