There is a new update for Vue infinite at e-on site 277944. I am going to install as my Infinite is so messed up it will either help or make things worst.

New update has unlocked our export for most things. Now I can export all trees that came with Vue in the plant collection. I have 3 plants that were given to me by vue because of a problem I had with Vue Pro. I have never bought any of the plants on e-ons site. That said these are the ones you have to have a code to install. These 3 are locked with the encryption code and can not be exported. That said if thats how its going to be with things from the new store then I will buy else where. Why not lock the ones in plant collection that comes with Vue but lock the ones that have to be bought. It seems to me one way or the other all have bought, either by buying Vue or by buying plants one at a time from the few that are available. Just don't understand the reasoning behind this at all. At lest I am glad my xfrog and rdna plants are now unlocked. Haven't tested any of the other stuff so will have to play awile to see how new update is going to be.

Are the cornucopia3d objects locked for export also? With the new update? I even can't install my purchased object, so I ask is the update worth to install... Mazak

I have not used my voucher to get any of the cornucopi3d objects so don't have the answer for that.
It has unlocked my plant objects that are xfrog and rdna so can export those.
I have just saved a mat file so that seems to be ok now.
Stay tuned as I am sure someone can answer your question as I am curious also. If the store items are to be locked then I want be using the store. To many other places to buy nice models to use unless we are locked again from using them.
I know some of the vue people are tired of hearing me and others grip or complain but if we don't then we not getting what we paided for when buying Vue Infinite.
I would much rather be making nice images in vue instead of trying to protect what I think is fair for consumers. :o)

Message edited on: 08/06/2005 15:49

I would assume they would have to fix their things at the store as well. Each item needs to be repackaged.. course that's my thought on it. None of my purchases work yet. Even with this new update.

The same lighthouse & various other things are still locked. It's willy nilly, pick n choose. DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What light house and where did you get it. It's possible I may have it and can try.

It's one I bought here.....I should add Some Poser items won't export either >:(

It's one I bought here.....I should add Some Poser items won't export either >:( It's in 3ds format. Xfrog trees appear to be ok. Will post image of Poser item being rejected.

Message edited on: 08/06/2005 17:25

Bummer.
I am going to reinstall Vue Pro on my computer and use it to compare what works and don't work in Vue Infinite.
I feel sorry for the ones like Dale and John and others who have to listen to this stuff but how are they to know if we don't show them what is happening.

I just found out I can not export RDNA files that are saved as vob's. I give up untill another update is ready. Hope its not long.

I have all of Alan Garcia's free models that he once had for download and can not export any of them. :o(

Message edited on: 08/06/2005 17:41

In addition, after loading the update & rendering those 2 pics, I had to reboot each time...computer came to grinding halt >:(...Major memory leaks it appears.

I have not had any problems with any of the products I purchased with my voucher from the cornucopi3d store. I have only updated to the one before this version....so I could use these items. I feel bad, cause the only problem I am having is the terrain editor filter, but actually found away around it. So strange....why is everyone else having problems? Sharen

Sharen can you load an xfrog plant, rdna or One lisa's plants from Daz that was imported from poser as a pz3 and saved as a vob. Same goes with any of the old A Garcia models that are saved as vob's. See if you can export any of these. I think there may have been 2 more updates after the one that would let you use what you bought from the store. That is where some of the problems are in latest updates. What version update are you using.

As, Iloco, stated this has NOTHING to do with store items at all. This has to with items we have purchased in 3ds/lwo/obj format & PZ3's we have brought into Vue & saved as a native view item .vob. For example, I bought one of the Dystopia set in lwo(lightwave) format, saved as a .vob & now it's locked from export back out Vue.

I'm running version 859. I can still export Vue plants (that came with the product and those created by Dreampaint) in .3ds format. I can still export RDNA stuff. I cannot export Xfrog stuff, but never tried before either. I imported them into Vue from 3DS format. Didn't download anything from the store, so no info there. Sorry

Folks, this is a beta update, and wasn't one that was supposed to be released publicly either. I don't pretend to know how it's wound up on the public update page, though it is clearly marked as a beta, but my advice is don't download it.

Did a couple tests.

Imported a PZ3 saved & tried to export, all went fine.

Imported another, one that I had converted back in Vue4 & it's a no go. Tried about 10 of these.

So it appears any item(with very few exceptions) won't export O.O.

WTF????? SInce Vue4 did not allow for exports did the !@#$ auto-lock everything?? >:( GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Message edited on: 08/06/2005 18:48

I don't understand why Vue would ever have let you export the contents of a PZ3, it shouldn't have, and my V5i never has.

Wow. You guys have already beta tested this latest version and I only just got out of bed. Excellent :)

No offense Jwhitham...but please read the WHOLE thread. It's not just PZ3's that have been converted over .vob...it's many other formats. Anyway, I think I discovered the issue as mentioned above...reporting this to tech support.

Message edited on: 08/06/2005 19:11

Don;t blame us If it wasn't suppose to be released for us to download. The blame should go to whom ever put it up for all to download. Not blaming you John but I think a lot of us are getting tired of being the ones who everyone that works for e-on trys to put the blame on. This is getting plumb riducles and all because of the new store and encryption. I for one would rather it stayed as it was. Yes I am getting upset with all the blame games when its not our fault. :o( All whos working for e-on should be glad you got a group of beta testers who find what it seems others are not finding.

Iloco I wasn't blaming you for anything, I was pointing out to anyone, like Sharen, who might have got the idea from this thread that's it's an officially recommended update, when it's actually a beta.

Quote: "I don't understand why Vue would ever have let you export the contents of a PZ3, it shouldn't have, and my V5i never has." Post #20 - no mention in your 1 response of quote "I was pointing out to anyone, like Sharen, who might have got the idea from this thread that's it's an officially recommended update, when it's actually a beta. " No mention of this in in Post 20.... Post#30 - showing where yes this can be done. As of just about an hour ago. Anything YOU yourself saves as a .vob should be exportable...period, end of story. Let me re-iterate. Items you have BOUGHT or items you have downloaded/paid for in 3ds/lwo/obj format and converted to .vob. Now then, I'm not attacking you, but please lets keep it straight if at all posible. Cripes...can't we ALL just admit there is an issue & be done with it. No one is lying, no is deliberatley trying to disperage E-ON.....I mean we all paid upwards of $600.00(not including updates). We aren't here just flapping are gums for the hell of it. I've got better things to do, then render & try to prove what we are talking about. Sorry, but I'm tired & frustrated. But at least I think I found the culprit. Can't we all go back to being nice :) It's Saturday night & we are supposed to be in a good mood....instead, myself & others wasting our time debating on what is true & not true.

I know john but when you said it wasn't suppose to been put out for us then I wonder who is to blame for that. If sharen had downloaded would we have been to blame for reporting it was on e-ons site for download. I think we all on edge and I know its not you blaming anyone. Typing is not like talking eye to eye and I understand. Vue want let you export a pz3 file. Its only after its been converted to a vob that we export it. I think thats what dlk ment and you misunderstood her. :)

Thank you Iloco...exactly....... On the edge is a stretch :(.

In the thread named "Encryption of files is bad for everyone, creed2003 shows that we could export 3CD objects that he shows in an image that he exported as a 3ds. Now somthing has happened after this or the encryption hadn't been put in at that point. This thread is a few down from this one if anyone wants to look.

SERENITY NOW!!!!!!!!!!! From Seinfeld :)

Has someone here checked if VOB's created by a previous build version are recognized by a later build without locking their exporting?

Sent this to E-on and their forum...

Im only going to say one thing. As a purchaser of Vue 4, 5, and Infinite, and as a commercial designer, I have produced several models for myself in light wave and 3DS formats. I imported these to Vue and saved many in .vob format. This was done simply for my convenience.

These are my creations, not E-on softwares. They are not sold, given away, traded, pirated, or otherwise.

Simply put E-on, you have taken the liberty to encrypt my work. I did not give you permission to do this. You have stalled several commercial pieces in process or delivery, and set several design projects behind schedule.

Yes, I have the models in my other formats other than as a vob file. Some will import, others will not.

I have sold over 50 business clients your software by referring them to your site back when Vue 3 was first released.

I suggest you forgot the store idea, and restore your software to its prior operating capability as soon as possible. I am sure you realize the damage this is doing to your otherwise excellent reputation and your relationships with long term customers. . Encryption may be a good idea. Applying it to others works in even a different format is not acceptable. Your non-beta release of 277929 does not fix this problem on all prior objects, even those in a non-vob state. Now you mistakenly released 277944 which most forums state DO NOT DOWNLOAD.

Isnt it time for the management of Vue Software to issue its uses a formal apology and their plans for correcting these issues? No offense to the artist representatives who may or not be on Vue Software payroll, but your replies and defense of E-on should not be necessary. This should be addressed by E-on Software management on the E-on site with an apology to all its customers.

It seems that objects that I've had around for a long time (Vue4) can't be exported. For example, 3dplants, Alain Gracia's, some of Rodluc's stuff, Xfrog, can't be exported. All of my new RDNA and Taschen stuff works fine.

Errr.... the program patches (builds) from e-on's web site, for Vue 5 Infinite have always been marked "Beta".

As far as i know, there are no non-beta updates (at least until the next full version).

If you do not download those you will not benefit from the bug fixes and your version will remain as it was installed from the box.

I have installed every one of them (except the newest one reported in this thread) and gotten a lot of improvements and bug fixes, including a fix for a problem i reported myself.

Message edited on: 08/06/2005 21:05

I just want the stuff I HAVE bought/created myself to be unlocked - period. Not much more to say. As, I've stated, it appears though OUR testing this applies to .vobs we have created in prior versions of Vue(4/4Pro/5 and some in V5I). That said with the latest update of V%I anything that is created NOW, as in after the lastest update is good to export(about a few hours ago). Just not anything created prior. Ditto lingrif :)...that's the point :)

Message edited on: 08/06/2005 21:25

Just read a post on e-on V5i forum "New updates in Updates for Vue Infinite" that says the latest patch is not suppossed to be available to the public. This post does not include a response from e-on staff, so who knows. Anyway, i personally am not installing any more V5i patches until this whole Corucopia business is straightened out.

It was in this thread that john said it wasn't suppose to be released. That is where the word came from. Here is his quote from one the above threads. "Folks, this is a beta update, and wasn't one that was supposed to be released publicly either. I don't pretend to know how it's wound up on the public update page, though it is clearly marked as a beta, but my advice is don't download it."

Yes, i saw that post and i responded that "..they are all betas." If it was "not supposeed to be released" BECAUSE it's a beta then that makes no sense. There are no non-beta Vue 5i patch builds and never have been, AFAIK. So my question is: "Why was it not supposed to be released, and how does he know that it was not supposed to be released?" Hope that clears things up. I'm feeling pretty silly here quoting rumors from one forum to another and quoting my own quotes. I'm goin to shut up and wait for the fixes now. :o)

The plan worked out when 292 proved a bit of a brat was for the next update, due Monday, to be privately fielded to the C3d admins and moderators to test. I have no idea why it was put public, but =none= of us knew about it until we read about it here. It is untested by us. I'm going to bed now, before I get too annoyed with circumstances..... :/

You think that the locked Vue files are a problem. I’m trying to do animation. The render farm was unstable with 255 but it work half the time. Now on any real work it just craps out giving me a little window saying OK. I have stop doing any more work because I need the render farm to work. I can’t be rendering on only one machine and waiting 20 hours or more for 6 seconds of animation. I’m thinking about switching to Eovia’s Carrara 4. It will do terrains and Poser imports. Dale

I haven't read through all of this here. So maybe it was said before already. One word to Debbie. It was alwayxs impossible to export most of Poser stuff. Full stop. Same with Alains Gracias free models too. It was a feature that came with the introduction of exports that artists were able not to allow that. My guess - my guess - is that this is a contractional thing between companies/merchants and e-on. That DAZ/Poser stuff is allowed for import only when export can be controlled. Again, my guess. I really wonder why you haven't realised that before Debbie. There was no version with the export feature that allowed what you are now asking for.

Just to be kept updated.

I have update 277859, yes I import a pz3, from Propack, it exports, I tried, my models, a few of RDNA and a tree from Lisa B. All worked fine. Sharen

Sharen this is what is so confusing one person says there can be no exports and you just say you can. Been so many updates I am getting confused. Can anyone tell me if 277659 is before the encryption or is it the one that has the encryption so people could use the encrypted stuff from 3CD
Doesn't make sense to me at all.
Same with putting an upgrade out that hadn't been tested. :(

Message edited on: 08/07/2005 05:15

My other machine is still running Vue4Pro. I just tried to export a RodLuc model, an Alain Gracia model and an Xfrog tree. All of them were locked for export. I should add that the Xfrog trees that were locked were the ones I purchased separately. The models that came with Xfrog exported fine. Obviously, with some models, it's been that way all along.

Message edited on: 08/07/2005 05:23

Thanks Lin, exactly what i said and nobody wants to hear.

Part of the export thing always was the option to control that by the owner of the model.

I agree that there was an issue with the last update (before this one that i have not tested yet) as well regarding the export.

Your tests explains as well why some people seem to can export items and others can't. I for example know which of my items can be exported and tested those in my earlier report. And of course didn't tried with items that i knew before it is not intended to work.

Message edited on: 08/07/2005 05:28

But these models are not locked to one computer as I understand that is how the Store intends them to be.

I have all of A Garcias models on a cd that I can use on any computer I have Vue installed on.
With e-ons encryption they are locking each model to the one computer Vue is installed on.
Am I correct that is how it works.

Lin can you check the other models that want export and see if you can use them on another machine. If you don't have one thats ok because I have tryed and they work. Was just wanting to confirm that its not only me.
That brings me to ask why is a model locked for export when it can be used on any computer with Vue installed. Was it ment for Vue users only to use it and not others who want to export.
To many things have me confused and only way to find out is to ask questions.

Message edited on: 08/07/2005 05:55

Not sure of your question, but the models I have reside on both my machines and can be used by both Vue5I and Vue4Pro. Now, if I understand the way the store models are set up, you can only use them on one machine, which wouldn't be cool if you had two licensed copies of Vue5I. You'd have to buy two copies. Another question I have. I have a licensed copy on Vue5I on one machine and a licensed copy of Vue5E on the other. I don't think I should have to buy a copy of a model for each version of Vue5. Especially since I only got credit for one voucher. Both copies were upgrades (one from Vue4Esprit and one from Vue4Pro).

Wabe, seems that some cannot export models they created themselves, which can't be right. I'm trying to export one of my Xfrog models right now. This model was exported in Xfrog from native .xfr to .lwo, then in Vue, I saved it as .vob, now I'm trying to export it in .3ds, looks like it's working, only incredibly slowly. Will make other tests later.

You understand my question Lin. Its as we are crimanals and going to give the copys to everyone who don't buy them from the store once we have them. Vue Infinite can be downloaded from peer to peer servers that will work on any computer. Updates are there as soon as they are released that will work. I agree some will abuse the right of others but its the honest who are having to suffer because of this. I chose to buy instead of using pirated software to suppost a program I really like. Seems this is going to change if it continues on its present path. Daz, Rdna and other 3rd party sites trust us more than e-on. This really agravates me for a company to do this.

Seems I'm having other problem, won't export, but for diffrent reason: takes ages to export, and looks like the operation won't finish, I had to abort it. Oh well, another annoyance! To add to the thread, one of the features advertised for Infinite was " export entire scenes ", so they are definitely not respecting their contract if you can't export content you buy from c3d. Plus, I own Infinte and Pro Studio, and should be able to use my purchases in both apps.