It seems I can no longer access some of the forums threads at all any more, the addresses are now so long in "Element Properties" that I can no longer see the relevant numbers, and when I try copying the entire address into the address bar (which seems to be possible to copy for some reason) it says that thread is no longer there or you have to be a moderator to access that part of the forum or some such nonsense.

No more tabbed browsing in my Firefox?   I'm being driven out of Rosity here - why???

It also seems that nobody else has been having this problem. In fact, I've never even heard of a site address causing this to be a problem??? Needless to say, I can't replicate the problem.

I'm not having this problem at all so not sure why you are Fran.

Not sure what "element properties" is, but can't you just click in it and scroll along to see the relevant bit?

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maybe they deleted one or more of the threads in question, fran.

That is what I was thinking as well Nancy..when getting the message that "you have to be a moderator to access an area" then that means its a thread that has been deleted out of the public forums.

So here's a screen cap to show you what I see.  Here's my hotmail and "Element Properties" is the box that opens when I right click on "Here" (drat the darned thing!  Hate it, hate it!) This particular "Element Properties" box is too long to open sufficiently to copy the entire address, (the yelow end of the box just will NOT extend any more) plus copying the number circled in red no longer takes you to the thread when pasted into the correct position in the address bar in the renderosity tab indicated - we were told to do this to continue with tabbed browsing in Firefox - which is incredibly irritating, and I mean INCREDIBLY! but it is doable... or was.

but now we get a new thing, every now and then one of these blinkin messages - however you try to access it, either by pasting the number into the address bar (replacing the previous thread's number) or by hatefully clicking on "Here" - Firefox just totally freezes - so I have to ctrl/alt/delete to close the whole thing down and then I've got to start all over again.

(and we have other links throughout the forums that ARE capable of "Opening in New Tab" - why not the ebots???)

What with the bad colour, invisible IM's, No more tabbed browsing, tiny images in threads, and loads of other irritations that I can't think of just now cos my brain is going crazy, and now Firefox continually crashing all the time -  I just think.... well I can't think any more... fed up.

Very few people are having problems with firefox crashing, and most of those who have had problems solved there's by downloading the most recent version. Turns out they thought they had the most recent security patches and didn't. As far as the "Element Properties", that has nothing to do with the eBots. That's a problem with Hotmail's system. Looking at that dialog box, that's not even the queries after the "showthread.php" that it's putting in there. Hotmail is doing something stupid to it. I would suggest emailing Hotmail support to solve this issue. They can better tell you how to mange it than I can. Remember, Hotmail was written 100% exclusively to work properly only for users of Internet Explorer. Microsoft never has (nor will it ever) care about users of FireFox. Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do about that. :sad:

Given that tabbed browsing worked well between Hotmail / Renderosity for Fran before the ebot changes were brought in, my bet is that it is the HTML formatted nature of the new ebots that is causing the problem.

I can't think of a good reason why forum reply notification ebots need to be formatted. Plain text worked perfectly before, with the relevant link easy to see for everyone.

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"Firefox just totally freezes - so I have to ctrl/alt/delete to close the whole thing down and then I've got to start all over again."

I've had that problem sometimes on pages where Java's invoked, and you try to close the window before it's done running the script. It's very annoying.

Just a FYI - The current version of Firefox is 1.5.0.2. and it's adviseable to download it whether it solves this problem or not as there are some new security issues with older versions.

Quote - Given that tabbed browsing worked well between Hotmail / Renderosity for Fran before the ebot changes were brought in, my bet is that it is the HTML formatted nature of the new ebots that is causing the problem.

I can't think of a good reason why forum reply notification ebots need to be formatted. Plain text worked perfectly before, with the relevant link easy to see for everyone.

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EggZACTLY!!!!  A Point I have been mentioning at every opportunity until I feel I've gone blue in the face.  Arrrggghhhh!!!!

Quote - Just a FYI - The current version of Firefox is 1.5.0.2. and it's adviseable to download it whether it solves this problem or not as there are some new security issues with older versions.

Oh no it isn't.  It's not advisable for me AT ALLL.  If I do that then I can no longer use the zoom button on my keyboard which is all that enables me to see the itsy-bitsy, tiny, minute, text that is used all over the internet for some evil reason.  I had updated to the most recent version of Firefox but everything went pear-shaped from that moment on - until I removed it and reinstalled the nicer 1.0.7 that I'm using currently. 

At least I can see!!!

So does this mean that either I can used tabbed browsing (by installing the most recent Firefox) but I won't then be able to see anything?  Or I can see things, but I can't use tabbed browsing?

Because if that's the case then insert millions of very bad swear words here.

Fran, using Firefox 1.5.0.2 you can change the text size by pressing the Ctrl key while scrolling your mouse wheel (assuming you have one ;-)).  This enlarges or descreases the text size without affecting the rest of the graphics on screen.

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Quote - Very few people are having problems with firefox crashing, and most of those who have had problems solved there's by downloading the most recent version. Turns out they thought they had the most recent security patches and didn't. As far as the "Element Properties", that has nothing to do with the eBots. That's a problem with Hotmail's system. Looking at that dialog box, that's not even the queries after the "showthread.php" that it's putting in there. Hotmail is doing something stupid to it. I would suggest emailing Hotmail support to solve this issue. They can better tell you how to mange it than I can. Remember, Hotmail was written 100% exclusively to work properly only for users of Internet Explorer. Microsoft never has (nor will it ever) care about users of FireFox. Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do about that. :sad:

If you complain to Hotmail about things - nothing happens.  I've tried it before.

And there was no problem when we had ebots from Rosity with the address visible in the ebot without the stupid "here" hiding it.

Okay so maybe everybody else totally loves the "here" but I think it's irritating and stupid.

And I don't understand what this sentence means "Looking at that dialog box, that's not even the queries after the "showthread.php" that it's putting in there."

And finally why can't the address (preferably without the irritating "Here") have "Open in New Tab" as an available option?  Is that a Hotmail limitation, or at the Rosity end?  I.E. is it cureable?

BTW Fran, at your request I made you a CSS in something like your preferred colours.

Available in your thread here:
http://market.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2643067

(in case you didn't see it before)

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Ooh, regarding text size - you don't need a scoll wheel on your mouse:

Ctrl +   increases text size
Ctrl -   descreases text size
Ctrl 0   makes text size default

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Quote - Fran, using Firefox 1.5.0.2 you can change the text size by pressing the Ctrl key while scrolling your mouse wheel (assuming you have one ;-)).  This enlarges or descreases the text size without affecting the rest of the graphics on screen.

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Oh just great.  I buy a keyboard specifically because it has a zoom button - but I can't use if if I want to stay in Rosity.  Right?

But changing Firefox affects every single internet site on the web, not just Rosity.  I've been through that once, and it was hell - pure hell.

Okay okay. (calming down a bit) So... I'm thinking about this, and I have a question.

Is it possible to have two versions of Firefox running on the computer at once? 

If you can, then I could use one for Rosity and one for everything else.

P.S. I tried the ctrl plus wheel - and it works, but it's not very useable as it's fast, and inacurate.

P.P.S. If I sound angry it's not at anyone, certainly not you - just at bl**dy life.

I doubt that it is possible to have two versions of Firefox at the same time, but not 100% sure.

For security reasons alone (important!), it is strongly advisable to use the latest stable release. There are often ways of changing default settings so that newer versions can match some of the viewing properties of older versions. It's possible that you might be able to assign your keyboard's zoom button to the Firefox text control.

Change is inevitable Fran. Some of it you can adapt to your needs, otherwise you must adapt to it. The more you know, and the more people you can get onside to help you, the more control you have and the better you can cope.

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I had Firebird and Firefox both installed and workable at the same time, but I don't know about two versions of `fox.

I can't say I've ever had trouble updating Firefox -- you hardly notice the difference. And if you're going from IE, you can import all the IE favorites.

If you do update Firefox, update Java as well (delete the old one first).

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For security reasons alone (important!), it is strongly advisable to use the latest stable release. There are often ways of changing default settings so that newer versions can match some of the viewing properties of older versions. It's possible that you might be able to assign your keyboard's zoom button to the Firefox text control.

well for me it just wasn't stable.  How do you do that last bit? i.e. assign your keyboard's zoom button to the Firefox text control? 

If that's possible I might be able to upgrade after all, and that may actually solve all the other problems.

Quote - I had Firebird and Firefox both installed and workable at the same time, but I don't know about two versions of `fox.

I can't say I've ever had trouble updating Firefox -- you hardly notice the difference. And if you're going from IE, you can import all the IE favorites.

If you do update Firefox, update Java as well (delete the old one first).

I'm not going from IE, haven't used it in years, what's Firebird?

Firebird is/was the early version of Firefox from Mozilla. I don't know if it's even still available :/

I kept it on the drive after first installing Firefox until I was happy that FF was going to be OK. I could launch either browser at the time. I have always found that FF updates install themselves invisibly, with all bookmarks intact.

I did have slowness, crash and hangup problems with websites containing Java applets until I updated Java (from Sun microsystems), then no more problems.

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Actually I'm having a firefox problem here as well (and only here) my browser will occasionally totally freeze in the forums or marketplace - then blink and come back.  I'll look into the newest version to see if I have it but it's not happening elsewhere and not until the changes.  In fact it doesn't happne in teh older sections of  the site that are remaining.

I feel aneed to say - this is not a complaint as in general I like the changes overall, I just wish my browser would behave here.

I am currently using Safari. But the problems do not seem to be limited to Safari by any means. Internet Explorer and Firefox on Windows load this site extremely slow. The forums freeze on all 3 browsers for me. It gets a bit irritating to have a fast FIOS connection and still not be able to surf this site. I

I've had 2 different versions of Firefox on my desktop for a while.  As long as they're installed in different directories on your hard drive it's not a problem...BUT, you can only have one version open at any one time a.f.a.i.k.

tamil, what version of OS X and safari are you using? I didn't know what FIOS was, so I did a google search and it seemed to indicate that "some FiOS features are not available on Mac OS", which is probably false (they always say that to avoid having to answer questions about it).

Quote - Actually I'm having a firefox problem here as well (and only here) my browser will occasionally totally freeze in the forums or marketplace - then blink and come back. 

Lucky you.  My Firefox freezes and DOESN'T come back - I have to Ctrl/Alt/Delete to escape and then reopen Firefox and start all over again.  It usually happens every 3rd or 7th ebot... 

But like you - this only happens here at Rosity.

Quote - And finally why can't the address (preferably without the irritating "Here") have "Open in New Tab" as an available option?  Is that a Hotmail limitation, or at the Rosity end?  I.E. is it cureable?

I believe this is a Hotmail limitation (as IE doesn't have tabbed browsing to the best of my knowledge).

None of the links I click from a Hotmail email allow me to open in a new tab.

And I don't bother with the ebots since  "sort by post" makes sure all the new messages stay on the first page where I can see them and know there's been a reply (despite how slow the forum is for me).

Well there are times I have to end process but usually it just blinks back open.

oh and why case the zoom function on your ke?  I can.  Sadly I bought a wireless keyboard and mouse anddddddddddddddddddd it is a ppppppppppppppppaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin in the backside (see I left what it does while  I type - but it also refuses to accept keystrokes too)

Quote - tamil, what version of OS X and safari are you using? I didn't know what FIOS was, so I did a google search and it seemed to indicate that "some FiOS features are not available on Mac OS", which is probably false (they always say that to avoid having to answer questions about it).

I'm using Mac OS X 10.4.6. FIOS is high speed internet from Verizon, I have 15MB/2MB. The only thing that isn't available for Mac is the crappy MSN stuff. I wouldn't download that anyways, LOL

Sorry but this cannot be correct since I get ebots from Planet Bryce and they DO have the option to "Open in New Tab" - this is the reason why I am of the opinion that the fault in this lack of function MUST therefore belong with Renderosity. See Image*

Firmly and squarely!!

The CGTalk ebots ALSO have the addresses perfectly plainly visible - just like Renderosity used to.

So all these things are perfectly possible.

Quote - Sorry but this cannot be correct since I get ebots from Planet Bryce and they DO have the option to "Open in New Tab"

FireFox will allow you to attempt to open ANY link in a "new tab". However, if it's a link a script that forces a new window to open (as Hotmail does), it won't open in a new tab. That's just the way it works, unfortunately. Hotmail doesn't use a method of opening in a new window, it uses a method, which FireFox's "New Tab" feature cannot usurp. sNw

Quote - However, if it's a link a script that forces a new window to open (as Hotmail does), it won't open in a new tab. That's just the way it works, unfortunately.

Only with the new Renderosity ebots, Nicholas. Hotmail opens into new tabs just fine with Fran's other ebots (apparently), and with the old Renderosity ones. It is the interaction of Hotmail with the new ebots that is the problem.

It's not that anything is at fault, there's just a new incompatibility.

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I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but for me (using Firefox 1.5.0.2) clicking a link with the middle mouse button (also my scroll wheel) opens the page in a new tab.

--Naylin

Quote - > Quote - However, if it's a link a script that forces a new window to open (as Hotmail does), it won't open in a new tab. That's just the way it works, unfortunately.

Only with the new Renderosity ebots, Nicholas. Hotmail opens into new tabs just fine with Fran's other ebots (apparently), and with the old Renderosity ones. It is the interaction of Hotmail with the new ebots that is the problem.

It's not that anything is at fault, there's just a new incompatibility.

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EXACTly!!!  Well spotted that man.

Quote - I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but for me (using Firefox 1.5.0.2) clicking a link with the middle mouse button (also my scroll wheel) opens the page in a new tab.

--Naylin

Nope, it hasn't been mentioned yet, not that I have seen anyway.  I did try it (even though I don't have 1.5 version of Firefox for reasons already stated) and absolutely nothing whatever happened...

Well, it was worth a try.

Really? I've never had a menu give that availability in Hotmail while using Firefox.

See the image I posted further up in this thread - it shows that it IS possible, but not with Renderosity

The image you show - with NO option to open in new thread - is similarly brief to what I get, in Renderosity ebots.  See image above

Naff isn't it?

So how come some ebots arrive with the simple 3 options and some with the 5 options in the image in this message... and yet other ebots from different places allow the "Open in New Tab" option along with 8 other options??? 

This is just so ODD!!!

If you look at my image, it's not a Renderosity link, it goes to a different forum I'm a member of.

I just had a thought: Are you using the free Hotmail, or paid for?

Quote - But changing Firefox affects every single internet site on the web, not just Rosity. 

The free Opera browser lets you set these things per website. In Opera, the zoom is the number '0', and the zoom out is the number '9'. It will only affect the current tab. To the left of the 'google search' bar is also a pair of glasses. Clicking on the allows you to adjust some display options, one of which is a zoom field. Further under 'quick preferences' one of the choices is 'site preferences' and that will let you customize your experience with certain websites. Note, problems with fireFox seems to be an indicator that your computer is infected with the Win32.Polipos virus... So if you are having problems that are sure are not from your own misuse or misconfiguration, look into the various threads on that virus to see how you can go about detecting it.

Quote - If you look at my image, it's not a Renderosity link, it goes to a different forum I'm a member of.

I just had a thought: Are you using the free Hotmail, or paid for?

Paid for.  ((I wanted the extra space and file attachment size allowance)

That might be why you've got more options, I'm using the free version.

Quote - [quote Note, problems with fireFox seems to be an indicator that your computer is infected with the Win32.Polipos virus... So if you are having problems that are sure are not from your own misuse or misconfiguration, look into the various threads on that virus to see how you can go about detecting it.

No it isn't.

I have BitDefender - which knows about that virus, and I do not have it.

Quote - That might be why you've got more options, I'm using the free version.

Possibly, but in that case why do some of the ebots arrive with only 3 options when you right click on "here" and some ebots arrive with 5 options when you right click on "here"??? 

It makes no sense.

Neither do some of the other things in this world.

Yeah, like having the message addresses hidden in the ebots - drives me crackers!

Oh and spiders - I see no logical reason for them to exist.  :b_unbelievable:

Aren't you confusing Firefox and Thunderbird? Thunderbird is the firefox version of Outlook Express...

Anyway, it's not fair to blame Rosity for Hotmail limitations.

How about Gmail? If you want an invite, let me know, I've got several left :)

Quote - Aren't you confusing Firefox and Thunderbird? Thunderbird is the firefox version of Outlook Express...

Anyway, it's not fair to blame Rosity for Hotmail limitations.

How about Gmail? If you want an invite, let me know, I've got several left :)

As I do not have Thunderbird I won't be confusing it with anything.

And it IS fair to blame Rosity as these are NOT hotmail limitations since other ebots from other places arrive with the "Open in New Tab" option perfectly visible and available.

What on earth is "Gmail"?  Oh and Hello. (waves faintly) and P.S.  I agree about Alan Rickman.  He makes a great Snape, and a fantastic terrorist/thief, a great alien/actor, and best of all "Truly, Madly, Deeply".

P.P.S. and if I sound angry - don't worry it's not at you, just at all the Rosity Frustrations.