Having got acquainted with your product it is possible to tell, that your models of people approach only for children's overindulgence. Mockery, at people is simple - legs to not bend, if yes that knees as at robots, if villages that hips as at a skeleton, a brush a set, fingers. Plasticine models for children, but as not for work with model of the person. What so it was difficult to establish a skeleton? To learn to not compress a brush, and to hold a subject? What you there still invent, if there is no normal model which it is possible to name the Person? One output - is more than clothes to hide delight from the model. You that specially such ugly have made model of the person, good-for-nothing? Like as that is accepted for starting with the purpose, instead of from a tail.

I remember there was a very early MS-DOS program that sounded like Klac. Either someone has found an old IBM 8086 PC to re-create these statements, or, Klac is really from another Galaxy, and is responding to our early 1950's television shows like "I Love Lucy" that are just now being received in his area of the Galaxy...

Boy... I was up WAY too late last night. I kinda understand what this guy's trying to say. Sounds like a disgruntled person who expects Poser to do all the creative work for him. I love the line that Poser models are "Plasticine models for children". Sounds like he hasn't learned how to set the reflection colors to darker colors yet and is frustrated with the Barbie doll look. Nor is he satisfied with the way the clothes conform to the models. If he is a classic artist that is used to working with paint and live models (as it seems to read), then yes, Poser is a pale substitute. But for those of us who do not have the money to hire models and would rather work with computers... Poser is still the best program out there. Hope he didn't spend too much money purchasing something he hates...

Sounds like the guy is having a Shakespeare relapse to me. :) ..->[ aMP-3 ]<-.. .."What's your world look like?"

I bet there's a 'translator' involved in this. Tygercub, we both must have been up too late--I sorta' understand too LOL. Diane

i think someone has had tooooo much to drink, ya know...if he can't speak english that well, why not speak the language that suits him best? then he could make sence to those that speak his lingo. and then we could get somewhere? heh...hope i didn't AFFEND anybody...., A.;)C.

Thou has obviously not perused the finer images of yon gallery.

Damn Europeans... present company (aka everyone else :) excluded of course. ..->[ aMP-3 ]<-.. .."What's your world look like?"

amp...you keep on askin,"WHAT DOES YOUR WORLD LOOK LIKE"... ummm...maybe you should ask yourself the same question??? J/K, =) A.;)C.

Poorly understandably? Just having drunk too much, it is possible and to work in or from old age likes to creak brains. Yes a picture to draw well it turns out. Poses are necessary for dances, juggling by subjects, and as a result 3 D model for viewing for me. The clothes prevent, closing position of a body and killing all. Also what? To buy all models and and programs, and to begin to search - At whom for shoulders, knees, palms in norm? Here with happiness the baby you will become.

Definitely a tranlator is involved here, I'm gonna guess a AltaVista German->English translator. If its just done by him, he is taking German syntax and translating word for word... Hell, when he said he "drunk too much" I was waiting for him to follow with "overendulging the mead". :) ..->[ aMP-3 ]<-.. .."What's your world look like?" PS: CD-RW... the quote is my by-line, but I see your point. And the answer isnt too pretty. :)

AltaVista German->English translator. It is badly understandable? Having only drunk too much and possible to work in Poser, or for the old men of amateurs to squeak by the brains. Yes in order to sketch then this it is obtained well. Poses are necessary for the dances, which manipulate by objects/subjects, and as a result of 3 D model for the examination. Clothing interferes, shutting the position of body and killing everything. So that? To buy all models and programs, and to begin to search for - in whom arms, elbows, palm within the standard? From this happiness you will become baby.

Klac, schreiben Sie bitte auf Deutsch! Wir kannen es lesen oder ersetzen.

Yeah, what he said. ( Sorry, couldnt resist :) ..->[ aMP-3 ]<-.. .."What's your world look like?"

Klac forgot to add "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!" ;-)

ok i'm so scwered up right now i can only ask.... does it hurt to talk like that? A.;)C.

All your base are belong to us... Tribes forever! Me not Bizzaro.. Me am Superman. Well if you don't like it, buy 3d max and character studio or Maya... oh wait, those packages cost in the thousands... Poser's around $200 something American isn't it? But of course a $200 package is suppose to do EXACTLY the same things as a $3000 package, I see now. If we were all super expert artists and modellers we wouldn't be here. We'd be on the Max or Maya boards. $200 gives the average schmoe the ability to actually render something beyond a stick figure. And as far as dolls, take a look at the gallery, some of that stuff kicks ass on the commercial stuff the so called experts render. In my industry you should see some of the rendered promo crap we pay 50k for and that's from pro houses using high end packages. Micheal Angelo made some great works of art and he didn't have a computer. Its the artist that makes art great, not the tool.

heyas; we're not poseurs, we're posers. um, or poser-ers. i am not sure what your specific problems are with poser; perhaps the german-speaking members can help you. as for the rest of you, show a little more maturity than to make fun of someone speaking his non-native language, could you? thanks.

Poseur is french not german, and I did not hear "damned europeans". Why do you ridicule somebody who does not speak English ?

Hate to say this but the top end 3d progs have nothing like Poser has. Oh forgot accept Poser copies.

i just want to say if I hurt anyones fellings i had no intesion to, and am truly SORRY.... A.;)C.

I know there are quite a few on the forum that speak German, so perhaps, Klac--you can post a thread requesting a German speaker for help. Here I go with my surely misspelled, grammatically wrong German (for perspective on what a German poster must feel like). No sprecken ze Deutsch. Just as an aside, many years ago, we were in Quebec camping and were on the island out in the river (forget the names) and wanted ice cubes for our cooler. I speak NO French, David a wee bit, but he's Southern and never got the accent quite right, so we were showing people our cooler, requesting 'little' glace' LOL. I suspect many could understand our English, but at that time (and maybe still), there was major aversion to speaking English out of the city and for business. We felt 'really' stupid, or at least unable to communicate. SAme way when we were in the hinterlands there at a butcher shop and trying to buy ground meat. Finally saw some and pointed. So--folks, have a little compassion--it feels terrible not to be able to communicate. (Oh, and then there was the big sign at the bathhouse elsewhere in Quebec with lots of times, etc. We were sure that it probably told us when men and women could shower, or some such, since it was coed. Turned out to be times for mass LOLOL)

Hi Folks! I think we folks in the good old US of A sometimes forget that the Internet is just that--an international network, and digital artists do constitute a truly worldwide community. Consider how much poorer we would all be without the advancements of Kozaburo and his colleagues! So I hope we'll be a little more considerate of posters who don't speak English well. (Besides, from what I've read here in the past few years, practically NONE of us write it very well!!LOL!!) On the other hand, Klac, it's not good form to come in here and "diss" (disrespect) folks because we use a "child's tool." Some amazing things have been done with Poser, all the more so amazing because of its appeal to non-professionals and technical limitations. With a bit less attitude, you could learn a lot from us. Peter (Dr Zik)

[[ (Besides, from what I've read here in the past few years, practically NONE of us write it very well!!LOL!!) ]]

But its not my fault!!! it's the little typo gnomes that live inside my keyboard!

Actually I don't mind translating from German or French if someone needs help. I also suspect that Klac isn't German or French since there is a specific character word in his post that looks maybe like it could have come from a Cyrillic alphabet- like Russian, Greek or Eastern European... I would also suspect that Klac isn't drunk, maybe IS pissed-off, but still barely has a grip on what Poser is about. It sounds also like he is maybe got Poser 2 or something. But as we all know, the first days with a new different type of software can be very frustrating. He either needs to spend more time with it to get a handle on it- and ask coherent questions that can be translated, or go back to using a pen and pencil...

Parting the waves with my brainpan, The Poser is doing naught that dreadnaughts dread, as it is a poor mechanic that blames his Congressional airdale. Many years have I suffered in the ties that bind, also known as bondage. Broken warts figure in the historical cosmopolitan. Yet, even these will pass. Preaching inverse that lamplights the gorden, Poser opens biplane birail to masses of ignorant sharecroppers. Nuff said!

passes Jim Burton another drink, hoping to get him to do karioke next :)

Ahem....>cof<....Klac, Klaatu Barada nikto? Scarab<-(let's see if that works...)

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Guys! It is amusing to see your opuses about the language. Report your opinions to AltaVista Herman ->English translator. Me even it is interesting, how much still people will expend the remainders of the brains on the theme of language. Can on the theme - 1? (See URL.) For Mason: What to use that there were no problems with the joints? Max or Maya? Or is necessary normal (commercial) model? By price 50 ------------------ Poser - automobile by price 200$, without engine. Engine separately for 50K. Be happy ? ------------------ For the information - at life Micheal Angelo of his work, did not cost so much as now.

Not a good analogy; the Poser automobile does have an engine; it's just a Ford engine, not a Porshe. And, the engine separately would be, say, $4000, if we want to call 3DMax the Porshe. [As an aside here, there are people who would be happy paying $200 for a car without an engine.] I think it does pretty well, for the the low price. To hope for more is human nature, but to expect more is not reasonable. It could well be that Poser is not the vehicle for you. But I think if you browse through the Poser gallery, you will see that some people get a lot of mileage out of it. Perhaps if you explained what you would like to accomplish, we could better explain how to get there using Poser (assuming it is possible). --Terri

DAmn :!!!!:)))) hurt this much too being still able not to understand guys what going is to say? funny not? or my english proficiency has deteriorated so much that i cannot even sleep....