Poser continues to evolve, from simply being a figure posing tool for artists, into a full fledged 3d character animation package. Like most of you, I've used several 3D programs - so here is a brief wishlist of some "standardised" things I'd love to see added to the next version of the program. 1) Render time readout: right now, you get a status bar, and that's it. I'd like to see a more detailled readout including Current elapsed render time, time for last frame rendered (if doing an animation), and total projected time for render to finish (total projected time for all frames to render, if doing an animation). 2) A particle system: Yes, there's a very nice add-on particles package for sale at DAZ3D. But it's lacking a lot of the features that I've come to expect from a particle system. It handles arrays, and that's it. No sprays, no gravity. It also doesn't create visible emitters. Having a proper, integrated particle system, of a more standardised design would be really nice. (the particle room, maybe?) 3) HDRI/spherical lighting: Yes, Poser6 has "sphere lights" but they don't use spherical mapping. What I mean by that is, it only uses a circular portion, of the middle of the image. It doesn't actually map your entire, rectangular image around an environmental sphere. And it would be really nice if we could use HDRI maps, too. 4) GI: you can buy plug in GI engines like Brazil, or FinalRender for the "big name" 3d programs. Something similar for Poser would be fantastic. That's all I've got for now. Anyone else?

If you look into the archive, there is a real big thread about the wishlist for P X. I am pretty sure, it will take a while until the next Poser version will be on the market, until then we have to deal with the existing one and try to get the most out of it.

Better model exporting. I have tried to export a model for use in a game project and when I use it in the game, it cuts down alot of polygons and destroys the general look.

That's not poser doing that -- poser doesn't reduce polycount. That's either the engine hitting the poly cieling it has per figure (Poser figures are way too high res for use in most games)or some other program in use.

The app needs to break out of it's 1Gig RAM container. 64-Bit support. Dual processor/dual core support. I realize this might mean a total re-write. If that happens, perhaps a name change of the app is in order; it would not be 'poser' any longer. But it would be worth $500. ::::: Opera :::::

But it would be worth $500. Poser doubling in price? D|S couldnt ask for anything better.

no, there would/could still be a lite version at about the same or lower cost as now, more than competetive with what you get for $250 now

errr, being able to actually render scenes you build would be kinda nice ;P especially if you want to render them bigger, like 4000x4000 or even upwards...having to fight Poser tooth and nail to get a render over screen size gives me a pane where I don't have a window ;)~ Karen

THe 64 bit revolution still hasn't reached the critical mass of installed users to validate it. There would need to be 2 versions of the application still, in order to retain marketshare -- 32 and 64. Which means double the work. Possible, but I seriously -- as in, So seriously I'd put money on it -- doubt it will be in Poser 7. Perhaps 9, if they have shifted to an 18 to 24 month cycle, or 8 is they work on a 30 to 36 month schedule. It will most certainly happen, of that I have no doubt. I just think that getting one's hopes raised for it in the version to come next may be a bit of a stretch. A "lite" version of a program that retails for 250 in one version and jumps to 500 in the next is a recipie for disaster, especially in this particular case. My wishlist for Poser 6 is pretty simple and realistic: 1 - Improvements to the animation toolset such as: -- multiple timeline windows -- improved keyframing -- greater codec support 2 - Improved jp adjustment tools -- I dislike having to try and grasp a circle with my mouse -- it should be readily available. 3 - additional deformers 4 - Pretty figures 5 - Additional IK tools 6 - A larger python palette and expanded python interactions with the material and cloth rooms And, for my unrealistic ones: 7 - generic rigs for bipeds, quadrupeds, and hexapods. 8 - additional low level mesh adjustment tools.

I would like to see some OpenGL/Direct3D implementation like in Deep Exploration/Deep Paint 3D, to be able to render and see textures, bump maps, specular lights, etc in real time and with full quality, even if that means the preview being slow, I dun care I just want to be able to preview as acurately as posible b4 I hit Ctrl+R and wait 3 hours for the final render . . .

why would two-tier pricing be a disaster? we have it now Second, perhaps multi-core/processor and 4G+RAM support belong in the same 'box' as 64-bit, and one part of it could be implemented without the other. Perhpas not. third, what is the advantage of multiple timeline windows?

asci, if want to see it pristine in the preview, wouldn't that take 3 hours?

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The disaster would be in userbase acceptance in a newly competitive environment, especially now that the low end is taken up entirely by that competitor. Note that Poser Artist and similar versions aren't a viable option any longer. The majority of consumers, when given an option between a price outside their range and a lower price at the top of it will generally choose too simply not do either. It's silly, and no, it doesn't make sense, but that's the funky truth of it. So it would significantly impact the growth of the market, which is more important by far. actually, I do expect support for the multi-core systems as soon as a common standard is developed that works equally well between the two competing standards there (Intel and AMD are, um, sorta having an issue there). I also expect renderfarm and multiprocessor use (with, hopefully, the 3GB switch) no later than 8. Given they've been working on P7 since the release of P6 (and to some extent earlier), its possible, but if they have an 18 to 24 month cycle (which is the norm for EF) then they'll be sorely pressed to achieve much of a huge rewrite there. I expressed myself poorly, re: timeline. When I'm animating, often 'm interested in adjusting several parts at once -- the default system in poser is a single timeline that you have to switch between the various dials on that part for, then change to another bodypart. Mulitple ones would allow me to make changes across a wider range of bodyparts, essentially allowing for greater control. Ockham has a python script that allows this already, and it is incredibly useful when doing those fine tune motions like hair or jiggle or that funky behavior of the hip when a person stops.

oh now i understand about the animation request, and I am totally on board! Gotta happen. Ockham....is that his script jiggle.py or ?

1. support OSX and more speed about render ;-) 2) best/easy motion editing: MOTION BLENDING editing (like iclone) 3) interactive INPUT DEVICE for remote in real-time 3D character with keyborad or joystick (input device like motionbuilder) 4) internal lipsync tool 5) MOTION CAPTURE VIDEO BASED (motion capture with 2 or more source footages) 6) motion data import/export converter (for IK and camera) 7) camera mapping

one thing EF could do (don't you love SIM-ing someone else's marketing department?) is offer a free version of Poser.

no -- it's a different one he did a while back when he ran into the same problem, lol. It's in freestuff here, though I don't recall the name. I'll say just download all of his scripts and setthem up, lol -- he's got some absolutely amazing stuff for animation, and if you haven't really dug into his backlist, you are missing out majorly. He's also got a nifty music script that would allow you to do something similar to the animusic videos. The only other wish I have is that they create a shader SDK or open up the shaders to development (unikely, but would be cool).

lol, andy wants Poser --> Maya/MB

lol -- not a bad wish, just impractical :D

Hmm. There's a few things I'd like to see in Poser 7, and there's a few things I'd like in a P6 service pack. Let's start with the P6 service pack wishes: - hierarchy windows that open in a collapsed state by default, instead of expanded. I hate having to collapse the hierarchy in a full scene in order to find the relevant figures/props. - wider captions for the currently selected figure/prop in every palette/window that is being used. The preview window and the library palette are the most important. - configurable library palette width. I want to see those dratted names!!!! - import dialogs that remember from where I imported last. Each type of import (texture browsing, morph loading, object importing) should remember its last visited folder within a session. - fix the background image issue in Firefly. - increase the amount of decimal places visible in the Joint Editor. 3 is NOT enough, should be 5 at least. Those are very minor adjustments. Not worth a new version (and they should have been incorporated in Poser a LONG time ago!). For Poser 7: - Render to disk - Able to render more complex scenes, with more polygons and textures. Will probably require 64bit. - Able to render more than 1 figure with dynamic hair - Dynamic ropes - Pre-stretched cloth - Hierarchical library interface - Layers/groups - Dockable tool windows - Configurable menu, I want to be able to incorporate my favorite Python scripts in the menu! - Less waste of screen real estate. I know what a folder is, I don't want a ridiculously large icon taking up space! - In general, more OS-compliant user interface and keyboard shortcuts.

Anyway a realtime blending motion editor is need in poser ;-)

All I want, for the 84678596728569378th time, is clean keyboard action. A SINGLE LETTER should turn the various palettes on and off. PaintShop 7 shows how: just plain L turns the layer palette on and off, just plain C toggles the colors, etc. If this means sacrificing the precious and universally useful H-A-I-R function, so be it. And take Ctrl-A (destroy everything) away from the keyboard, for Christ's sake!!!!!!!

They should make firefly able to render double sided polygons like every other 3d app.

1)A better library system. I wish I could but all the clothes for a figure in one file instead of having them all over the place (some as figures, others as proprs, etc) 2)A easy way to import files. Perhaps they should aquire Poser Porter 3) Ability to have more than one document open at once.

forgot the all powerful one, lol!!!! Mutiple Undo!!!

They should make firefly able to render double sided polygons like every other 3d app. Check "Normals_Forward".

actually, I do expect support for the multi-core systems as soon as a common standard is developed that works equally well between the two competing standards there (Intel and AMD are, um, sorta having an issue there). Err, what are you talking about? The operating system handles that well for many years now, there's no need for any new standard...

multicore isn't multiprocessor. There are some issues with the way that The intel instruction set (and the code in the OS used to run it) runs on AMD systems. AMD has filed an anti trust lawsuit and the two companies have entered into negotiations in order to solve the hardware aspect of the issue. In most cases, this won't be overtly apparent, but in processor intensive situations, such as 3D and games, it shows up with some interesting odd quirks here and there. Programs which take advantage of Intel's hyperthreading actually function worse and may introduce errors in complex calculations when run under AMD chips -- and the reverse is true as well -- becuase of this issue. In manfuacturing, where an error in a calculation can be the difference between life and death, this becomes a pretty serious issue, and it has affected high end applications already. Ergo -- wait a bit.

a common standard between AMD and Intel? Are you Insane? :)

OLD threads regarding POSER 7 Wishlists and Requests: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=2232821 (The RIG) http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=2190054 (They listened for this Version (P6)...) http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=2144448 (Req. for Poser 6 enhancements. Referred to in "They listened for this Version") http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=2041161 (A few words about Poser) http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=2336303 (Poser 7 request to Curious Labs: Animation & 64 bit) http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=2393000 (FBX request)

Is this actually already in the works at e-frontier? My #1 entry on any given wishlist: Keep it to a new version every 3 years at the fastest, preferably 4 or 5. Let us have time to get our money's worth out of a given version before upgrading it all.

I would like to see a SENSIBLE split between the entry-level program and the "advanced" program. Not so much because of cost, but because Poser is making itself too complex for the user base. The learning curve is simply getting too steep for many people; walking in with, now, Poser6 and face room, dynamic cloth and hair, materials room, and so forth. I don't see that happening, unfortunately. First off, companies will always put in every bell and whistle they can to attract customers. If there is a "Lite" version it will still have all the confusion -- the only change will be that many of the more advanced functions will be crippled. So the beginner will still have to learn them all, but will have to pay even more money to actually use them. Second is, of course, the customers. The Poser gallery circuit is very competative, and Poser users who do not have the latest version, DAZ models, high-speed computer et al take a lot of ribbing in forums. No-one really wants to be treated as a pariah, so they'll join the herd and get whatever is the most powerful version of Poser -- regardless of whether it fits their needs.

As I've said before I'm dead set against calls for a 64 bit port. A well written 32 bit application should be more than capable of handling dozens or hundreds of high res figures and any effort that EF could expend in porting to a 64 bit system would be much better spent in redesigning the existing core. Bill

1. Renders that don't choke.

2. Renders that don't choke.

3. Renders that don't choke.

4. Incorporate certain functions that are now provided by 3rd-party add-ons. Like multi-pass rendering; batch rendering; drastically improved library organization/structure; particles (as mentioned above -- I can think of others.

5. Better element selection -- so that when you move the cursor over the right shoulder of a figure in the foreground, you don't end up selecting the Big Toe of a figure located behind it.

6. They've done a lot in the stability department, but more of the same wouldn't hurt.

7. Conforming clothing that actually conforms.

8. Improved Lightwave format export capability.

9. A Face Room that's actually good for something besides creating cartoonish & caricature-type results. Full Face Room compatibility with the Mil figures from DAZ (not at all likely -- but hey: this is a WISHlist).

10. Oh, yeah......did I mention renders that don't choke? I dunno, though.....I've about given up on that score --

I think EF should completely rewrite the code for Poser, removing any legacy code that they really don't need (I have a feeling there's quite a few), and try to streamline it so the program works better. And fix memory handling, we shouldn't still be hearing about memory problems in P6.

BTW -- as for previous P7 wishlist threads -- There are going to be a lot more of them before it's over. Get used to it.

arcady: Is this actually already in the works at e-frontier?

I spoke to someone on the 3rd-party team a few days ago who would only tell me "Many things that have been asked for for a long time will be in Poser 7."

I was grateful for that much and did not ask anything more, like WHEN?

This really happened.

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I asked when and was basically told it should be out this year but not soon. It was also made very clear that this was not in any way a commitment or a promise or an official answer.

A simpler system for creating JPs and a more integrated system for creating clothing, even a modelling system built in.

Hmmmmmm.....that's likely due to the fact that they got repeatedly hammered for saying that P6 was going to be out "soon" the last time 'round. I remember threads involving heated arguments over the definition of "soon" -- and angry accusations leveled at Curious Labs for being "deceptive" because they said "soon".

We sort of got some advance hints that P6 was about to be released -- like a 3rd-party seller catalog listing for P6 a couple of months before anyone officially announced (admitted) to the fact that P6 was about to be released.

EF has most likely learned some lessons from the last go-round. I doubt that they'll let the cat out of the bag in the same way this time.

Then again.......

See... I bought Poser 5 the week before Poser 6 was announced. So now I am extremely gun-shy about upgrading to Poser 6. That upgrade to Poser 5 was not cheap, and very ill-timed. If I buy in to Poser 6, and then it goes out the window right after, I'd be really upset. If I instead wait for Poser 7, and only a year later they announce Poser 8, I'd feel ripped off. There was only a year and a half, maybe less, between Poser 5 anf 6. And if 7 is due this year, that makes it one to one and a half years depending on when in the year it comes out.

even a modelling system built in. I wouldn't expect that. Better intigration with Shade perhaps. >they got repeatedly hammered for saying that P6 was going to be out "soon" anybody that has been around the forums for more than a week knows not to anounce or expect anything "soon"

anybody that has been around the forums for more than a week knows not to anounce or expect anything "soon"

Yeah.....that's true. One should never tell a 3-year-old that the cake will finish baking "soon". Big mistake.

If EF's ownership of Poser works out the same as their other programs, then we're going to be looking at an 18 to 24 month cycle for poser. If that's the case, then there will be a new version of poser out 4th quarter this year at the earliest, more likely 1st or second quarter next.

Personally, the more I can prepredict it the better. I therefore, prefer fairly early announcements, or some notion like 'barring complications, we expect an update every X'. While I feel that cycle is too short, at least I can work with it once I know it.

Well, won't know for sure until we see P7 come out, but based on the past history of the company (EF's been around a good long time, lol) they keep to that schedule, pausing once every four versions for a major chunk of work.

I'm inclined to think that it's about right for them, and thinking back to some of the goals that the CL team had, it fits well. Oh, and I agree -- it is too short a cycle. But profit cycles generally fade hard if there isn't a new version in roughly that same period, which makes it hard to fund development. Personally, I think a three year cycle is just about right.

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Poser 5 was great, and Poser 6 was even better...but with each new version, they seem to eat up more and more resources on my stystem, regardless of whether I'm using them or not. I've done tests with the same file open in Propack, Poser 5, and and Poser 6...and even with simple files, the rendering process slows greatly with each new version. I'm all for Poser 7, and I hope they add a lot of cool new things...but what I really recommend they make is a Poser 7 LE to accompany Poser 7's release. I want a Poser 7 LE that will offer some of the significant upgrades to the library system and the main Pose room, but leave out the face room, and all the dynamic stuff. It's not that that stuff isn't cool...but it greatly slows down the rendering speeds of many of my animations if I'm not using it. Heck, I have Poser Propack, Poser 5, and Poser 6 all on my computer, and I use them all depending on what my needs are... ...but Propack could use that updated library structure, the new point lights, and openGL. That's what I want out of Poser 7 LE...or at least a way to turn off regular Poser 7's higher functions when they're not needed.

Wishlist is short That they hire me to model the next P7 figures. Perhaps a "clear memory"( instead of reboot) button.

I don't know what you guys are talking about. P6 is perfect and has everything I could ever want ;)

Take a cue from D|S on interface efficiency. Poser 6 just crawls in startup time and window loading. Second, more advanced animation controls would be a huge plus--i.e., as mentioned above, the ability to see multiple morphs, movements, and bones on the timeline at once. That's been available elsewhere (e.g., Maya) for years, but Poser's basic graph animation capabiilties haven't changed a bit since version 3.