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Zhann ( ) posted Mon, 29 August 2005 at 7:37 PM · edited Sat, 02 November 2024 at 10:21 AM

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Well, I had this great idea and rendered it, but something's missing, I had to leave the image for awhile and then lost what it was I was going for, and now have hit a wall as to what to do with it....so I'm looking for suggestions....

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bandolin ( ) posted Mon, 29 August 2005 at 7:49 PM

I'm kinda stumped by the ENORMOUS! moon. Yikes, the gravitational forces it would exert would cause your world to experience constance earthquakes. I'm sorry I can't help, but I just can't take my eyes off that moon.


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erosiaart ( ) posted Mon, 29 August 2005 at 8:11 PM

lites and blue skies? lol at bandolin!! but yeah.. i was wondering at the huge moon..that seems to be yr subject mmore than the city..a silent moon creeping onto an unsuspecting city? I do know what's missing...billboards! Hoardings! ;-);-) don't mind me..I've turned into an ad freak here ever since me entered the ad world... but yeah..make it a teeming city instead of one with just brown bldings, lites and a few flying thinggies...


ysvry ( ) posted Mon, 29 August 2005 at 8:37 PM

well if there are earth quakes depends on how dense the mass of that moon is im amazed bando can calculate it just from this one pic. I think its a great picture make your moon as big as you want.

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RodsArt ( ) posted Mon, 29 August 2005 at 9:02 PM

What you're looking for is exactly what you need. "Suggestion"!! The moon is the power piece in this(brighter white), the City could be darkened quite a bit with the moon casting backlighting artifacts on the buildings, which would create more of a Suggestion of the City. Pin lights across the bulidings to give them a bit of detail. The uniformed color is giving it a flattened look. Just my .02 ICM

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Sans2012 ( ) posted Tue, 30 August 2005 at 1:54 AM

Looking really nice so far. I don't know about the gravitational pull and earthquakes and all, but, I think the moon maybe looks a little big. Maybe if you went in a little more on the city and concentrated on the ships and traffic a little more, it could look excellent. The detail and textures on the city look cool enough to carry the scene. 20 cents Australian;)

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Zhann ( ) posted Tue, 30 August 2005 at 4:21 AM

I was wondering if Jupiter would look that big from one of it's moons, and so the moon being really big (being a gas giant I guess Jupter has not much pull?).....I have been doing several versions of this with no luck... will try all the suggestions and post back, thanks, keep them coming...=)

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cambert ( ) posted Tue, 30 August 2005 at 5:16 AM

Maybe a slightly different POV regarding the buildings - they all look a bit too straight and 'lined up' at the moment. ICM's point about their uniform colour is a good one; probably more light/dark contrast and classy glassy reflectives to bring them to life.


Stoner ( ) posted Tue, 30 August 2005 at 5:38 AM

I agree with cambert. A more dramatic POV would be great. It would add more "life" to the scene. Great work so far thou.

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bandolin ( ) posted Tue, 30 August 2005 at 7:14 AM

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I see where you're coming from Z, I think. Is the city on the gas giant, or is the moon a gas giant? The link above is how I handled it.


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Erlik ( ) posted Tue, 30 August 2005 at 7:21 AM

I'd say it's not a matter of POV. Zhann, you just need something (aircar or stuff) in one of sweet points, so it serves as the focus of the pic. You also need different, softer light, something like GI. And bit more of haze. It's too clear.

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pumecobann ( ) posted Tue, 30 August 2005 at 7:27 AM

Can't really suggest anything, except perhaps just a "tiny" hint of smog or haze. I like the idea of the huge moon BTW - really makes it look dramatic.

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scoleman123 ( ) posted Tue, 30 August 2005 at 8:59 AM

Well as far as suggestions go: 1 the moon (for as close as it is) needs a little more 'deffination' 2 ICM has the right idea. brighten the moon, and darken the city, slightly 3 a few more signs of life wouldnt hurt. SC

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skiwillgee ( ) posted Tue, 30 August 2005 at 10:29 AM

Yes, Jupiters moons are extremely effected by gravity. Io, I believe is volcanic, and the frozen Europa is speculated to have liquid water beneath its surface partly because of Jupiters gravitational effects.


pakled ( ) posted Tue, 30 August 2005 at 11:01 AM

all moons are affected by gravity..;) If you want big moons, go to Mojo..;) yeah, I likes it, just needs some contrasting colors to brighten it up..keep on it.

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diolma ( ) posted Tue, 30 August 2005 at 3:43 PM

"I was wondering if Jupiter would look that big from one of it's moons, and so the moon being really big (being a gas giant I guess Jupter has not much pull?)" Errm .. if you are going for reality, then be aware that Jupiter (and Saturn, which is smaller), although made up of gases (except possbly at the core) actually mass much greater than the Earth. Jupiter's gravitational pull is enormous. (It's sometimes referred to as a "failed star", being not far from the mass limit which starts the gas to implode under it's own gravity, thus starting ignition - as happened with our own sun). Jupiter's moons (at least the nearer ones) are greatly affected by Jupiter's gravity (as skiwillgee states). And Gas Giants are amorphous - they have no solid surface, so no crater impacts, rock-like formations etc.. OTOH - if you're NOT going for reality (hey, this is sci-fi/fantasy!), then maybe the "Planet" is really a moon, which by some freak of nature (and, let's face it there are enough of them about, especially in politics - but I won't go there), ended up as a thin skin of rock over a hollow, vacuum surface:-)) (The rock was molten at 1st, with a bubble of air inside; the heat of the rock expanded the air and gradually cooled and solidified...or something like that. Not scientifically sound, but semi-plausible) :-)) Cheers, Diolma



Zhann ( ) posted Tue, 30 August 2005 at 7:30 PM

Thanks for all the suggestions, scientific and otherwise, yeah this is scifi, not really going for the correct physics here, working on it with suggestions incorporated, will post when done...... as an aside, for some reason I can't get back in the zone with Bryce, don't quite know what it is, I have been working in C4D though, learning it and trying to do scenes, so far they are all crappy....but I want to still use Bryce for setups and stuff....just don't seem to know or have ideas for Bryce scenes lately....or the ones I do don't look like what's in my head, a head to hand blockage maybe......it's very disconcerting

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pumecobann ( ) posted Wed, 31 August 2005 at 4:25 AM

That's called "Brycers' Block" I think, and it's something I suffer from on a permanent basis :-P

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