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I am MORE than happy with both e-on Customer Service and how well the "old" Extra Vegetation works with the new Plant Editor in Vue 5 Infinite!!! What you see here is my quick creation of an orange tree....You see I GREW UP IN AN ORANGE ORCHARD.... LOL!!.. To be more precise, in a house in the middle of an orange orchard and I know what orange trees (In southern California) look like...and they did NOT look like the original extra veg bundle orange trees I bought so long ago for my vue 3, and used in my vue 4....
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with fat trunks... Orange trees have more slender trunks... the wood color was more correct in the older one, and I am sure I can darken down the current trunk material very easily in my vue material editor...but for now I was making sure the serial numbers that Shawn kindly sent me worked, (because I had lost my vue 4 #'s) and second to try out the plant editor with these older vegs! :)

Now THIS looks much more like the shape of the tree trunk/limbs.. AND THRILL the tree leaves are no longer "umbrella" shaped!! The leaves are perfect in color and shape too!! I am very happy!! I can't wait to go spend my voucher at Cornucopia and then as soon as my "allowance credit card" payment clears, I can get my wish list full of more plants (and buildings! wow are they nice too!!) and some materials...

Other than needing to adjust the native grass vue material scale my 8 update is working great and I will happily try it out with installing my new store items soon too!

THANKS E-ON!!

Lyne

Message edited on: 11/29/2005 23:10

you must be kidding. I have a 50 voucher and can't find one thing to spend it on. I also think the development of Cornucopia is slow and their products aren't any good. What happed to the pine trees? I can make a long list of the things thay are wrong with e-on and their products.

Anyhow it is amusing that two people can have such opposite views of a company.

I just have to add this:

Have you read the latest in the e-on vue infinite forum about vue blowing chunks?

Or have you been at cornucopia and looked at the bonny clump which is being advertised as new when it is older than dirt?

And to top it all off some of the bonny clump leaves are upside down in the advertisement picture for the bonny clump. They still haven't fixed this!

Who would buy both versions of bonny clumps color and white bonny clumps and pay $20 when any person in their right mind would have made this one set for $10. Way to go e-on. You really have your customer in mind.

Where is the free content at cornucopia? It has been half of a year and there still is no free content. This company has no quality control! JMHO

Still using Vue purplecloud ? With what you have to say about Vue and e-on every single time you post on this forum I though you would have given up on using Vue by now... But like you said... JMHO.

"Have you read the latest in the e-on vue infinite forum about vue blowing chunks?" Yes I did and I replied...as I said there, anybody who just shouts without any meaninful comments (positive or negative) really can't be trusted to use any software with a logical thought process, so how can their complaints be taken seriously? A childish attitude IMHO. Yes, Vue has problems, yes, things could be better...and yes, I have been annoyed, but I can get work done without too many issues and if I have any issues then I will try to let e-on know with, either a bug report or constructive critism. Cheers

I agree with agiel's quote "But Like you said...JMHO
It is my MHO also for what little it does.

Constructive critism is great when it works. I only wish e-on knew how it works. Thats my complaint. It does it its way and customers complaints either harsh or constructive doesn't seem to be paid any mind. JMHO.

What gets me is the people who will communacate in pm's, emails but don't ever speak their mind where e-on will see what is going on. e-on needs this feedback if people are unhappy. They need not be afraid to speak out. An old saying..."Where there is smoke there is fire..:) I think most people who complain do like Vue and want to see it free of bugs and work as it did in the past with Vue Pro and 4.2. Those days we did not have all the crap of fighting becasue of e-on wanting to lock and control every thing we do with Vue once we buy it.:( People who pay for a product I think have a right to voice their opinion. I know some don't like how its done but go to an auto dealership and hang around the service managers desk for a few hours and you will see the same. :)

Message edited on: 11/30/2005 08:37

iloco - To your point - I agree that e-on should be made aware about what is not working and how people are satisfied, or not. What I don't understand is the constant stream of negative comments on a forum where we cannot do anything about them. I don't mind with criticisms when we can offer workarounds or discuss about how to deal with them. I don't see what we, as a forum/community can do about purpleclouds comments. e-on has a user forum (cornucopia) and a support forum. These comments would be the most efficient over there.

Those comments were posted over at e-ons forum.
Don't underestand.

I am glad someone agrees that e-on should listen to its customer base and not a select few.

I think most people think the more coverage they can get by posting on other forums spreads the word so people who don't know what is going on takes notice.
How many people belong to my forum that post here. Not Many because of it being a family forum where nudity isn't allowed and they don't visit RO but do have Vue.
Yes we have small children who can feel at ease on my forum that is reason for guidelines not allowing nudity.

Anyone is welcome if they can follow those guidelines and be part of it and we do allow for people to complain with what they think are problems with software.

Thats how I see people who post on all the forums to make sure a wide base see it.
Example is Lynes happiness that she got her plants to work.
How many forums was that posted on. A few I know of. :) Waht i would like to see is more feedback from Mr Phelps who is the owener of e-on or at lest some his people who are working for him in the development dept. I think that would cut down on a lot of critism if we had more direct contact with e-on and not people who are trying to represent e-on by only owning a copy of its software. JMHO

Message edited on: 11/30/2005 11:06

How did you manage to get them to work? I have almost all the old vegetation, have never been able to get them to work...have never been able to get the converter to work...and want to use them. I've also never even been able to get e-on to even acknowledge any of the several emails I've sent them about this. For all the money I've spent with them, you'd think I could at least get a canned email saying 'we got your message'.

Agiel, I still use vue but lately since the advent of Cornucopia I find even more problems.

What I don't understand is your view but I am willing to take the time to try to understand.

Lynn wrote she was happy with vue and a tree and I thought how ironic when the pine trees and the new bonny clump either have been removed from Cornucopia or don't look good.

So I wrote my view here because I thought my view and other views and Lynn's view should be compared especially since they were about vue plants.

Now in forums it is custom for members to share their views to see if those views hold water. If others join and agree maybe the particular view will develop into some other type of action like a change in the software or in a company's policy.

So wouldn't it be possible that what you deem as just negative comments could turn out to a positive end? Wouldn't that be reason enough for people to post their complaints?

Another way to look at it is why should this forum only be used for people to post why they are happy with vue but not happy with vue when both opinions in your outlook the forum can do nothing about.

I am just trying to understand your logic.

Do you find any of these points valid or am I off base?

For gosh sakes! I had no idea the few very unhappy would use my post for a RANT... sheesh! Life is unhappy enough without taking my happy post and stomping on it...thanks a lot! I won't post here anymore but to ask simple questions.

If you read my post you would see that I USED THE COURTESY COPIES of the "old" vegitation, with the serial numbers that e-on sent to me... VIA THE E-ON WEB SITE TECH CONTACT FIELDS... you can't send an e mail, like DAZ, I might add... you fill out a contact form on line... and every time I do that, I always get a response... I am not special...just a vue customer who has bought and registered each of my vue versions...

I am assuming that the "old" veg's worked because I did use the courtesy ones that came on my infinite application CD- with my new vue 5 serial numbers for them (numbers end in a 5) and it all worked flawlessly...

As far as "vue blowing chunks" I have no idea what you are talking about. One thing I have done with ALL software- is that if it is working either without an update or with one particular update, I stick with that one... and I WATCH when new one comes out, talk to folks and ONLY when I feel it is "safe" do I install any given update...and then I try it out... I am betting that e-on is trying so hard to fix things, yes, they might put out too many updates... and if folks install them all, they will have problems...

I have been using vue since 3...it is my favorite landscape program, and as you can see with the orange tree, things ARE working fine! I updated vue 5i only with the .7...then just recently, with .8 for the store...

And if anyone cared to THINK...the plants offered there are many of the same from the extra vegitation ....FOR THOSE WHO DID NOT PAY THE $99 WAY BACK WHEN for the bundle... and it is my OPINION that perhaps it is an updated version on the vue 5i application cd... so use those... and if you contact e-on properly, and provide proof that you did own the originals, then I am sure, like me, they will issue you some vue 5 serial numbers....

The leaves are upside down? Well been using flowers and doing closeups for years and never saw upside down leaves... will check my new intalled plants. As for increased costs, it is probably for all the updating of those plants to work in infinite...I can only guess..since mine are fine, and my OLD plants were rejected by 5..

The other thing I KNOW is that the folks running the store are working overtime and doing their best...and as anyone knows ANY new store has GLITCHES for a long time as the kinks are worked out. I have seen such rants about DAZ and even right at RDNA as those super folks went through a massive overhaul...

Don't get me wrong, I have had my dissagreements with e-on, and with any of the vue versions... but so do I with any other store and software...it's the nature of our hobby level world...and soooo many different things can affect how a program works! The hardware in use...the software versions, and the personality behind it all...I try to remain calm...if sometimes frustrated and just deal...

Right now my $50 voucher will not work at the store...but I trust it will work itself out... and as for things to buy...I guess it depends on your needs/wants/tastes...but some of the NEW trees, bushes, buildings, (especially lighthouses for me) are just OUTSTANDING... it was easy for me to choose my $50 worth and then put another $40 in my wish list...and it will work when it works. I want to use up my voucher first, test the new way things install and work/look and then go from there...

There is more to life than vue, but we do love our vue and poser, etc.... maybe take a walk outdoors and look at real nature....and relax? I learned LONG ago, that the "squeeky wheel" (as we say in the USA) gets the oil... so I squeek along until my problem gets oiled! Then, as I did with the orange tree I GET HAPPY and smile! :)

Message edited on: 11/30/2005 15:30

The biggest problem is having the same group or clique from Renderosity run the Cornucopia site. It looks to me that if you are not in that little clique or at least friends with them then you are not cool and will not get treated in a courteous manner. Never really liked that group here at Renderosity and as long as they are running things at Cornucopia I will never join that site. No big loss to me really as I dont see anything good coming out of there anyway. Now I have come out of the closet on this and I am sure that group will start right in on me as they do anyone else that has the guts to speak out about how they do things. I think both places, Renderosity and Cornucopia would be a lot better off if that group would just go on vacation permanently. Just look at this forum as an example. Almost every thread has the leaders of that clique responding in one way or another. Oh sure he or she wants to be helpful. But for cripes sakes people give it a rest and let some other members have a go at it. Thx Vance
PS as normal if this post gets flames I will just delete it. ;)

My last opinion...that the "clique" are not just that..they are the folks willing to WORK for and try to help with vue, because they love vue....and that is why they always respond.. but then I have not read this forum every day...just come here when I need help... well everyone has an opinion and that's okay... but kudoos to the folks with the time and the energy to try and WORK for all of us users...

I agree with Lyne's & Vance's recent post save for one point in Lyne's. The few and very unhappy are far more than you realize. Plus this statement is overboard (IMO) it sounds if these unhappy people are just unhappy and don't have valid complaints which to me is unfair and hitting below the belt.

I feel it is much more fair when arguing to talk about the points being discussed and not about the people who make the points. To me this is a cheap shot. If I took your statement wrong than I take back these words.

Otherwise I feel Lyne and Vance are on the mark. JMHO :) Lyne I am happy you are happy but curious if you see or want to see the whole vue picture.

Purplecloud, you said, "it sounds if these unhappy people are just unhappy and don't have valid complaints"...do you feel the "blowing chunks" post at e-on was started by showing any "valid complaints"? In my eyes it was just an imature rant without any valid comment in it? Now, if a person rant's AND also backs it up with valid examples to show their unhappiness, then all very well and good...christ! if they are that unhappy, why don't they take direct action to sort it out...there is such thing as consumer law. It is all down to point's of view; If you are a hobbiest and the software dissapoints you, why on Earth didn't you download the demo and use it for 60 days before spending all that cash. If using it in a pro enviroment, then the same thing applies. I'm lucky and have used Vue for over 5 years, so i know what to expect. My pro use of it is limited to not that many jobs, but for me it's stable...but, I can certainly imagine a Pro user, depending on it day in, day out, pulling their hair out, but then again I have been in the business long enough to know not many pro users would be foolish enough to purchase a software that would do that to them, with doing thorough research. I do smile to myself when I read some of the marketing litrature of software companies, but then again I also know most marketing litrature (hype) should be taken with a grain of salt, unless you can back it up with hands on use. As Lyne says, there is more to life and hey, it is a free market and if you feel e-on haven't delivered what they promised you, then they wont get your money again. There are no "clique" group IMHO. Yes, people willing to work hard and help as Lyne said...and besides, E-on need to make the majority happy and not just a few if they are to survive in this competitive business. Cheers

At the risk of stirring things up even more, I will say that I am glad Lyne is happy. I don't own all those plants but I have bought some from Cornucopia and the ones I have seem fine. Sure, Cornucopia is not perfect and had more than its share of teething troubles. So have some of the products - I hd to laugh at the ships with the wooden planks in the hull running vertically rather than horizontally! But the people running it seem to me to be doing their best to make it work, and are very courteous and helpful to their customers (sometimes in the face of considerable provocation). Yes, Vue has its problems too - and I was cursing it often enough at the weekend when it kept failing to save a scene of mine - but hey, for me it's a hobby. My livelihood doesn't depend on it. I don't know what 'clique' is being referred to, although I'm not part of it. All I know is that there are some very knowledgeable people here who are generally extremely helpful. Long may that continue (and Lyne, keep posting happy messages!). Steve

Lynne, I have every copy of Vue ever released, including 2 versions of 5. I PURCHASED all the extra vegetations. As far as I'm concerned, the online form is the same as an email. I've sent 6 about this issue and have yet to be acknowledged. I would think that having better than $2500 invested (and I'm sure it's more than that, but I can't remember some of the original prices) in e-on products would entitle me to at least know that someone was reading my concern. In fact, any contact except for sales between me and e-on disappeared when I refused to transfer to the Yahoo groups when the forum went there.

I'm glad that some are happy!

Disclaimer: *I do not in any way represent Eovia, the company, and have no investment in Eovia stock! I am not even an Eovia beta tester. I purchase all my software, and in good faith purchased Vue 5 Infinite as one of e-ons early V5I customers. I purchased Vue 4, a couple of months before buying V5I, and still consider it to be an excellent product for the money. Im software agnostic, and only care about QUALITY!

I own 4 major 3D software packages, and Vue5I has given me more grief than the other software combined! Hence, Im writing this, ONLY due to my honest concerns!*

C5Pro has two distribution systems. The surface distribution system is far more precise than Vues (a recent formal review of C5Pro rated Carraras distribution system as superior to V5Is ecosystems).
I can distribute any object at any location based on elevation, slope, texture, etc (to a fraction of a foot!). The object distributions are not bound to a particular texture and you can place as many distribution groups as you wish -- limited only by system resources (10K objects per group). If you want, you can convert a distributed group to "real instances of the objects," for manipulation (does eat-up a lot of resource!).
Want rocks, just add a noise level layer anywhere on the terrain, set amplitude, height, etc, then add a texture layer on the noise layer for the rock coloring add, add, mix, mix to your hearts desire!
The terrain editor has an expandable window, and you add hill filters, mountain, mesa, noise, valley too much to mention. Save height info, export as grayscale/height maps, and import layers of grayscale maps. Hit the Shuffle button, and you get an infinite variety of terrains, based on your filter stack! You can also do the paint terrain tools (but this does collapse the terrain filter stacks).
C5Pro has true displacement mapping; place a texture map (or procedural shader) on an object, use the displacement map option, and you have a true 3D mesh object, not a bump map. Want waves, add the wave/ripple texture to a plane, displace it and you got real 3D waves can animate.
Volumetric clouds (along with other clouds) are excellent, and have a full featured editor.
Particle system -- able to spew out metaballs (merge [controlled] to form flowing water, rain animate reacts to the physics engine collision, gravity, etc). You can make any object a particle -- like birds bees, snowflakes).
2 forms of Poser import, (1) native import that doesnt require a copy of Poser on your PC, and (2) Transposer2 does a fantastic job on importing dynamic hair much better than Vues rope hair!

Carrara has quite a few trees, and a real plant editor, but to use the advanced editor features, you better plan to spend the time! Carraras plants have individual leaves, and spiral wound pine needles, but use procedural textures (you can use texture maps for leaves). What Carrara lacks is the ability to create truly unique individuals of a species. It does do random rotation on all axis and scale when distributing, and I suspect a plug-in will be able to modify the species seed for individual structure modifications in the near future. I discussed this with a programmer who does several popular Carrara plug-ins, and he is going to look into that possibility. I created several test runs by adding hand modified variations, color, etc, to a distributor (just drop them in) and the results were quite acceptable.

Understand that Carrara also has very good full-featured modeling tools no comparison in that department!

Carraras rendering engine is absolutely beyond Vues in quality/speed, and has options to virtually eliminate texture crawl in animations.

I could go on...

I agree with you that Carrera has it's place and the guys at Eovia have done a great job with it, but just a couple of things: "The object distributions are not bound to a particular texture and you can place as many distribution groups as you wish..." Neither are they in Vue Infinite. "Understand that Carrara also has very good full-featured modeling tools no comparison in that department!" Carrera's modelling toolset is far from full-featured, some very basic tools are lacking, maybe because Eovia would want you to spend extra cash on Hexagon. As for Vue, it doesn't even pretend to be a "full featured" modeller and E-on have not advertised it as such and that comparison is not really fair. As I say, I'm not dissagreeing with you, but I just wanted to show the other side of the coin. Carrera is a nice app, even if it isn't my cup of tea... Cheers

Dig beneath V5Is surface, and you will find a lot of procedural dirt. I paid $600 to find that out -- with a manual that started falling apart after two weeks of non-abusive use (that is a first for me in my ~25 years of computer use!).

Its all about semantics? Vue5I distributes ecosystem objects by using "textures (or shaders)." You paint them into a landscape. You cannot simply drop a distribution (ecosystem) widget anywhere in your scene and apply it to any object in your scene. BTW, Carraras distribution will wind around a sphere or cube without duplicating and rotating the cube or sphere as you must in V5I. I can layer a shoreline, and put a foam layer as from receding water easy to do (not a distribution function)!

Create a scene with V5I; create a nice procedural terrain, populate it with a mixture of XFrog and e-on objects -- using ecosystem. Now, this will likely produce a moderately large file.

So, you want nice soft shadows, since this is how optical physics works throughout the universe. You use shadow-maps, because they significantly reduce render time, and you don't need highly accurate shadows cast by a bunch of plants, etc. But to get more than a useless blob shadow, you need to ramp up the shadow-maps memory bucket. Now you run out of memory, because you want a file output that exceeds 1280x1024 pix! Well, there is always raytraced soft shadows, so you play with them on a simple scene to see what the optimal settings would be (to eliminate the grainy default rendering -- ambient light is NOT high). You now apply these reasonable (a lot left on the sliders) settings to you scene, and a 1024x700 render takes 139 hours on a 3.4 GHz PC w/3 Gbyte of RAM! And that is after you stop, and restart with soft shadows off at 80% completion! But there is Rendercows, right wrong! Renderbovine doesnt render to disk, and your file is too big to render to screen Rendercow is very sensitive to large files and fails often! A similar rendering in C5Pro, with very accurate raytraced soft shadows was about 20 TIMES FASTER!

This nonsense is typical of this program, and I could write a book on e-ons V5I 3D workaround software -- that is, software which has a rich feature list for marketing purposes, but little practical access to many of those features, thus the real challenge is to find (if possible) a workaround!

My description of Carrara's modeling tools is specific to version 5 Pro, its modeling toolkit is quite complete compared to anything in its target market. A recent reviewer claimed it was nudging up to Maya in some regards. But my point was to Vue5I C5Pro has most (and more in many respects) of V5I's landscape capabilities (simple -- did you know that you can set the sun position to any time at any place in the world?). However, it has modeling tools and effects (particle, explosion, blur, dissolve, atomize...etc) that most V5I users lust after. Not to even mention a decent physics engine.

Go figure! All I care about is features with QUALITY. As I stated earlier, I'm software agnostic -- I have no religious affiliation with computer software!

As I made an honest financial commitment to V5I (as well as Vue 4), I feel I have a right to conduct a cross forum comparison. Of course Im sure many zealots would prefer a software pirate who would uncritically praise e-on, over an articulate critic who actually purchased this software?

"My description of Carrara's modeling tools is specific to version 5 Pro, its modeling toolkit is quite complete compared to anything in its target market." Does that include XSI Foundation with MentalRay included? I'm sorry but I work with Maya every day (shader programming and/or modelling/texturing) and Carrera does not come close...but then I don't expect it to, for the price difference. Jeeez, there is no symmetry function in Carrera amongst other missing tools...you ask any modeller and they will tell you it is an essential tool to have within any modelling toolset. As I say, Eovia are not going to add anything to Carrera that will take away from Hexagon. The book; had it happen many times myself...the last time for me was with C4D XL 8. Whats a software company to do? Beta test a book for 12 months! Now Ecosystems; you are correct but I was answering your previous quote and will stand by that. Ecosystems are not restricted to materials. Yes maybe functions maps are needed in some cases, but don't ignore their benefits either. If you look deeply in the forums you will see I have shown my unhappiness at some of the Vue/E-on issues, but I'm not going to be negative just for the sake of it. I think there is plenty to praise as well...wether people like it or not, Ecosystems were innovating and whats to say Eovia haven't taken the last few months to see E-ons innovation and improve on it? Nobody knows, but it isn't rare to happen in the industry. Well I made an honest financial commitment to V5I, Vue4 and Vue3...but I'm under no illusions, if something better comes out then I will use it. Yes Vue does need to improve, and how E-on handles the next 18 months could make or break them, but at the moment it is still the best landscape app in its field. Cheers

Don't forget Terregen 2 comes out next year...it has eco's/clouds & water as well. So really eco's at this point are old news.

I have demonstrated my frustration at Eovia, for one, not making its volumetric light cones raytraced effects. I did a render with trueSpace 6.6 to demonstrate that in the Carrara Forum -- a nice particle infested beam through a tinted glass window. I also sent Eovia my opinion on that one -- I certainly see room for improvement. But I have to look at the cost/benefit ratio, and in that respect C5Pro is a winner.

Symmetrical modeling has its greatest value in mechanical modeling (I think you can buy a plug-in to do this in Carrara?). Symmetry in organic evolution does not exist. Organisms tend towards symmetry, but they are not truly symmetrical (in fact, this is one reason why some seemingly photo-quality virtual humans have this hard-to-define artificial quality that gives them away.) At any rate, trueSpace does have symmetrical modeling (called Mirror-Modeler), and I think TSs modeling ability is superior to many applications, including C5Pro. It isnt a huge feature gulf, but I still use TS for some specific modeling needs. As I mostly do artwork, C5Pro is looking excellent for that purpose. Artists who create models on a professional level will not likely consider C5Pro to be a tool of choice for high-end modeling.
From the IT Enquirer C5Pro Beta review: The material editor has changed in as much that you get a tree representation of your shaders by default now, which is much closer to the way Maya works. Its also much easier to understand, although it would still be better if Eovias engineers would take a good look at Mayas Hypershade editor and create a better one for Carrara. Nevertheless, the new material editor is a huge improvement over previous versions. Also, A very useful feature in Carrara 5, and one that I could test in Vue Professional 5 only, is the replicator and surface replicator. In Carrara 5, replicators serve to quickly create identical or non-identical copies of an object. This is done in a much more intuitive way than in Vue. In fact, the only thing that remains the same is the stress the rendering of a lot of copies puts on your processor.
The surface replicator is ideal to populate a landscape with trees and plants, and in my opinion it beats the Vue 5 intelligent algorithm by a margin. A new particle generator can now use metaballs and create fluid and volumetric effects. The editor is easier than the previous one, but it still is difficult to guess how a particle system will look once rendered. Particles will interact with objects and forces in a scene so it should look a lot better. I wasnt capable of seeing for myself as it took too long to render on my G5 DP1.8 GHz. Perhaps the time it took was due to beta debug code still present in the program. On the other hand, a scene with lots of objects and a particle emitter in it, will always take a lot of rendering time.

No one could compare C5Pro on a one-on-one with Maya; however, as a reviewer stated, (not a quote) Maya is appropriate for the movies, C5Pro is appropriate for television.

I never felt that C3Pro or C4Pro were so hot, but Eovia really did roll-up their sleeves and did good things with C5Pro hence my enthusiasm.

Debby makes a good point, Don't forget Terregen 2 comes out next year...it has eco's/clouds & water as well. So really eco's at this point are old news.

Its just how you implement them.

Jeez, has this suddenly become the Carrara forum? Do you people have a problem with a user being happy with his software up to the point that you feel the need to hijack his thread? I personnaly don't think much of Carrara, and I'd never trade my copy of Vue for it. Carrara is an "average" product that does a lot of "average" stuff. It's got an extensive list of features that would probably lure a hobbyist, but the truth is, it's sitting in the middle of a big nowhere. Comparing it to Maya has to be the best joke I've ever read! Seriously, Louis, I have to question the reasons for such propaganda. You're not happy with Vue? Fair enough. Sell your copy and move on! I'm not saying the product's perfect. But for me it does its thing very well, and you just need to take a look at the gallery here at RO to see that I'm not alone. Live with it!

I have let this argument go on long enough. If you want to compare software versions, download the demo and try it out to make your own opinion. I own both Vue Infinite and Carrara 5 Pro. Fow all Carrara's new bells and whistles, I still return to Vue most of the time because it is what I am comfortable with. Yet, I am keeping Cararra for some of the features that Vue doesn't have (particles, modeling, etc). No need to turn the forum into an advertisemnt for Eovia. Thread closed.