"I've found that all blue moon models have their partisans within the Poser community -- but they are still just blue moon models.  Also-rans: without a whole lot of outside support.  Although there is some."

Personally, I'm a sucker for new figures and really like to give them a shot, particularly if I've seen the figure in development or have talked with the developer.  Something that Sixus1, Anton, Neftis, and Seraphira have done particularly well is to post WIP's for viewer comment.  I think sometimes having the consumer be part of the process alleviates the feeling of not having "extra" functionality as there is some opportunity to provide imput.  Plus, I think it gives the developer an idea of what the user would like from a figure.

V3, the most popular poser figure, is blue moon figure in my runtime.  It just seems odd how quickly some figures are dismissed as being niche figures without really having a chance to compete in the market...

Frankly, and this isn't a dis towards DAZ, but I've only used V3 in maybe 3 renders tops! V2 even less. I don't dislike them, they just don't strike my fancy and frankly I prefer working on images with figures that you don't see everywhere else with a sword in a temple. Everyone has their own tastes and mine lean towards the Poser figures. I don't want or need a figure just because everyone and their dogs are producing stuff for them, frankly I'm enjoying learning to produce stuff on my own with figures less supported. If I happen to find issues with the figures I like, it's my perogative to say something about it if I'm using them. I fully intend to make use of the full release G2 figures when and or if they get themselves together. Doesn't mean I won't point out flaws when I find them.

I bought Poser 6. I bought Koji. After what I've seen here, I'm in no hurry at all to get the G2 version of Koji and James and Jessi. loll I just reinstalled Koji last week and James and Jessi are not even reinstalled yet!

While I think it is perfectly allright for them to let Passport owners get the first chance at the new generation, I do think it is not the right place here to brag about it. Don't they offer a forum where you can discuss these things among yourself?

Sorry but I just had to say this. ;o)

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While I think it is perfectly allright for them to let Passport owners get the first chance at the new generation, I do think it is not the right place here to brag about it. Don't they offer a forum where you can discuss these things among yourself?

I don't think anyone in this thread is bragging about having the figures. I thought it started as a headsup for any Content Paradise Members who might not visit the site regularly. It was about a new redesign of the site, not just the G2 figures.

There is a lot of discussion going on in the content Paradise Forums both praise and critisism in the section especially for the new G2 figures (thats open to anyone). That is where I would ask questions about the figures and express my opinions.

As PapaBlueMarlin said other developers have posted W.I.P. in the past.Here CP/EF have posted actual figures for people who have shown support for them by making the commitment to buy the Passport. The figures will be eventually released for every one. The one question is will they change and is it worth developing/buying any products based on these figures.

It's not just Poser - you should see the screams of "When is Vue 6 coming out?" in the Vue forum. People queue up to buy a buggy new product before the bugs are fixed in the old one. No wonder standards in the software industry are so low.

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Damn!  How come I never got any invites?

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Yes, but you do have to drop your pants and show him the secret sign tattooed on your butt!

Quote - Well, I think the new site design is a disaster, and I expect it to hurt my sales there.  A perfect example of style over substance.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that finds it very user unfriendly.

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Thanks, Mizrael. I finally found that an hour ago, lol.  I'm not used to seeing some forum post options given as icons and others as text links. Totally missed that.

Much obliged, for your help, Phantast.

Favorite quotes:

"...if DAZ purchased e-frontier to acquire Poser, then they could make D|S work properly in every way as they would then have direct access to the source code."

and,

"I'm having to much fun watching ef figures shoot themselves in the foot, again.

"He blew up real good." "

LOL!

Quote - V3, the most popular poser figure, is blue moon figure in my runtime.  It just seems odd how quickly some figures are dismissed as being niche figures without really having a chance to compete in the market...

A few years ago, a new restaurant opened for business in our town.  Watching the building and the signs as the site was under construction led me to the conclusion that the eatery was going to be a place that I'd need to try out.  I expected that the food there would prove to be a bit on the pricey side -- it gave all indications of being a place for a fancy Saturday night out.

Well......the restaurant kindly mailed out some menus to people in the local area just prior to their grand opening.  The menu prominently featured such popular dishes as alligator meat, rattlesnake, ostrich steaks -- and so forth.

The shiny new restaurant closed its doors about three months later.

And why......?  Couldn't the intrepid restaurateur simply have sent out a second menu mailing which offered people MORE alligator meat at greatly reduced prices?  What if they had offered to give away a free lifetime supply of alligator meat?  Wouldn't that have caused the customers to pound the restautant's doors down trying to be the first ones to get to a table?

Whenever these 'alternative figures vs. the DAZ figures' threads come up, one often hears the argument presented that the real problem stems from the lack of outside support for those same alternative figures.  If only -- we are told -- the 3rd-party vendors would start churning out products to support those alternative figures -- then the alternative figures would REALLY take off and fly !  Let's see more of that alligator meat offered up to the buying public !  That'll bring in swarms of customers like flies to a spilled soft drink !

Sorry -- but it just don't work thataway.  The market likes what it likes.  And for some mysterious reason or other, that simple fact is quite upsetting to some.......but I'd speculate that the 'mysterious reason' is most likely because the vast majority of the market doesn't happen to like whatever it is that they like.  After all -- some few rare people (and sometimes quite vocal) actually enjoy the taste of alligator meat -- for who knows what reason.  But most of us don't like it...........in fact, we've never even tried it; nor have we so much as thought about trying it.  Nor do we intend to start now.  We'll keep right on ordering our plain beefsteak as we like it.  Not as someone else's off-the-wall tastes dictate that the rest of us ought to like it.  We won't even give the alligator a second look.

Lest anyone misunderstand what I am saying here: in my book, alternative figures are great!  And I've got a fair number of them in my runtime.  I wish that outside vendors would produce more of them........so that I can use them as a handy garnish in my scenes with V3.

So bring on more alternative figures.  V3 can use some background models to enhance the scene.  A good alligator figure would be nice..........

alligator and ostrich available at Daz along with V3.

Those bastards! Cornering that market too!

Sorry, couldn't help my self.

Alligator steak is great. I'd have eaten there :biggrin:

I like Miki and Steph Petite, too ;-)

Alligator steak tastes like chicken but some people might say it tastes like catfish.

Yeah, maybe V3 can defend herself from the alligator with that sword that she's carrying around most of the time.

Now there's an idea......as popular of an accessory as a sword seems to be for V3: you'd think that every woman would want one.  Stores in the local mall should start putting up racks of swords in the women's clothing department.  Along with chainmail bikini briefs and helmets.  Now there's a market for you.........although I'm not entirely convinced the the average petite woman would care to walk around lugging a 75lb. sword, and wearing a 25 lb. iron hat on her head.  The iron hat might muss her hair.  And a sword that size might cause her to break a nail.  Do you realize how expensive those manicures can be?  Not to mention what would happen if she were to drop the sword on her high-heel wearing foot......

Well....maybe it's not such a good marketing idea after all......

I like SP, too.  And I'd say that Miki......is a potentially great figure.  IMHO>

So, catfish tastes like chicken too?

None of you have gotten it right.  Alligator tastes like Soylent Green.  After all, they say that "you are what you eat".

what Seaweed?
(I read the book....)

You mean to tell me that somebody read the book?  Now that's a first.

Make Room! Make Room! by Harry Harrison. they really butchered it into film and it's almost unrecognisable...

quite good but not his best work.. for that you want the Stainless Steel Rat books or the to the Stars! Trilogy...

Yeah, the film was crap. I'd rate it his best actually (although I do like SSR as well.) There's something kind of Chandler-esque to MR!MR!

you heard the bad news? 'the Technicolour Time Machine' was optioned by Mel Gibson..... gaaaah please hand it over to someone that cares....

All of this reminds me -- a couple of months back ('round about May, I think) there was a spate of several fatal alligator attacks which happened in Florida.  IIRC, one alligator grabbed a jogger.

At the time, an interesting detail tied the attacks together -- all of the alligators seemed to prefer attractive women in their early 20's.

And how could anybody not like Soylent Green?  Wasn't that the movie where the security police wore silver spary-painted football helmets?  What's not to like about that?

Never mind alligator - wildebeest! There is no meat so delicious as wildebeest, I assure you!

I am NOT kidding you ...

OK, OK.....I confess.  I tried a Bison Burger a couple of weeks ago.  It was very good.  And supposedly it has less cholesterol than a grilled chicken breast.  Or so the restaurant's menu claimed, anyway.

Hey, if I can have a great tasting burger guilt-free, then I'm all for it.......

we regularly have Elk here... (friend of ours raises them for meat) and at the farmers market, Buffalo. Elk etc are there for sale every saturday morning... and cheaper than beef in the supermarkets.. (and tastes a damn sight better).. infact we're doing most of our meat and veg  shopping now at the farmer's market.... eating better for cheaper :)

That’s because we had a very dry spell for a while which drives the gators into populated waterways. 

More so recently, now that Burmese Pythons have overpopulated in the Glades and become predators to alligators.

Here is a pix of a 13-foot Python that swallowed a same size gator….then exploded with indigestion.

GatorBits (gator tail, not gator meat), is delicious…. just don’t overeat.

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Me too!

“Hey, if I can have a great tasting burger guilt-free, then I'm all for it.......”

Then you should try the new burger from McDonalds that’s made from the one part of the cow that contains no fat or cholesterol…the lips**.**

A burger made from nothing else but lips.

It’s called the McJagger.

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I saw that gator/python picture back when it was first floating around the web several months ago.  At the time, I read speculation that the python was in turn killed by the gator which it had eaten -- that the gator had clawed open the snake's body from within before expiring itself.  I've also heard that when gator and python meet: the gator usually wins.  Just not always.  But the snakes are a new wrinkle in the Everglades.  The only predator that hunted the gators before the coming of the pythons was Man.

IIRC, the spate of gator attacks earlier this year puzzled the experts.  I recall hearing reports that this wasn't typical gator behavior -- it was out of the ordinary.  And it was also odd that all of the victims were good-looking young women.

Mmmm... Bison Burgers at the Train Wreck Saloon here in Westport Plaza! Yurmy!!!!

Have a buffalo rancher just a couple of miles from me. Always pick up a case of burgers from him for my yearly barby bash. Couple of kegs go great with them.

Quote - Thanks. I put em' all in a 2ndSkin made for James and from what I see on Kelvin's Neck, they're not gonna be wearing the same 2ndSkin suits either. I just ran them all through FaceOff's Real Skin Shader for the same image. Not too bad.

Jame's New Detachable Penis doesn't conform properly out of the box and has to be scaled down to draw it up to his hip properly. It does have more built in morphs however which is a big plus and it's much more poseable being a separate figure now.

I don't think the penis figures are meant to be conformed.

They are. The Jame's version was mistakenly saved for distribution after being conformed to a mesomorphed James and distributed with the morphs turned on. When I zero'd the morphs on the figure it conformed perfectly. I just resaved it to the library with external morphs turned off and it works great.