We all have our pet peeves where Poser is concerned. What are yours? RULES: 1) Keep it general; 2) PLEASE - No naming names of sites, or merchants or saying anything that hints to whomever or whatever it is you are referring to!!! My peeves are: 1. Sales that end a day or two before payday; 2. Not being able to undo more than the last task; 3. Too many places online to look for poser content; 4. Whan a favourite site drops off the net without nary a word; 5. Ambiguous Readme files that don't address the person's copyright; 6. Those blasted Windows thumb files that are included in zipped files, often in duplicate or triplicate or even more. 7. Sites that require registration to access FREE files.

To these I would add: Vendors who supply products in an executable installer rather than in a simple .zip file.

Long and complicated readme files. Readme files in html with a folder image. Readme files named "readme.*" (how helpful can you get?) Addon products that don't specify for what model(s) they are. Zipfiles IN zipfiles. Thumbnails in RSR format only (in new products for P5-P6) (commercial products - if it's free, I take it, say thank you and convert the RSR myself) Textures for tiny models that are over 1MB in size. And most of all, COMMERCIAL products that include one or more of the above!!!

In no particular order: 1. Executable installers are evil. Evil I tell you. Can't look in them, they spend endless time searching for target runtimes... just miserable. 2. My peeve that some of you know is cryptic file and folder naming in products and folders within folders within folders. And sometimes folders within folders within folders within folders! 3. Oh! Poser product promos rendered in Max! 4. Sites that require registration to access FREE files What is that about? How about a one click button to "register" for the site's membership stats and they can just use spyware to scam my e-mail address. 5.Add-on products and freebies that don't make clear they are add-on. Why is there no add-on vs. stand-alone filter in the Market place like there is in the Freestuf search? No figure filter either. 6. I don't real dig when people repeatedly post in the forum to let us all know about their new mystery freebie on their commercial site and when you get there the freebie is a ball or cube privative or some such. can't they post the freebie in freestuff as a site link? Then at least we know what is going on. My biggest anti-peeve? All the lovely knowlegible (can't guess at the word close enough for my spellcheck) people in the forum who take dumbass questions seriously and who never treat you like an idiot even when you are being an idiot.

My biggest anti-peeve? All the lovely knowlegible (can't guess at the word close enough for my spellcheck) people in the forum who take dumbass questions seriously and who never treat you like an idiot even when you are being an idiot.<< I second that one! loll IMO people who treat others like idiots (even when they are being idiots) are the greatest idiots!

Another pet peeve of mine... Merchants that don't list credits for things used in their promo images. Promo images that are so "arted" up and embellished, that you can't see the forest for the trees and have to spend eons trying to figure out what's in the package, only to find that most of what you are seeing and ooing and awing over, ISN'T.

My biggest peeves would be : 1. Inability to fully customise your runtimes how you want them. 2. Low contrast in Poser colours (grey on grey on grey). 3. Out of Memory errors on small scenes that seem inexplicable and not properly explained. 4. Unneccessary characters in Merchant products to ensure they are the top of your runtime folders. (!!!! ~~~~) 5. Readme files that are called readme and are put in the Poser main directory when extracted (Can't remember how many times I've overwritten it). 6. Poser's use of xml for the interface which has the wonderful benifit of being infinitely adjustable and customisable. But they've done the coding so impossibily complex that it's nigh on impossible to achieve what you want without totally stuffing it up. 7. Feet poking through stockings........ 8. Conforming clothing that conform properly to the figure it is supposed to conform to.

1. readme files that only contain copyright info, especially when there is no directory structure in the zip file.
2. Thumbnails that don't explain what the thing is..ok..mainly the text description that has the product name, and not what it's for (for those of us using Poser Vintage Edition [4, or PP], multiple runtimes may not be feasible)
3. Not 'blowin yer horn' somewhere in the description (call me strange, but I don't know how many times I've used some bit 'o clothing, and have no idea whose it is..it's the only reason I sometimes don't give credit where it's due..;)
4. Freebies that don't tell you who or what character something's for..if I only collected those items that work with what I own, I'd only have 100 CDs full instead of 130..;)
5. a better method of organizing dependent objects, textures, morphs, etc (I wish there was a way to just have a 'Vicky' folder, and everything I need was there..instead of a 8 megabyte Access database that still doesn't always get me where I need to go
   On that..is there a handy dandy tutorial that would explain, say, how to parse a CR2 or somesuch so that you could add comments, or even change the names of some things to find stuff more easily? Sorry if I'm being redundant to the folks above..but this is my list..;)

As a newbee: Difficulty sorting out the library because things go all over the place. I know I can learn to fix this - but organizing files is becoming a new time-consuming hobbie that takes time away from what I want to do most. (Poser folks - please fix this in version 7!) Thanks Seattletim

Quote - 8. Conforming clothing that conform properly to the figure it is supposed to conform to.

That's a pet peeve? To me that's a dream come true!!!!

Since last week, I've started using prpc script and P3dO Explorer to open files in Poser... This is GREAT! I can now put all the files related to a specific model in one library folder (say character) and then I find everything I need right there in one location. A big big kudos to Yarp and Mort for those marvelous tools that save me at least 80% of the time I spend creating Poser scenes!

Ooops That shoulda been... 8. Conforming clothing that DOESN'T conform to the figure it is meant to....... (it's 2am here, gimme a break!) lol

1. The wierdness of Firefly. IE - waiting 2+ hours for a render that looks pathetic. 2) Second skin textures that distort even for the most non-extreme poses. 3) Lipstick textures that don't always line up (especially on the commercial ones). 4) The fact that Poser will not remember 'IK off' even on resaved cr2's. 5) Psychedelic asshats who think that what we do in Poser is "no big deal" and then offer up warez copies of 3DSMax in a public forum (don't panic, it wasn't this forum). No kidding, I actually met one of these "warez-dealing-3D-purist-crotchsniffers". Let me tell ya folks, the experience was downright orgasmic...NOT!

!!!!!!! products not compatable with poser 4 yet they use rsr files and not png files. !!!!!! "armor" or "space suits" that shows more skin than it hides !!!!! tits = hits/winning image/the majority of images !!!!<--- those dam things !!!Product that require an additional purchase (this is a specific product but I'm trying to be vague) !!forum threads about nudity !so few merchants taking advantage of the material room

In the Poser application category: 1) Clunky user interface that takes up way too much screen real estate (haven't those guys never heard of dockable toolbars?) 2) Not fully scriptable 3) Hierarchy windows open up fully expnded, instead of collapsed 4) Lousy and slow collision detection 5) Unstable and counterintuitive Python GUI toolkit (Tkinter) Never encountered such a sloppy product. In the Poser content category: 1) Absolute paths in content, instead of runtime relative 2) Those damned !!!!!!s 3) Lack of subfolder structuring (P4/PP/P5 versions in one and the same folder) 4) Badly named textures - "body.jpg" is NOT descriptive! 5) Eyebrows/pubic hair painted on body texture instead of transmaps 6) Bad grouping in props 7) Non-logical material zones - requires the use of the supplied textures, a large hindrance for using procedural materials 8) Lack of material room support

• Those extra PBMDC morphs you can't get rid of. - Products that should include templates but don't. - A gallery saturated with big-boobed women and all the people who love complementing them. - MAT files still stuck in the Poses folder. - How Poser technicians still leave all sorts of Mac Classic elements. - When you get pose packs and the models arms are sinking halfway into its legs, etc.

-Those DAZ .exe installers that say Poser 5 and still install the P4 versions and .rsr files. -The EF new policy of putting the .obj in the same folder as the cr2 - in time we will end up with endless folders within folders. - MAT files in the cm2 or lt2 directory

Oh, .exe installers should be banned. Not only are they evil, but they often make things completely unusable to Mac users, and I know I'm not the only one. If we're clever, sometimes we can extricate content with Stuffit Expander, but not usually. Gr.

Also: the fact that no one has made a Mac application to let us make MAT poses without drudging around in text files. Also: the fact that I'm too lazy to learn how to do it myself. ;)

But I must echo you, Momodot-- my biggest anti-peeve is all the generous and helpful people on this and other forums who offer their time, patience, models, expertise, and all sorts. I imagine you all know who you are. Thanks!

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Saro - MAT files still stuck in the Poses folder. in Poser 6 you can put them in the materials folder. tastiger - The EF new policy of putting the .obj in the same folder as the cr2 - in time we will end up with endless folders within folders. but with the obj in with the cr2 you eliminate the need for the geometry folder. So you have fewer "folders within folders". Strangechilde - Also: the fact that no one has made a Mac application to let us make MAT poses without drudging around in text files. Poser 6

Might I add -- Inability of most Poser content store to provide any reasonable way of filtering products. If I'm looking for hair, I want a CR2, HR2 or at worse PP2, I don't want to have to wade through dozens and dozens of texture maps. The same is frequently true when looking for clothing. Can't these stores separate the mesh from the map? I'm also not too keen on products I paid good money for suddenly undergoing "restructured" pricing... Or, suddenly becoming free.

1. Inverse kinematics! Die Inverse kinematics! 2. M3 and his Jaw. The Jaw must die! 3. Poser loads for 30 mins and then says "Please locate bump map X" >_< 4. Vicky is 7'11 tall I tell you. She's a freak. You can't use her with P4 figures. :( 5. Like my friend said after trying to render a scene with 20 figures in it :"This piece of **** is good for nothing except pinups" I told the git Poser would crash but he didn't listen. :P Really...It's like poser is designed only for pinups. 6. PCB EMB ...FBM...-... All my characters have gazillion dials that do nothing. 7. Firefly and hair. I haven't managed to make any hair look good in firefly. And I wont start painting it. I wont! 8. Most V3 characters look the same. They are all Angelina Jolies evil twins. 9. Can't do scenes that look big..It's allways either a background image or some sad prop that doesn't look like a proper scene.

1. Zips that contain Thumbs.db files...the owner is too lazy to checkmark it so it doesn't zip up the system files. 2. Read Me files that don't give the url where the product came from. 3. Poser product promos rendered in other programs. 4. Folders that are 4 or more deep 5. Folders that are named after the artist and not the product. 6. Sites that require registration to access FREE files 7. LZH files...why can't they just stick to simple zip files that everyone can open instead of making you get another program to open their file.

"in Poser 6 you can put them in the materials folder." I know, but still stuck with P5, and I will rant about it anyway because it should have been fixed a long time ago. Here's a few more: - Firefly, in general. A useless, spiteful and tedious renderer that only spits out good images when there are no eye lashes or hair of any sort. - When people get the file hierarchy wrong and force everyone else to fix it for them once DL'ed. - All millenium figures and their horrible facial expressions. Can't do anything realistic with smiles. Or teeth. Am I the only one who thinks the teeth look weird?

My PetPeeves that I can think off at the moment:

1.) Blue screen (Yeah..WinXP) then Reboot, when render is half complete.

2.) Not able to import: Lightwave 6,7,8 meshes, other 3DS files like Max. Get error message. (Licencing I guess goes with that).

3.) Sites that need you to register to access Free stuff.

4.) Zipp files that are WinRAR. 5.) Only can do small scenes. Have to use Backgrounds to compensate. 6.) Buy a product, and find out later the Product ads (Images) were done in another 3D aps and not in poser. I have a few V3 characters that been through that. Made in poser, rendered for ads in another 3D aps

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Just a quick response to those of you that hate having to join a site to download free stuff... spare a thought for the free stuff provider, I was once in the top 50 free stuff providers, but I changed servers and as a result ALL my contributions showed up as new addittions to Free Stuff - as a result the hoardes downloaded like crazy and used 10 gig of bandwidth in 3 days. That blasted my monthly bandwidth through the roof and believe me not all of us make enough from the Market Place to cover excessive bandwidth like that. At least with a "membership required" a lot of folk think twice before rushing in and downloading everything you make available.

Oh.. 7.) Merchants advertise here of their "To be out soon", is sold else where like at DAZ.

I agree with msny of these. Not with the registering argument, since I mean, you are still getting the product for "free." Nothing in this world is actually free, so asking for your info is pretty reasonable I think ;-) I love the FireFly renderer myself. Sorry all. Read my postings on sqeezing more out of it. It's a great engine when you get the hang of its quirks :) The only peeve I can add to the above would be: Why do we have to purchase separate figures if we want them to actually have human form? P6 James is the only standard Poser figure that passes for human. P6 Jessi is probably the worst figure of all. They can't even make the excuse that they don't have the talent since the figures Content Paradise is churning out now are fantastic. Oh well...that's my 2 pennies...

001.) Lights ... 995.) Lights 996.) no multiple undo 997.) textures for figures with baked-in shadows and highlights 998.) the billion or so V1/2/3-based characters who all have that exact same ugly siamese cat face. This includes: a) having to see them in galleries b) people posting about their latest "character" c) seeing them anywhere else not covered by a or b I understand that most cannot tell the difference between Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Vietnamese women, but c'mon, 99% of them don't look like retarded cats. I may have gripes with Miki's joint setup, but she is definitely several steps in the right direction as far as appearance. If she were properly jointed, I would pay around $100 and still feel that I got a great deal. which brings me to... 999.) NEW figures that are jointed like Poser 3 figures. WTF?

I will add one... People who critic free stuff. If someone is generous enough to give me a model, a pose set, or anything I like to have to use in Poser, I appreciate the gift. If there is something wrong with the freebie (no folder tree, no png, thumbs.db, *.jbf, .DS Store, *.rar, *.lwz, *.ace, whatever), either I fix it myself or I throw away the package if I can't fix it. But to critic freestuff providers in a forum or even worst, email freestuff providers to complain about their freebies or the way they offer their freebies (sign in and such), well that, in my book, is downright RUDE.

Attached Link: http://www.weirdass.net

I think it's Rude to give away a freebie just to get people to sign up at their website....and people do that.

There is a MAC Mat poser maker :) Classic only though and it has issues with P5 and P6 CR2's that want to put the dang camera in there for some reason (Character, not a scene Poser people but they think MAT poses are a bad hack so that is part of the problem.)

I'll tell you why we require registration for FREE files! It's because we're paying for the bandwidth and if we don't force registration, Web Trolling programs will suck up our bandwidth and give us nothing in return.

I for one think it wouldn't hurt you to stop and actually post a thank you on sites like mine that host freebies.

We're doing this for fun just like you but we're the ones paying for the bandwidth. Wouldn't hurt downloaders a tick to not only register on these sites but to actually stop in their forums and say thanks at least for the effort. Geez! It's a fact of webhosting that we get bots and web trolling hackers who have nothing better to do with their time than destroy our Poser Websites. It doesn't hurt you a bit to register a username. 1 minute of your valuable time in exchange for the hours of work we put into our websites and freebies? Come on!

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Yea Mizrael ! You have said it as I would have liked too.... I'd also like to add my voice to the peeve about people who complain about free stuff - in the past I have had people email me and complain that this or that isn't right in a free download when all it would have taken for the person to fix was to add a box prop.... Geez what do people want for nothing....

Identity theft comes to mind. "Password + UserName + Location + Email addy + Full Name + etc, etc.". Not that we do not like to register. Its the fear, well..what goes through me. If it a problem "must register to access freebie", well..maybe not register, or not even a website at all and not get the freebie at all. It is better to say (Speak your mind), than say nothing at all and let the problem persist.

To prevent "bots" from trolling your site.... simply insert a blank robots.txt file in the root directory.

Acadia, where is your website? Just how you think a blank text file is going to stop automated scripts from scanning your website is beyond me and I've been hosting for quite some time. A few years in fact. robots.txt is only as good as the people who rely on it. Legitimate search engines do, but hackers don't give a damn about what you want them to see and not see and they don't search your site based on any text files in your root directory. This fear of password or identity theft is a real thing I won't deny, but it's a catch 22 situation. You can always create new passwords for untrusted sites that you don't use elsewhere. I myself maintain the same user name on all my Poser related sites and only change my password from site to site. As for a host's ability to even see your password. Most legitimate forum softwares doesn't even allow the hosts to see your passwords let alone steal them. PHP doesn't allow it that much I'm sure of. I'm not saying someone more skilled in Database structures couldn't dig out the information, I'm just saying it's not readily available to me as a forum host as a feature of PHPBB2.

When you host a site using one of the many reputable packages - like PHPBB2 - the passwords are stored using irreversible encryption. In other words, there is just no way to extract a password from its encrypted form. Login attempts are handled as follows: the supplied password is encrypted using the same algorithm and the encrypted password then is compared with the stored encrypted password. There is a problem though. It's pretty easy to intercept the passwords, just alter the PHP script a little and the site administrator can have every password in clear text. It is just not true that PHP (or any other language) does not allow the reading of passwords. As a user you just have to trust the forum hoster not to do nasty things. The only thing that helps (a little) is SSL: NEVER EVER ENTER A PASSWORD ON A NON-SSL PAGE!!!. SSL does two things. First, it ensures that your information (not only the password, everything on the page) is encrypted when sent over the Net. Second, since a Web server can only provide SSL if it has a server certificate, you can view the certificate to verify the identity of the Web site. Sort of an Internet passport. So if such a site is set up for identity theft, you know who to go after.

ok. question. why would the host/admin of the site need a users password? they can do anything on their site anyway.... c'mon..thats just plain paranoid! (anyone answering that they use the same password on everysite deserve to be hacked. basic security as recommended by experts says 'don't do that.')

When I said PHP doesn't allow it I mispoke. I meant PHPBB2 "Specifically" doesn't allow it. Thanks for pointing that one out SVDL. As Khai said, though it sounds harsh and critical, it's true. If you don't protect yourself with multiple passwords for multiple sites, you're the one opening yourself up for identity theft. You can mistrust freebie hosts all you want but it's not their job to protect you from identity theft. It's yours. My point still remains valid. Requiring registration helps not just the freebie hosts, it helps the community at large. If we all did away with registration for freebie sites, the bandwidth theft alone would kill any halfway decently sized freebie site. Less freebie site means fewer freebies for you and I. And what's wrong with someone putting a forum on their freebie site where people can actually talk about the freebies they're enjoying?

I think it's Rude to give away a freebie just to get people to sign up at their website....and people do that.<< I do not agree. It would be rude if that person would FORCE you to come and get it. Whether we have to signup or not to a website to get a freebie, ultimately, it is OUR decision to go get it. It all depends on how much we want this freebie and how much we don't want to signup at a website.;o) >>(anyone answering that they use the same password on everysite deserve to be hacked. basic security as recommended by experts says 'don't do that.')<< This kind of thing is so easy to say when we don't know the reasons someone else has to do such things. ;o(

"This kind of thing is so easy to say when we don't know the reasons someone else has to do such things." there are no good reasons. if you can't remember a password, find a way to do it. don't moan at an admin about keeping your details secure then go and leave the door wideopen. you know the rules for sites that accept CC transactions are changing? they require a password to be changed every 7 days, be no less than 8 chars long, contain at least 2 numbers and cannot be similar to the last password choosen. what fun those rules will be round here....

Most sites should have a terms of use if they require nmembership - read those to see if your fears are justified. 1. Collection of data Registration of a user account on this site requires only a valid e-mail address and a user name that has not been used already. You are not required to provide any other information if do not want to. Please be aware that the user name you choose, the e-mail address you provide and other information you provide may render you personally identifiable, and may possibly be displayed on this web site intentionally (depending on choices you make during the registration process, or on the way in which the site is configured) or unintentionally (such as, but not limited to, subsequent to a successful act of intrusion by a third party). As on many web sites, the site editor may also automatically receive general information that is contained in server log files, such as your IP address, and cookie information. Information about how advertising may be served on this site (if it is the site editor's policy to display advertising) is set forth below.

there are no good reasons. if you can't remember a password, find a way to do it. don't moan at an admin about keeping your details secure then go and leave the door wideopen.<< I bow to your great knowledge. You are completely right of course and if you say there is no good reason to do something, then there isn't.

of course I'm right! you will all bow to me! the wonderful me! joking aside. I've worked as a sysadmin and in banks and other places that deal with money. alot of money. (I will never go back to cold calling for a credit card again!) and basic password security is drummed into you from the get go. anyway. back to massaging my Ego. you were saying Francemi?

Well before we get antagonistic and or personal about this just remember it's your security. You are responsible for it. A Webhost can only do so much to safeguard your information. A Webhost that is doing it for free in order to give you something for FREE is already going one step beyond in my opinion.

If it's such a hassle for you to enter new and different passwords, maybe you should reconcider whether or not you will even use their freebies in the first place. It's certainly no skin off my nose if people don't unneccesarily eat up my bandwidth downloading what I have to offer and then not even using them. In fact, I'd reccommend that you don't. Now to get back on topic. MY PetPeeves are people who host on sites with half a dozen popups! You wanna talk about rude and annoying! One Popup per site should be a standard MAXIMUM for those sites relying on their popups for the advertising dollars. (Something I do not and most lkely never will do at my own site.)

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hey! no fair! Mizrael, you did not Bow to the Wonderful Me! report to the duty toturer. 14 hours of Tellitubbies. with no toilet break. now.. about my Ego...

Yes, Khai, but I prefer bowing before you in private and on my knees, but that's not a subject for this forum. ;P

I was not being antago... something ;o) I was not even arguing the necessity to change password and such. I believe that. What I said in the first place about this is that it is always easy to say things like that "you deserve... if you don't... or if you do..." without knowing the reason behind such action or lack of. It did not apply strictly to the password and security issue. Although it does apply to it in the sense that unfortunately, there are still many (too many) people on the web who can't read correctly, who have no instruction whatsoever and who do things like that very innocently. This is only one of the possible reasons for someone to not change their password regularly. Sorry if you thought I was starting a fight here. I wasn't.

PET PEEVE #1 Threads like this.....

It's always the innocent ones who assume they're being accused! LOL! I was just trying to head anything seriously mean being said off at the pass Francemi. Khai's the one who should be appologising for saying such a mean thing to begin with. Nobody actually deserves being hacked. Not even for stupidity, ignorance, lack of knowledge or even plain laziness.

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