Attached Link: Virtual Fashion Basic for Poser

I would be very interested in User's comments regarding the Likes and Dislikes of Virtual Fashion.

On the outset, it looking very interesting. At the Sale price of $79.99, I would like to hear some User Comments before jumping into it.

Cheers

DR

Sounds interesting but reading between the lines it appears to be limited to P6 figures only and save the garment as a prop. Sorry, but Jessie, James and Miki are not amongst my most "popular" figures.

Attached Link: http://www.e-frontier.com/article/articleview/1821/

No I didn't even know it existed til you posted! It's in my wishlist now though! I wonder if it works on the Pose r6 Kids who I've been crying for new clothes for for a while now!

Edited: Erm.. Ok no kid's clothes yet, but maybe we can get them to add figure support like Wardobe Wizard does with addon supoprt files? (I'm a dreamer, what can I say?)

I did notice upon further reading that it also includes two new figures as well! Andrea and Bruce. Might be worth it for the new figures if they're as good as the P6 crowd, whom I do like dispite popular opinion being to the contrary.

Looks good to me!  I'm becoming a bigger fan of dynamic clothing as I get better with it, and even if it's only meant for P6 figures, there's plenty of tuts on slapping a dynamic prop onto another character.  Consider it on my wish list too.  Just gotta wait for that next Passport discount.  ;-)

Matt

The included figures are not Poser Figures, but the default figures of the program. The Poser Edition adds the Poser Figure Support.

Is this a stand-alone program? Why is it Windows only? And is it any different than PhilC's Clothing Creator? p.s. All the Content Paradise characters are supported. bB

I can't see paying that much money for a little convenience.

Yes, stand alone.

The creators did not make a MAC version. There are no plans for a MAC version.

Yes, it is different. I do not have PhilC's item to compare, but from what others said, it is different.

No, currently only the mentioned figures are supported.

Well, I bought it, then read the license agreement (shame on me). Here's paragraph one:

1. Virtual Fashion is an Internet-based online service that allows you to use the Virtual Fashion Works software when you subscribe and pay a fee as indicated by the terms and conditions of your purchase. As part of the Virtual Fashion service, Reyes Infografica maintains a site on the World Wide Web with a URL address of www.virtual-fashion.com (the "Web Site"). While your license is active and paid for you are entitled to all updates, upgrades and use of the community included as part of the service. Throughout the remainder of this Agreement, the Virtual Fashion service (including the Web Site) will be referred to as the “SERVICE”, and Virtual Fashion Works, published by Reyes Infografica will be referred to as the "SOFTWARE". Reyes Infografica grants to you a limited, non-exclusive license to use the Software and the Service subject to all of the terms and conditions of this Agreement, and the additional terms set forth in the documentation of the SOFTWARE.

... and here's another para from the agreement:

1. Termination
   Either you or “SERVICE” may terminate your Account at any time without further obligation to the other. Further, “SERVICE” reserves the right to terminate the service at any time without further obligation to you. 

I find this strange. I haven't even installed the SOFTWARE yet, and I have to "agree to agree" to it before I can even do the install. Since this product requires activation, I'd like to know how often it will "phone home" and if it can ever "deactivate" itself if, for example, I refuse to pay another $79 next year. Or next week, based on paragraph 7.

Enquiring minds want to know. I sent a note to Customer Service over at e-frontier, so hopefully someone there will know what this actually means.

God I hate hidden Gotchas!

Can this export to other programs? Has this version been modified for Poser or does it have the same features as Virtual Fasion Basic but with added poser content?

Once activated, you can run it without Internet Connection. (I have checked this with no issue) If you read most any EULA, they all say the same thing in one way or another. Even MS and Apple License Agreements have similar clauses.

I bought this...  their add says "and others" which I took the bait and thought it might be for V3 too.  I am wondering if they can be imported somehow...so far I dont see a way, but there is a runtime, textures, etc folders in its directory.  I made some little leather mini skirt and pulled it in to poser.  I changed the scale a bit and it fits ok on V3..   I think with some tweakig it can be made to work with any of them.  it did let me make this little dress fast without much reading.  So, if you do like prop clothing, and feel like you can design, its not to bad.  I just need to learn more.  I am not so sure its worth the $80 which I should not of paid....it would of bought a lot of market place things.  So the jury is out on if I like it...I had to try it though heheh 

I'd sure like to know whether it's a one-year license only.  It reads that way on the Virtual Fasion home website, and it is not clear on the Content Paradise website.

I think it could do complex, as you can cut and create folds and move sections in and out, but I barely know how to use it ...  they do have a demo that I think you all could try..I should of done that, but boom, out came the visa and I ordered it

Anyway, this took me all of ten minutes so it probably isn't a stellar example of what the program can do. I really like how it works -- it is much more like sewing than modeling. Spline, shmlines --I can actually understand draping material and taking scissors to it!

I just bought it. I'm printing out the PDF manual right now. I had to laugh at the line that says "works with Poser's most popular figures" (or something like that) Ummm, I always thought Vicki was Poser's most popular figure. Oh well, like vulcanccit says, with a little tweaking we should be able to get it to work with Victoria, either that or they will come out with an "add on pack" for her.

Bit OT - sorry

Quote - Can it do complex clothing, like period costumes (Ancient Egypt and Feudal Japan)? Or is it like most dynamic clothes, -- simple drapping without seams? bB

BastBlack, visit hisayan's site.

http://homepage.mac.com/hisaom1/ImageLabs/TOP.htm

There are ancient Japanese clothes.

Activation schemes again? Don't they ever learn? Oh well. I wish them luck. I would never risk my money on activations or subscription based software.

The activation part doesn't bother me so much, Poser 6 does something similar to check if there are multiple copies with the same serial running.  But has anyone verified if this is a one-time purchase, or something I have to renew every year?

Matt

Quote - http://homepage.mac.com/hisaom1/ImageLabs/TOP.htm

There are ancient Japanese clothes.

Thanks for the link. Hisaom's stuff is great. Some dynamic cloth and conforming historical costumes. I've tried to convert the conforming pieces to dynamic for added realism with folds and draping, but it didn't work. The conforming pieces are too complex and you can't have backfacing polygons. What I've after is not exactly historical but more like what anime characters wear so there isn't anything out there like that. Plus, I'm into historical costumes from other places like Egypt. So.... can VFP do layers? bB

From the virtualfashion web site store. 

All prices are in Euro Currency and are for a 1 year license which includes all product updates, upgrades and access to the online community. Please, read the Product License. For a physical CD shipping & handling costs will apply as indicated in our online store.

Quote - I just bought it. I'm printing out the PDF manual right now. I had to laugh at the line that says "works with Poser's most popular figures" (or something like that) Ummm, I always thought Vicki was Poser's most popular figure. Oh well, like vulcanccit says, with a little tweaking we should be able to get it to work with Victoria, either that or they will come out with an "add on pack" for her.

Frankly I think that line is a matter of Symantics as Vicky is not a "Poser" Figure, She's a DAZ figure. Poser figures are figures that come with Poser. It's just a marketing way of saying what they want to say to sell the program.

$79 for one year???  Such a deal

Matt

Thank you for this thread. I was so close to buying it and so was 2 of my friends,  but there was this little warning in the back of my head and now I'm glad I didn't.

When I buy a program I want to be able to use them as long as I want. I have made mistakes before, only buying licens and I try to avoid that. Then there was also the issuse about the models supported. I just reinstalled poser 6 and I had choosen not to install any poser figuers this time, but only M3, V3 and A3.

A pity, but if somethings looks to good to be true, it ofthen is.

Quote - but there was this little warning in the back of my head and now I'm glad I didn't.

What else do the voices tell you? ;-)

has anyone actually heard back from efrontier about the "1-year liscense" issue?

Just to be certain, I fired off a query to e-Frontier about VFBasic.  Let's see what they say.

Matt

That's not how I read that statement. "Virtual Fashion [the company/service] is an Internet-based online service that allows you to use the Virtual Fashion Works software [the software you buy] when you subscribe and pay a fee [the purchase cost] as indicated by the terms and conditions of your purchase. [...] While your license is active and paid for you are entitled to all updates, upgrades and use of the community included as part of the service." To me, that says that you buy Virtual Fashion Works and that grants you a one year subscription to Virtual Fashion the service, which includes updates and upgrades to the VFW software. In short, you buy it once and get a service which means you can have free upgrades for a year, if and when they become available. Pretty standard software stuff, really. "Software" and "service" are not equivalent here.

Quote - $79 for one year???  Such a deal

Matt

The License does not need to be renewed. It is not limited to a year.

I am not sure, but I think even on their site, that was not the intention. My understanding is that they are changing the Web Site to clarify their Pricing of their products.

My first thought was the 1 year thing was for the free Upgrades, so if they came out with a new version during that year you would get it free. I am not sure if that was their intention, but I do know that the License for the Virtual Fashion for Poser is not time limited.

e-Frontier wrote back:

Hello Matthew,

I hope that this will clear things up for you?  If not, please advise.

"The software license for Virtual Fashion Basic for Poser is a perpetual license to use this software. The software will not time out, and it will continue to be supported as long as it is offered for sale. Software updates (such as bug fixes, etc) are available free for 1 year after your original date of purchase. Additional development, new functionality offered and updates beyond one year will be available in the form of software upgrades."

Have a Great Day!

Lisa Larson
Customer Service Representative
e frontier
www.e-frontier.com
fax: 831-480-2010

So basically they're going the Norton route.   Ehhh....

Matt

Glad e-Frontier got back you (I'm still waiting). That does clarify things a bit. I was hoping that the one-year issue was simply a "lost in translation" kind of thing.

Yes. RatCloset has officially stated that the 1 year License does NOT shut the program off at the end of one year over at CP. It's back on my to buy list! It can also be activated on up to 4 diffeent machines. You just can't run it on all 4 at the same time, kinda like Poser which checks the network for other copies being run.

Well after playing with it for a little while, I must say I'm quite impressed. In has a lot of little extra features that are really nice. I like the photography room (or whatever they call it) you can select different backgrounds, set the lighting, and take "pictures" of your model wearing your new creation. I also like when you change the pose of the figure, you can actually watch the clothing adjust (like a little animation) to the body and see if there are any problems. For example, I made my dress with the figure standing with arms straight out, when I changed the pose to "hands on hips" I watched the shoulders of the dress slip down from the top to just off the side of the shoulders. I think this is a great preview BEFORE you actually even get the clothing into Poser.

Has anyone tried using it on the MALE figures yet? Might go back on my "to buy" list if it can do more than make gowns for Vicky. ;-)

Q: I heard on the forums that VF license is only good for a year. Is this true?

A: Not. The software license for Virtual Fashion Basic for Poser is a perpetual license to use this software. The software will not time out, and it will continue to be supported as long as it is offered for sale. Software updates (such as bug fixes, etc) are available free for 1 year after your original date of purchase. Additional development, new functionality offered and updates beyond one year will be available in the form of software upgrades.

Quote - Has anyone tried using it on the MALE figures yet? Might go back on my "to buy" list if it can do more than make gowns for Vicky. ;-)

It works with both male and female figures. It's actually very versatile once you start messing around with all the features it has.

In that case I'll go grab the demo & give it a whirl.

Looks good. There's also a downloadable dress made with VF at e-frontier:

http://www.e-frontier.com/article/articleview/1821/1/766?sbss=766

You can load the dress into a Poser library and try it on Jessi:-)

Okay, I watched the demo videos and looked at the gallery pictures.  Yesterday everything was running slow.  Was there a Stampede, or what?  ;)

It looks very impressive what it can do. I'm good at Illustrator, so this is like clothing creation with path tools. Interesting. Looks fast too.  I am feeling tempted...  ;)

I see that it can do layers. I'm looking at doing some Egyptian kilts and kimono type tops. I may just have to cave.  ;)

bB

p.s.**  ** h-kana, I just revisited hisayan's site, and WHOA! That exact outfit, right there! I didn't know about it until I visited. Hisayan does such nice work. I wonder if this outfit will be released anytime soon?

Quote - In that case I'll go grab the demo & give it a whirl.

I don't think there is a demo. Just demo videos.
I didn't see a demo try-out.

bB

There is a Demo of the VF at the VF Site, it does not include the Poser Support, but you can get a feel of the interface.

Attached Link: http://www.virtual-fashion.com/html/en/products_vfbasic.php

Thanks, Matt, for letting us know what e-frontier said. That puts it on my more likely than not list.

I have a couple of questions for anyone that's trying it yet.

1. It doesn't specifically list Koji, but james's stuff basically fits Koji -- so anyone tried it on Koji yet and how did it work?

2. Does it create a texture template of the item for export? (E.g. so that new patterns, etc., can be added and not just the 11 fabric styles plus color template -- i thought i saw a pattern in there).

3. Since it spits out an .obj ... does that mean I can export it with transposer to carrera for more modeling/texture work on it? (Or Hex, which I haven't even unzipped yet)

Dumb-bunny questions, most likely, but thanks for the answers :-)

I just made my first pair of pants and yeah it spit's out the material settings to Poser on the items you make, but not in the material library. If you want to save the material you'll need to go to the material room once yuo've opend the item to save the new VF materials somewhere.

who are Bruce and Andrea?

The base figures that come with it, I do believe.

Just got back from looking at the website.  Was this program made for Poser, or was Poser support recently added? 

Just curious... I thought eF made it, but it doesn't look that way judging by the website.

bB