I mean easy cell shading at the click of a button not adjusting endless materials one at a time? And how easy will it be to make the scenary as well as the objects also look cel shaded? I read the whole vue 6 info on their site and I was so disappointed that I didin't see anything about toon rendering, nonphotorealistic rendering and cel shading. Love esther

However- at least ONE interesting alternative will exist- Vue 6 is supposed to be able to read in the ENTIRE Poser 6 Shader Tree- MEANING- Olivier's TOON Materials for Poser 6 "could" be loaded into VUE 6 from a Pz3 or Pzz scene file...

Attached Link: http://poser.rois-sorciers.com/ShaderWorks/

...Set up your TOON Materials in Shaderworks- and then load the Poser scene into Vue 6...

Attached Link: http://www.runtimedna.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=Olivier

These Poser shaders "should" all work in Vue 6- according to the E-on website...

Yes, but vue has scenary. How funny will the toon stuff look if the buildings and rocks and plants don't look cel shaded? Love esther

I've also been Bugging E-on about supporting Piranesi. They've been playing with it in their office for about a year, I think. E-on might actually release a Piranesi file exporter for Vue 6- but it isn't a big priority for them right now-- of course- Piranesi isn't CHEAP either- so it probably isn't as cost friendly as Olivier's Art Materials.

I suspect that the NPR renderer for Carrara MIGHT have been developed by some of the people who were with the Eovia Europe- Amapi Group- which has since been purchased by e-frontier. Maybe some of the E-on guys can jump into one of their Lamborgini's and cruise down the road in Paris and see if these Eovia Europe guys will write them up a nice NPR renderer for Vue 6...     : )

I have a feeling it's too late. I think vue 6 is more or less finished now and just having bugs ironed out before being released. I don't think they'll add anymore features. I was so hoping for cel shading. Love esther

You can't bring all your Vue work into Poser?
Why can't you tell Vue objects to use the Poser rendering nodes also?

~Shawn

Well- IF e-frontier and E-on could cut a deal (which would seem certainly possible) so that Poser 7 (which would presumably also have a 64 bit version) could READ-IN Vue files-  THEN, yes, that would be a great new feature for Poser!

It would be possible in a number of ways- Poser 7 could read in straight VUE files- or some type of VUE Layer EXPORT File format (there are several that Vue supports)... POSER 7 might also support VOB files... etc.

But reguarding Esther's feeling that it is "Too Late"- I'm not completely sure it is- mainly because E-on may have shown its new CORE features at Siggraph- but might have some other's beta-testing other components we have not seen. I have been told by E-on for at least TWO YEARS that- sure- "We can make an NPR renderer"- like it was "No Problem" (and maybe they have already done it .)

But- they do some ODD THINGS- like putting the really cool Post-Processing feature in an OBSCURE location in Vue 5 I. Most people today barely know where it is or how to find it. If they can stick THAT in a weird little spot- then they could put an NPR renderer in there ALSO. (An NPR renderer could be written separately by some 3rd-Party contractor- like someone from Eovia Europe- or from someplace else.)

I also believe they haven't shown everything because there has been NOTHING shown about any new Plant Editor features- I would find really hard to believe they would release Vue 6 without them... I also don't think Vue will actually be released until VERY LATE this year- like November-December... It would be good timing anyway as people are in their best money spending mood then...

Quote - But- they do some ODD THINGS- like putting the really cool Post-Processing feature in an OBSCURE location in Vue 5 I. Most people today barely know where it is or how to find it.

For the brand new & uninitiated to V5I (and Vue in general), care to offer me some landmarks, Veritas, so I can find this cool sounding feature?

Nevermind -  a very helpful friend saw my above post and told me how to do it! :)

BTW- for anyone interested in ShaderWorks and the new Art Materials "Dry-Shaders" pack- Semidieu has posted his newest FREE release. It makes using these Amazing shaders a very simple One-Two Click operation...

Veritas,

I think your expectations on the ability of Vue6 to render an exact copy of what you get in Poser may be a bit too elevated.  Even if you could render something similar with an imported toon-shaded object, how would you apply this shader to the surrounding Vue scenery?  What would really be the best of all worlds is for the ShaderWorks developer to implement his shader natively in Vue.

Heh! Don't think I'm NOT already WORKING ON THAT!... I've previously already put Olivier Vinet in touch with Nicholas Phelps- well before the SIGGRAPH show. I don't know what the out come of that conversation was- but I know Olivier did get Vue 5 Infinite shortly thereafter...  If Olivier was to get into some deal to work with E-on in beta-testing, developing, etc- NOTHING could be said anyway, of course, due to NDA's...  (The other major players at RDNA also got Vue 5 Infinite as well around the same time- and as we know- e-frontier and E-on work together on some things...)

But my above examples were NOT implying that these P6 shaders would be applied DIRECTLY to Vue scenery- what I was referring to was IMPORTING P6 scenes or animations with Olivier's shader trees already applied- and then running the animations (or rendering the scenes) in Vue 6 with a 64 bit OS for MAX Horse-Power...

Olivier's shaders actually work best with a single light source- so a specific P6 rendering stage could be set up in Vue 6 to emulate a P6 light source. As you might remember- I did some posts here around two years ago showing how to emulate the TOON look in Poser, and how to set up a "Virtual Animation Stand" in Vue to create a Cel-Shade type lighting set-up. I ALSO sent this info to E-on with some suggestions and tweaks for making it work even better...

For Piranesi type rendering EFX's - it would probably take a combination of an NPR renderer- like Carrara's very well done (but not perfect) renderer- and Olivier's shaders. Otherwise, I can already sort of get this EFX now by using multi-pass and multi-layering in Photoshop...

Another BTW- People interested in having some type of NPR Scenery EFX in Vue Scenes will be interested in this link, I think...  Olivier's Art Materials can render multi-layer 2D scenery exported from Vue and then be composited in the background with Poser characters in the fore-ground.

It might be very possible to take this even FURTHER when Vue 6 ships and we can see how far the shader tree functions will work on multi-layers in Vue...

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