This is to any moderator/admin who can help. I'm rather bemused by my visits to the galleries just lately. If I leave a comment or even just view an image, I click on back to thumbnails in the top left hand side and it takes me to the same image I was trying to leave, very similar to "Reloading Current Page". Is this a known glitch, bad glitch or wicked glitch of the west? he he. It's not too bothersome, just a little annoying especially if I don't have a lot of time and would like to quickly browse before I go off to work or out or somewhere. Any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for the post. We've made a change to how this works. Please let me know what you think. TC

Well it's certainly changed...lol. Now it takes me out to the thumbnails then straight back to the image I was viewing. It's highly amusing me though, but I'd be interested in what is causing this phenomenon... For example, I just viewed the normal galleries, clicked on a pic and had a look. Then I clicked on back to thumbnails and it went back to the gallery thumbnails before sending me straight back to the image I'd just viewed and I hadn't even clicked anything except the back to the thumbnails link at the top of the page. Just weird!!

Still experimenting with this. Have set it to pop a new window now with a 'Close Window' link at the top. Our goal is to provide a usable interface while not putting to much query load onto the database server. Let me know what you think of this way. Tim

HATE it! How am I supposed to get back to the gallery thumbnails now? If you want to do it that way you need the image to open in a new window when I clcik the thumbnail, not get me totally lost unless I push back 2 or three times.

Reload a thumbs page & try it again. TC

Whoo hoo, perfecto Anita

I have to say tim that for me (can't speak for anyone else) it's much faster and once I get used to it a bit more, I think personally it's better than before so thank you for all your help. I just have to remember to scroll back up and click "Close Window" to get back to the thumbs as each image now opens in a separate window. It saves time so I'm happier,thank you again, from me. Helen. :o)

Hi Tim, I like the "launch new browser", (So long as it doesn't tax the system more). Would it be too much trouble to add a "close on click" to the gallery image? Tom

Good idea - done. Tim

Works great. Fast too. Thanks Tom

Very nice, I like that close on click addition as well. Thanks Anita

This definitely won't work. As a person that looks at all the images in all the galleries and having a window pop-up every time I click on an image will definitely become irritating with time. The way it was before, with the Previous/Next and back to gallery links, was perfectly find. Time to take into consideration that old saying, "if it ain't broke, don't touch it", but I guess that's too late now.

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Ever get those "SQL Errors? Well...I'd wager that this is why they are trying to find a more efficient way for the galleries to work. Just because it doesn't seem broke to you,it does the those programming the site who are trying to troubleshoot the errors. Tom

Rather than complain...how about offering up a solution...oh I don't know...something like" Hey Tim,...can you add the Previous/Next buttons to the new window? Sheesh. Tom

I personally pick and choose through the gallery, so I do not need it. But that might be a good idea for those who like to view them all.

I love it!! Much faster viewing. Thank you!!

no complaints on the way it's done (other than the way Firefox handles it if you have 'Open in New Tab' set rather than open a new window.. and thats only cos Firefox then pop's the new tab on the end rather than next to the exsiting Tab...) but I think some warning would have been nice.... I was wondering what the ()!@#!@!!!!! was going on...

I would be nice if there was a code to keep things in a tab browsing settings rather than to open a new window. Regards, E

if your're running Firefox you can set that up no problems.. in options set to open new windows in Tab. but, if like me, your're running Rendo as Tab 1, Sixus1 as Tab2, BBC News as Tab3, Google as Tab4.... the gallery pops up as Tab 5.. when the change was first made it was disconcerting to close the pic I was looking at and see Google instead of Rendo ;)

Thanks Khai, I'd forgotten how to do that in Firefox. No more spawning windows for me!

errr Tom as a programmer I would have suggested that, but since you already did, no sense in repeating. Tim, can you do what Tom suggested and take away the popup windows? :) Thank you!!

I didn't suggest taking away the pop up widows. I just suggested that you request that the new window include Previous/Next links. That way...the whole membership doesn't have to go back to the slow way, just to accommodate your navigation habits.. Yet..folks who navigate like you (Previous/Next ) are also accommodated. For example: You click on a thumbnail. It launches a new window. You then step through the remainder of the gallery by using the Previous/Next navigation links. Everyone is happy. I am surprised that,as a programmer, you started off with "This definitely won't work." Rather than a programmer to programmer suggestion of how to make it work. Tom

Hi Tom, I was actually saying it won't work for me personally, not for others. ;)

It would be nice if this new functionality could be enabled/disabled in My Profile.

why can't I see the thumbnails in the galleries now? I can see the image if I click on the title, but no thumbnails are showing up.... something new? Or a glich, or is it me??? Karen

Oh man, I was afraid things would come to this. I can't have the new window opening every time I view an image as my machines are in 24/7 heavey rendering mode and this eats system resources. There has GOT to be an option to turn this off in preferences because I HATE it! I'm not viewing any more images until this is fixed, I don't have the time or resources anymore.

I'm trying to open images in this new popup format and I have to say it just plain sucks, sorry for my abrubt attitude. It now takes me 150% longer to view anything, and as stated above, I just don't have time and system resources for this new format. One question posed; what is wrong with just hitting the Back button on the browser?!? That is so difficult? I've been doing that since day one here and has worked fine (minus the site speed issues). I don't even want to know what other new 'convenient' features that are coming our way because this just this simple change really blew it for me. I'm now turning off ebots as there's no way I can field 300 images per week in this format as my machine is tied up rendering, and I had absolutely no problem the way it was before. How about considering those who are constantly grinding their systems and like to browse the site in the meanwhile? This forbids me from doing so in a timely manner as it's just got to be changed or put as an option as I just can't have it.

Just noticed something when using Safari. If you leave a comment, the window doesn't close when clicking on the image. It does work in this manner if you don't leave a comment. Also, the close window link does not work either. You can close it manually by clicking the upper red dot. Anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening in Safari?

"I HATE it! I'm not viewing any more images until this is fixed" Someone mut be working on getting a Gold Card. lol just jokin with ya Shards Tom

I posted this originally in the Bryce forum and they suggested I post my problem here. Sorry to say but it doesn't work for me either way. I use IE and before the changes I could see the thumbnails in the galleries even with the sometimes slowness of opening new pages, but now all I get is a square that says 'AD'and 'Renderosity referrer' instead of the pictures and when I click the square to open the picture the picture opens but when I try to return I get the 'Ad' square again. When I click on the picture to close it a window pops up asking if I want to close it and when I say yes the whole website closes down. I have disabled popup blocking and cleared my cache and cookies with no improvement. Other than that change, I have made no other adjustments from last night,(Sunday), when everything worked fine. So far it's frustrating to surf this site now with the improvement; I hope I can get this new change you've done to work for me soon. I normally use IE 6.0 for everything but it also doesn't work in Firefox 1.07 either.

My computers have been constantly rendering in Vue since September for a retail background pack I was planning on putting in the MP (when the MP is fixed and I am done sometime in March). As hawkfyr mentioned I probably have my gold card now (LOL!), and I've been in the forums lately as they are quite a bit faster to communicate on this site, especially after this new change. I've been rather vocal here lately as I am seeing a lapse of direction and quite a bit of fumbling around; some changes good, but most really have me baffled. I'm looking at Task Manager right now. I have two instances of IE loaded and they are TWENTY FOUR MEGS per instance. And that's the the basic .exe, not including content! Every time I wish to view on image it costs be 24 megs in ram to do so now! Hello!??! This really poses a problem to those who are marathon rendering. Vue is really nice as it renders in the background quietly and allows me to work with no problems. But my scenes are intensive and I need all the memory I can salvage, and this has been going on for almost 5 months now. I feel now as though I must post an image (with comments turned off more than likely) and explain this silly problem to all my friends here as it prohibits me from checking out everyone's work. An option to not have the popup feature is the way to go as I don't like features hardwired at all. I also have a popup blocker, but somehow it allows it (albeit slowly) to come up, but with my 30 ebots a day pouring in there is just no way for me to support my friends here with this feature. I might be done rendering on two machines sometime in March, and it really puts me in a position to rethink what I'm doing and where I'll be doing it. I'm not completely against change, as long as it makes sense, but this completely stifles me from commenting on my friends' images who like to have me interact in their galleries. I haven't posted an image in almost 6 weeks now because of this project I am undertaking, now commenting isn't really an option as pulling up a new IE window for each image just isn't feasible with Vue needing all the RAM I have. Before IE would simply load a new image, text, and comments upon clicking the thumb. Now it loads a completely new instance PLUS all that, and let me say that IE gobbles ram like crazy...it's ain't notepad, folks. I'm hoping this is some sort of diagnostic or test measure, but even just tonight it's been more than irritating to have a new window for each image and it's already gotten quite old here. Perhaps when BondageWare 3.0 takes over the Galleries there will be a plethora of options in the User Preferences to allow choices per system and not global sweeping options that don't work at all for some. I was just starting to see a glimmer of hope in the new format of the MP (although it is still very ugly in appearance), now I come home and can't even comment as I'm working after work. Sigh Sorry to come across as crass or bitter about this (even though I am :P), but it's getting rather old to pull up the site these days after all the SQL problems, the bumpy MP conversion, and now options that simply won't adapt to my viewing experience here. Popups are evil in my opinion and I would only expect this from 3DC or a seedy pr0n site. My Back button in IE worked just fine; one click after a view, or double click after a vote or comment took me right back to the gallery in prior viewing position. I'll be over here rendering my heart out as I just don't have time for anymore silliness. If people really want me to comment on their images, please email it to me instead! LOL! At least it will download in 15 seconds via Eudora and my response will be sent out the first try in its' entirety.

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In case of normal link, user can always open into new window if they want (typically, right click and select "open in new window" or similar). But when the web designer forces opening in new window, user does not have the choice.

Further, closing the window is much more difficult than just clicking Back button or pressing Backspace key.

It would be much better just to have a normal link and allow back button to work. Just make sure the pages are cacheable so that user does not need to wait for page to reload. See Caching Tutorial (the attached url).

If you must have the popup window, at least remove the useles menus from the right and top of page. They take up valuable screen space, and also slow down loading and make the page more messy. Instead, add the "next" and "previous" links.

Applauding to Shardz!! Glad to see that I'm not the only one that doesn't like the new pop-up window LOL!!

I'll add my vote that this should be an option in the user's profile. I really hate any website that opens a new instance of a browser for practically every click. Sorry, but this was a very poor decision to force this onto everyone without getting some input first. I really, really, really do not like this change!

"I'll add my vote that this should be an option in the user's profile." Same here.

As a moderator I look at all the images, and in Firefox always open in new tab. This way I remain on the gallery page and have the speed of new tabs for quick viewing. I have always done this, even before it was changed. I thihnk now the galleries are running real good, and am impressed. Wonders why the main image is clickable to go back to top though.

IF I want to open it in a new window then I can perfectly well hold the SHIFT key for myself and decide what's good for me. Now I don't have any choice anymore and someone not knowing how I like to view things decides what's best for me (the word "lamer" comes to mind). What's wrong with having to use the shift key when clicking or the back button to go back? It's not as if you need to operate that mousebutton with two hands. Or make it so that you can decide to turn it off in your profile. That way it's a very good thing of course. As long as I'm not FORCED to use it.

Hummm well the only thing I have to add is that I don't care much for the new window either. I do like that the site is running faster, however it is rather cumbersome that you have to dilly around with a new window popping up in your face. It seems to me that there can be a better way of doing things, but what do I know...

Just adding my vote on the "I prefer links not poping up in a new window" side. That's my preference on all web sites I visit, and here it's making it very hard to: 1) Just move through the gallery by clicking a Next link. 2) Toggle back and forth between several images that I have found and like. I used to do this easily by opening them in new tabs as I'd go along. It's very easy to click between 20 different tabs, try doing it with 20 different windows! Because of all these changes, I'm just spending much less time on RenderO, no kidding...

I have not had any improvement in my situation since my last posting #32 but the odd thing is that I can see thumbs in the Market Place and on other sites just fine so I know that my computer settings are not the culprit. I know that many of you like and appreciate the new gallery option for viewing thumbs but are you the majority and the rest of us with the problems the minority? If that is the case and if the new format is ok with you then I guess I wll have to go with the flow. As it is for me now, I have nothing to see but a blue square with the word 'AD' in it........sure was nice to see all the thumbs displayed so I could select the ones I wanted and get to view in full size. Too Bad.

I am using firefox but i do not use the tab browsing so i find having to close a new window everytime i view a pic to be very annoying. Also, clicking the picture closes the window, not good for me when my twitchie finger clicks the picture before it fully loads so i have to re-open the pic again. Please give me back....my back button.

"everytime i view a pic to be very annoying." So let me ask you guys this...is this more annoying than the MySQL errors and the site being slow or unavailable? Is it just me or am I the only one who has noticed that there have been no SQL errors lately and the site is running the best it ever has? Tom

well the MySQL errors, the server has gone away errors, the site being slow etc etc etc are much more annoying that just using the Command W [CTRL W button for wintellies] to close the window and for those who uses a 5 button mouse like me, from Wacom or equivalent, you can program the buttons to your own preferences... I have programmed the scroll button which can also use as a click to close the window, especially men like that button the most blush

And besides the Command W button is much better to remember than the Command [ button or was it the Command ] button?

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good day

Harmen

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I never had any SQL errors up until the last few weeks and i don't know about "running the best it ever has".

My breakdown and assessment of the situation, and as crazy as it may seem, we haven't been on much of a higher level than that for awhile now. If you read through all this, you will receive a free bundle of banannas just for viewing! 1.) We shouldn't have to reprogram our pointing devices and browsers to simply view images properly on a web page. I can see back in 1883 when we are trying to send a Western Union document via Morse Code, but I wish there was a way in IE to override these settings, then I would eat my words. Lately my browser has been pointed at other sites and really enjoying the asthetics of their designs; speedy, ergonomic, sensible, and streamlined. 2.) The MySQL errors started only about a month or so ago, and the site speed was acceptable even a couple months ago. So what changed over this time? More users? Bandwidth problems? Corrupted code or database? Personally, I think one of the techies brought his pet chimp to work one day and it started rewiring the servers on lunch break! Eating our system resources isn't really an option for me as the MySQL errors at least saved me memory! It's just a matter of organization for me to operate in one window, and to clutter my desktop and cover other apps in the background that I'm viewing is ridiculous. I feel like it's 1994 again (without the age differential). 3.) The 'Silence Of The Mods' (sounds like a scary movie) and no explanation of recourse is what's keeping me in suspense here. Can you please explain what the plan is and if this is temporary until Bondagewear 3.0 is implemented within the entire site? There is a plan, right?? Do I need to buy 3 monitors and another gig of RAM just to surf the site? Help us out please. My intuition is uncanny, but I'm not this good thanks, Yoda, but no cigar. 4.) Clicking on the image to close the popup window is very sauve and prevents some scrolling and fumbling around. But I have already lost a very lengthy comment or two because I spend many hours per day on the computer and my fingers sometimes accidentally twitch and click on spots I'm not supposed to. So now we all have to be nimble like Russian gymnasts? Losing 3 paragraphs on a comment, then having to spare another 24 megs of ram to load IE again and time to open a new window seems rather archaic in design. I think this site now needs to come with a User Manual and a one year membership at World Gym. A massage therapist wouldn't hurt, either! 5.) Is there anyone out there?? Houston, come in, Houston?!? 6.) Instead of thumbnails in the gallery, let's just have all the images load in separate windows per page! This way we won't miss a thing and won't have to worry about real world issues like paying bills, emails, art programs, and posting in forums! And everyone who posts will get hits, and we won't have any naked Poser image debates anymore! It will cut down on quite a bit of clicking and bandwidth as our computers will crash before we can close all the windows, and nobody will have to comment. Perfect! Another huge leap backwards for mankind and technology! Now we're talkin', Scotty! 7.) I'm going to bed now, please wake me when the site is fixed and Bubbles has left the building after connecting the servers to the coffee machine. Laffs

Every browser gives the opportunity to have extra windows (IE: Shift+Click, Firefox: Ctrl+Click), so why this automatism? And the self-closing function is ugly too... It even does not work correctly in Firefox!

As I said in the other thread, I don't mind the new window as much as I minded the fact that you cannot force the new window to open in full screen in IE. However, I did find a freeware program that fixes that. But I do agree with Shardz. Quite a few of the people are not going to change their browsers/mouse buttons to accomodate the change. They'll just go elsewhere. I don't buy the argument that the SQL server now runs better because of that change. If the pages are cacheable, it shouldn't take anymore processor/bandwidth to do the back versus the open window.

Someone mentioned how the popups get by their popup blockers. That is because most blockers only stop popups that result as a function of opening/closing a page. They don't filter ones that open as a result of a click, as these are considered voluntary. Though there are some that block them all.

I love the new feature.