Hmm, seems to have stopped, although I notice there's no option to edit my posts, is that a glitch or a feature "removed temporarily" for "modification"?

Edit Okay, I can edit this one, but not my others.

Hi modus,

The edit and delete post option is only available for a 15 minute window.

Thanks

Ah, any particular reason (curiousity, nothing more)?

I would imagine it's to give enough time to correct errors but make so you can not go back days,weeks,years,later and change what you said.

Tom

Testing italics
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It's a nice little editor. The only thing I really miss is tabs, then it would have been perfect for code too.

It is a definite improvement over the previous edit box. Thanks Nicholas!

Quote - GUYS!!!!

PLEASE LEAVE YOUR TEXT COLOUR AT THE DEFAULT!

By changing it to black....

well you're becoming invisible to all of us who finally got rid of the white background.....

Them's the breaks when ya give people that sort of flexibility. Since there's no way for people to know what color others are using, there will be those times when you simply will never see the posting becuase the text conflicts with your settings.

The same issues arose int he old store format, as well, with merchants using black text on a white background that would suddenly vanish on a screen with such.

Gets even harder for those of us who had things like a really really dark green background, for instance...

Let me chime in with some complaints.

What the hell are you using for the HTML editor? I don't see anything in Opera 8.53. There's nothing in the source about an arrow beside Body. N.O.T.H.I.N.G. Or you're breaking something with those layers in Javascript? (I don't know Javascript.)

And, basically, you're supporting two browsers: IE and Mozilla. Netscape has IE and Mozilla engines. I'm not switching to either of the above. Plus IE 6 is abysmally slow on the site.

Williamsn is correct -- the html editors out there that Renderosity can use for commercial purposes all essentially rely on built in capabilities of the browsers themselves, typically via javascript.

Opera, Safari, and most other browsers outside of the Mozilla/IE grouping simply have no ability to support these editors. Nor are they likely to.

Incidentally, wait until IE7, which already has several fixes for well known CSS/HTML issues that IE6- was buggy as all get out about. And adds support for more stuff, which, incidentally, will require changes to all the CSS pages already being used.

That's hitting the internet in full this fall (about, oh, 6 months from now). Right about the same time that use of the tag in any webpage gets ugly...

Quote - Williamsn is correct -- the html editors out there that Renderosity can use for commercial purposes all essentially rely on built in capabilities of the browsers themselves, typically via javascript.

Opera, Safari, and most other browsers outside of the Mozilla/IE grouping simply have no ability to support these editors. Nor are they likely to.

That's simply not true. If Opera works with DAZ on phpBB and their editor, and works with CG Talk on vBulletin and their editor, then the problem is not in Opera but in Renderosity code. Incidentally, CG Talk uses the same "function MM_findObj" call (from Dreamweaver, IINW) as Renderosity. The difference is they use version 4.01, and Renderosity uses version 3.0.

And testing a site of this complexity on TWO browsers is lame, completely lame. Especially so because anything works in Explorer.

If you're wondering what am I talking about, Firefox is Mozilla, and Netscape uses Mozilla and Explorer engines. Two engines - two browsers.

Quote - Incidentally, wait until IE7, which already has several fixes for well known CSS/HTML issues that IE6- was buggy as all get out about. And adds support for more stuff, which, incidentally, will require changes to all the CSS pages already being used.

That's hitting the internet in full this fall (about, oh, 6 months from now). Right about the same time that use of the tag in any webpage gets ugly...

This fall? You wish. :biggrin: They are constantly pushing the release dates.

Okay, IE7 may have fixed lots of bugs present in previous versions, but it introduced new ones and hasn't fixed some of the old ones, like the DIV backgrounds.

Incidentally, this site is completely... no I won't say it. I just opened this forum in Explorer 7, saw some browser sniffing and was rejected. Explorer 7 doesn't have the editor, either.

Hell and damnation. Please, remove browser sniffing and leave browsers to do what they can do. We don't need such lame tricks.

phpbb and vbulletin don't use this style of editor -- they use a custom implementation that essentially exists in order to allow for the functionality i as many browsers as possible.

And it simply is true.  Note that I said: "... that Renderosity can use for commercial purposes..".  That, all by itself, changes a lot of things.

I'm aware of the methodology.  As for lame, I disagree.  By doing so, they cover in excess of 90% of the effective population.  That's wise use of available resources. Perhaps Opera would gain more ground by changing their implentation...

Like I said -- wait for it, lol.  IE7 is going to pretty much require recoding almost every site. And doesn't Rosity just look so awesome in IE7?  I mean, wow -- who knew it could be so totally wrecked.

Wait for the results of the Eolas case to kick in, too.  No more "object" tags...

It'll hit this winter, specifically (with Vista), and if it doesn't, MS is gonna take a hit in the markets, so peeps are gonna be working their butts off to get out.

MM_findObj: - that tells me someone has been using Dreamweaver to generate script. Yikes. When it comes to generating unreadable, unmaintainable and unintelligible code, you can't get any better than Dreamweaver.

Quote - phpbb and vbulletin don't use this style of editor -- they use a custom implementation that essentially exists in order to allow for the functionality i as many browsers as possible.

Don't seem so at CG TAlk, but, anyway, where's the problem with that? Why Renderosity cannot do that? Why do they have to use browser sniffing?

Quote - I'm aware of the methodology. As for lame, I disagree. By doing so, they cover in excess of 90% of the effective population. That's wise use of available resources. Perhaps Opera would gain more ground by changing their implentation...

When they test in Netscape, which covers 0.5% of the market in March (even less than IE 7), I wouldn't say it's a wise use of resources. And remember, they want to sell this. Will their potential clients tell their clients that they have to switch browsers?

Quote - Like I said -- wait for it, lol. IE7 is going to pretty much require recoding almost every site. And doesn't Rosity just look so awesome in IE7? I mean, wow -- who knew it could be so totally wrecked.

Since the site doesn't work in Opera or IE 7, why not fix it now instead of waiting for the axe to fall?

Just came home and opened the site in IE6.

What they do is serve stuff according to the results of browser sniffing.

And then have an iframe for the editor.

What's problematic with iframes and Opera or Safari? In Opera, there were some problems with JS iframes, but that was sloved two versions ago.

Or it may be that they have problems with all those display: none fields? I'd have to check more thoroughly to see about that.

Besides, the editor itself is a piece of GPL code. More precisely, under the Lesser GPL, which says that you mustn't charge for it. IOW, they cannot sell it.

Closed Distribution License - CDL (Download PDF)

This license offers a very flexible way to integrate FCKeditor in your commercial application. One year of e-mail support is also included.

The CDL is base on the LGPL license with the following addedums:
 

• The license is valid for a single product;
• There is no need to distribute the LGPL license with your product and no reference to it have to be done;
• No references to FCKeditor have to be done in any file distributed with your product;
• The source code of FCKeditor doesn’t have to be distributed along with your product;
• You can remove any file from FCKeditor when integrating it with the Product.

 
All other terms of the LGPL license remain valid.

makes a heck of a difference....

Erlik,

What browser are you using?

Quote - Let me chime in with some complaints.

What the hell are you using for the HTML editor? I don't see anything in Opera 8.53. There's nothing in the source about an arrow beside Body. N.O.T.H.I.N.G. Or you're breaking something with those layers in Javascript? (I don't know Javascript.)

And, basically, you're supporting two browsers: IE and Mozilla. Netscape has IE and Mozilla engines. I'm not switching to either of the above. Plus IE 6 is abysmally slow on the site.

courtesy of the evil twin...

Quote - courtesy of the evil twin...

I'm perfectly capable of being my own evil twin, thank you. :biggrin: Yeah, Opera. 8.53 here, and the latest one, 8.54, installed today at work. No change.

I'm the kind of guy who likes to justify both margins at the same time, so that they come out even like a newspaper column.  Can you program that option in too?  It would be a nice extra feature.
David P. Hoadley