Got my second (at least) warning today,  for using the warning flags "inappropriately." Let this be a lesson to all of you using language. Some language is to be flagged, and some is not, and if you flag language that shouldn't be flagged, that is just as bad as not flagging language that should be flagged. Not to mention suggesting that you are not taking all this very seriously.

Likewise with violence, Ok? And that other one.

Mick McA
Formerly jesting.

You ARE joking right!!

Never know with you  

THE JABBERWOCKY

<br></br><br></br>Excerpted from: 'Through the Looking-Glass'<br></br>by Lewis Carroll [Charles Dodgson]

o.k., will make a mental note of that. not certain, but I haven't actually used the flags yet. I do recall in the past, some guys would flag nudity to get more thread views, even tho they posted no image.

We've simply asked, repeatedly, that the flags on posts, etc, be used appropriately.  There are people who avoid flagged threads for various reasons, i.e. they may be at work, they may have children at home that they don't wish to see what they're doing, or, they themselves may not want to view harsh language, violence, or nudity.

I don't think that it's fair to us to have to ask you repeatedly to knock it off.  And, I don't think it fair to other members that you've flagged your posts without cause.  So it's a nitpicky thing.  When you do stuff like that, it renders having the flags in the first place useless.

And, as always, if you have any problems with how we impliment what we do, feel free to contact admin@Renderosity.com

MS

The flag is only to fly from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary flagstaffs in the open. However, when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed twenty-four hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness.

The flag should be hoisted briskly and lowered ceremoniously.

The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement, except when an all-weather flag is displayed.
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**The flag should never be used as wearing apparel.

When the flag is displayed on a car, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.When the flag is fixed to a motorcycle.The US flag should always be on its right.

The flag is never to be thrown in to the trash or dumpster. It is to be burned with dignity.

Oops, wrong flag.

So then I have a question

With my "off with their heads" thread, was it in-appropropiate to use the violence warning?

My belief is that I would rather know ahead of time that a particular post MAY contain violence, nudity etc. After all isn't lopping someone's head off a tad violent (not meaning to sound sarcastic). By the same token, should I have used a flag for my "furries" post?

Granted, I'm sure there are those that OVER-use/UNDER-use flags, but I think there will always be "grey" areas, like mine. I would like to know (and maybe it's in a post somewhere) beyond the obvious postings, when should a flag be used?

Thoughts?

Hi kanshinin,

Given that you're talking about showing people post-guillotine, yeah I think a violence tag is appropriate.

We would only expect you to use the nudity tag when posting images with nudity ;-)

Cheers!

I guess a lot of people use the flags "just in case" and I KNOW a lot of newbies in the past has flagged their posts with "nudity and Violence" eventhough their thread held neither because they thought it meant that it would be ok for OTHER to post such things in that thread.

And since the Language flag is a new one (compared to the others) - when do we use that? Does it mean that it's ok to use the f-word now, as long as we flag the post (if I'm not mistaken, cussing in threads has been a no-no in the past, and for good reason too, I do cuss a lot IRL but it looks highly immature in writing so I try to stay away from it - of course you can get so furious that it's the only way to thoroughly express what you mean, but in THOSE cases it's probably an even better idea to walk away from the computer completely and take a breath of fresh air...

So.. what exactely IS the Language flag for?

Surely it's not just for when you write in another language? ;o)

Det kunne ellers være skægt. Måske skulle vi allesammen begynde på det? Det ville give de stakkels moderatorer grå hår selvfølgelig, men så længe vi bare sætter flaget... ;o)

Yeah, ernyoka ;)  The language flag is for when you swear.  Although we really hope to not get floods of tirades containing nothing but the f-bomb, we know that many adults (myself included) do decorate their speech from time to time with colorful language. ;)  Hence the flag.

Quote - Surely it's not just for when you write in another language? ;o)

Only Anglo-Saxon :laugh:

"The language flag is for when you swear. "

do we have a list of swear words?

eg to an American, 'Wanker' means nothing. To an Autralian or a Brit, it's a swear word...

so how do you define (past the obivous ones like fuck) what is defined by the rules here as a swear word considering this is an international community and swearwords differ from place to place?

We'd ask you to use common sense and your own judgement. If you fail to set a flag and someone complains, we'll just set it for you :-)

Please don't ask me to give a list because I have a foul mouth and a huge vocabulary, and I have to get to bed soon :lol:

To answer an earlier question. As you can see, I am not kidding. But maybe they are, so keep your peckers up, as Capt. Cockup would say. And no ankles, please..

M

For further clarification, be sure to check out George Carlin's "7 Words you cannot say on Renderosity."  :b_funny:  -Starkdog

I'm in the process of removing my gallery from the site, since I would hate to have it orphaned. And amusing myself over the idea that titling a thread "Off with their heads" merits a violence tag, but when a pet vendor suggested that he would arrange things so I would be eating with a straw, that didn't.

Oh well, Renderosity membership was never on my resume. The idea is, after all, total bovine excrement.

M

hmm..and 'Free Willie' was a movie title in the US..in the UK, it cracked people up.
Knocking up people in Britain is far moe of a casual affair than in the US.
Shag is carpet (and an obscure beach kind of dance in the Carolinas)here , and something..well, 'nuff said..;)
Tiene huevos is not something you ask in the market in Mexico, hay huevos is..;)

I could go on..;)

Attached Link: Anglo-Saxon

Anglo-Saxon, or Old English, hasn't been an official language since William the Conqueror defeated Harold II Godwinson at Senlac (Battle of Hastings) on October 14, 1066 CE.  Are you therefore saying that only when we quote from Beowulf or the Anglo-
saxon Chronicle we should use the Language Flag?  'Facinating,' as Spock would say.
David P. Hoadley

Mick, I know that you've been having some kind of tiff (as opposed to jpeg) with the admins over this, though I'm not really clear on what you've been flagging 'inappropriately' or why. If it's some kind of mini-crusade or mammary for tat on your part, give it up. Your literate and relevant posts on the true evils are too good to lose if you get banned or leave. Even barring your other fine contributions, your evocative takes on erotica/porn are always fun, even if I sometimes disagree with them. I spent untold minutes looking for the crouching tiger/hidden pussy in Daz's Aiko promo after your comment on it. Let them have this one. Don't argue about the shape of the table when you can be planting a briefcase filled with explosives underneath it :-) FWIW, how much trouble is it to list the flags set on a post? "Multiple Advisories" is too vague. Someone may not want to see nudity but be OK with "language," etc. All you need is to list whichever of three letters, NVL apply. Hey, it works for TV.

lmckenzie, I will raise the issue of the "multiple advisories" thing to the programmers, thank you. (I too find it less than useful when accessing from the internet cafe at work... my co-workers aren't going to be hanging over my shoulders looking for rude language, but they are sure to spot a pair of boobs at 20 yards!)

Quote - lmckenzie, I will raise the issue of the "multiple advisories" thing to the programmers, thank you. (I too find it less than useful when accessing from the internet cafe at work... my co-workers aren't going to be hanging over my shoulders looking for rude language, but they are sure to spot a pair of boobs at 20 yards!)

Thanks Karen, same here. One of the few advantages of the old forum was that you could see when someone had set the nudity flag, yet hadn't posted an image; a plain indication of attention seeking. ;) - and please associate me with the rest of lmckenzie's comments too. - - - - - -

"I still miss my ex-husband, but my aim is improving." Falls about laughing

It would be clearer if the flag was called "swearing" rather than "language". I believe in using words to mean what they mean, and "language" means something different from what is intended here. That's language for you.

Quote - lmckenzie, I will raise the issue of the "multiple advisories" thing to the programmers, thank you. (I too find it less than useful when accessing from the internet cafe at work... my co-workers aren't going to be hanging over my shoulders looking for rude language, but they are sure to spot a pair of boobs at 20 yards!)

Yeah, it makes little sense to hover over the "details" link for the flag only to see an empty white box. What's up with that? Something else that will get fixed on someday in the far future?

Actually, I find the supposed need for a "violence" flag rather puzzling.

I can accept the need for a nudity flag for the benefit of those people so modest they put on a blindfold before taking a shower.

And I can understand the desire for a "swearing" flag for those people that are sensitive to the use of swear words. I myself, of course, don't know any swear words. I'm as pure as the day is long, as the Inuit said at Christmas.

But is there really anyone who is afraid to see a forum post about how to pose Posette to beat Dork about the head with a baseball bat? Considering the number of car-bombs, murders, crashes, torturings etc that happen every day this person must never buy a newspaper.

I dunno, I find violence a lot more upsetting than nudity. I'd rather see a pair of boobs or a willy than someone spouting blood...

Yeah, it makes little sense to hover over the "details" link for the flag only to see an empty white box. What's up with that? Something else that will get fixed on someday in the far future?

Tainted_Heart, are you using a custom CSS? Sounds like you're getting white-on-white text.

The "Violence" tag is a sop to those of us who find pictures of lopped limbs more obscene than naked children. Obviously, from the observation about "Off with their heads," the flag is not monitored or enforced. It hasn't even been thought through. What matters is to avoid offending the pathological prudes who shudder at the thought of naked children but enjoy watching them get the beatings they deserve.

The Language flag is ludicrous, as its name implies. The first time I saw it, I flagged it immediately because sure enough, everyone in the thread was using language!!! That is not a frivolous response. I take language very seriously. The notion that we all, internationally, have some sort of reliable instinct for what are offensive words (and what contexts make them offensive) is, in a word, bullshit.  I worked in the translation business for years, and many of my favorite language stories come from the wonderful tangents there, like the poor sales guy of the religion that must not be named who nearly fainted when a lovely visiting British client turned to him, alone in his office, and said, "Have you a rubber?"

Bess Truman taught her farmer husband to say "manure" when talking to reporters. They were offended by "manure." Oh well. My mother once slapped me for saying "Baloney!" to another boy, because she KNEW WHAT I MEANT. Ironically, I didn't know what I "meant" until a few years later. DH Lawrence spent an entire novel trying to liberate the word "fuck," and all he accomplished was to make the hatred in the word more socially acceptable.

My mother became hysterical, in 1966, when I said, at the table, that I got screwed on a test. Is "screw" Language? I had a customer who demanded that we change the French word "tampon" to "buffer" in her documents, and it did no good to point out that in French, Kotex is not a "tampon," which is a French word for a kind of paper, borrowed by the French computer industry to avoid having to use the Anglo-Saxon word "buffer" (and the French hate borrowing from English, as their computer vocabulary will tell you). Of course, it was also borrowed from French (tampon, that is) by Americans to give "rag" some panache. And "rag," which used to be the literal word for "tampons," became insulting.

I can revile people and offend them quite adequately without resorting to the forbidden seven. I presume that will not require the "Language" flag. My own practice is to always flag "language," on the assumption that any post I make will offend someone. And if the post is passionate, I flag "violence" to warn people that it might be too rough for them. Though I've never actually done anything as infantile and testosterone-addled as threatening anyone. "Nudity" I flag if I see faces in the avatars. They are, many of them, naked. Likewise animals.

When you do stuff like that, it renders having the flags in the first place useless.
This is not true. I use them differently than you want. I'm tempted to say, "Suck it up," but I suppose that would be offensive because it would be taken to mean oral sex when in fact it means "Pull in your gut and move on." (See James Jones, From Here to Eternity or George C Scott, Patton.) But "offense" is in the eye and ear and dirty mind of the beholder, so there I am, offensive again.

What I do simply means that people coming to find 'language, nudity, or violence' will be puzzled (and why not needle them? Perhaps you should also "warn" people who construct their thumbnails to give a false impression of the amount of nudity in a picture. Like it or not, they are doing exactly the same thing. But golly, wouldn't we look silly, reprimanding people for not enough sex in their pictures...). And it means that people who shun these things will not visit the thread -- this is tragic? The real offense, as is usual with authoritarian communities, is not the effect of the crime, it's the cojones to commit it. My gallery warning was issued because I pissed off a pet vendor. I got this one for disobedience; the offense is just a detail.

And lcm, thanks for the kind words. But there is no point in my modulating anything. This is, after all, Wonderland, where words mean what the authorities mean, the rules are do what we say whether we said it or not, and when it's time for me to go, "Why?" will be irrelevant. When I got the first warning, I asked why and got a bunch of platitude "understanding how upset" I was. It did no good to point out that I wasn't "upset," I just wanted answers. It did no good because none of the admins care what I think or why I think it. Or even, in their heart of hearts, believe I think it. And it's not personal. Welcome to Wonderland.

Mick

Mick,

It's now been explained to you both privately and publicly, on several ocassions, what we expect from tag usage.

Your continuing discourtesy to other users who rely on these flags is not acceptable.

I cannot honestly believe that you have no idea what words other users may find objectionable or are unable/unwilling to use your own judgement, preferring instead for site admin to hand down a list of words?? Is this really what you want? Isn't it better to use some human judgement case-by-case than enforce some arbitrary ruling? But anyway, here's a rough list of words that I would expect to see. So bear in mind this is UK-based, and I have a real reputation as a Sweary Mary.

Should always be tagged:
Fuck, cunt, shit, bastard
(Note: also includes any term which embraces one of these words, such as "motherfucker" or "shit-for-brains")

Maybe need tagging, depending on context:
Piss, bugger, crap, arse, bloody, bleeding, wank, toss, bollocks, dick, prick, tits, bitch
(Note:  when I say depending on context, consider the difference between "I've been pissing about in the material room all afternoon..." and "Hey buddy, you can just piss off!")

Hope this helps more than it offends :laugh:

aah so the correct term 'Bastard Sword' must be tagged?

When a person can't ask a legitimate question in a forum without being trolled by "Get Over It" posts and that person responds sarcastically back about "Canadians not knowing about American Truth in Advertising Laws" and the person who was originally trolled get's banned with the claim that their observation of Canadian lack of American Legal Knowledge is a racist personal attack, something is way too out of whack to take forums seriously anymore!

Don'tcha just love runon sentences?

It's the Poser forum, why do we have to have all these other nonsensical and adversarial discussions anyway? Need help with Poser? Ask a question. Have Advice about Poser? Give it!

All the rest of this noise is just that! Noise! It makes no sense and is just screaming lookit' me I'm here! I'm important! Gimme Gimme' I need attention! I've already pulled my galleries, blogs and if I could I'd pull all my posts as well.

Some of us are just fed up with getting kicked in the teeth for expecting honesty, integrity and fairness from this community. I reccommend long Nature Walks instead!

Well not being a native english speaker, could you please explain why crap mustn't necessarily be tagged while shit must?

And bastard? Why bastard? And yes I know what it means, but it's hardly a "rough" swear word. OTOH I don't think you can use pissing in anything but derogatory terms. But again, it may be language barrier.

"This is some good shit" - is that somehow worse than saying "This is a crappy picture?"

And no I'm not trying to kick up shit, I'm trying to understand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profanity

See? I told you producing lists was pointless!
Swearing is such a localised thing that it becomes nonsensical!
I tried to keep my "must be tagged" list short on purpose, so now I'm going to consider "bastard" to be moved to the "maybe" list since it certainly can be used as a technical term which I completely forgot about!

For the curious non-English speakers...
"Crap" has become pretty much on a level with "poo", as opposed to "shit".
"Piss" is used in so many other phrases ("It's pissing down [raining]", "I'm really pissed off with him", "Let's go and get pissed!") that it's effectively become level with "pee".
There are divisions within England as well - in the South, we would use "bastard" quite frequently, but held "bugger" and "crap" as more serious swears, whereas here in the North, I've had to get used to "bastard" being a killing insult, but buggering about with crap all day is quite acceptable, LOL. Plus, in the South we all swear like mad fuckers, so when I first moved here I had people giving me funny looks until I learned to rein my mouth in... a little!

:laugh:

I find that carefully limiting use of profanity improves it's effectiveness. The kids sound like an episode of the Sopranos..;) so when I let fly, conversation stops..;)

just my honest opinion here, okay?

this thread makes about as much sense as the one that discussed why renderosity will not allow pics of under aged children on their site.

if you feel more comfortable expressing yourself by the use of foul language, then they ask you to place a flag on your message. but not being down with that you decide, "i'll dick with them, yeah! then let's see what they will do!" well, what they did is express themselves in a clear and forthright manner.

if i want to tell someone to, "fuck the bloody piss of cunt!" then i have to place a flag on my message. that's easy enough, eh hosebag?

or i could possible say the same thing in a professional manner, how about..."the content of your message is inane and your attempt at clarity is abysmal." either way the message is clear, don't you think?

if you were honestly confused as to "how and when" to use the flag then there are other ways to obtain that information other than a flameout thread like this one. cave drawings perhaps?

basically their viewpoint (from what i'm reading) is..."yeah, those are the rules. if you don't like them, then there are a gazillion other sites that will...help yourself."

but again, that's just my interpatation from reading all of this.

Or even, in their heart of hearts, believe I think it.
I cannot honestly believe....
I rest my flippin' case. Dang! What great poopoo!

... fed up with getting kicked in the teeth for expecting honesty,
integrity and fairness from this community.
Fortunately, they are virtual kicks, not as effective as sticks and bones. (But boy oh boy, I hope BH doesn't find out I'm coming to Canada!!! Oh Nelly would that give him a banana! Not that any of us "condone" "violence".)

I gave up expecting honesty, integrity, and fairness from the Poser community about the time they mobbed Steve Cooper and put CL out of business. As artists, they can be appealing; as technicans, they can be awesome. As individuals, some of them are fun; as a community, it has the appeal of rabid sheep.

What I expect is that any attempt to drag this site into the adult world of this century will be met with blustering factoids (like how all people feel about "piss" this week; ALL my neighbors would dismiss that one with "Must be British or something") and a chorus of "If you don't like it, go away!" Always nice to see one's expectations fulfilled. And for the record, I didn't "dick" with anybody or fail to flag use of "the big seven" (whatever they are). I got nailed for using the flags when I "shouldn't" because I [supposedly] know perfectly well when to use them!!! It's a bit like getting fined for NOT spitting on the sidewalk. Cool beans, eh? They can get you either way.

Mick? What do you actually want?

Also, can I ask a personal question? How old are you?

OK Mick. As the Duke taught us, 'A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.'

Attached Link: Samuel Taylor Coleridge

Dear Mickma;

I've always respected your opinion, even when I didn't always agree with it.  Also, your site is one of my favorites.  I just love your pastiche of Jean-Léon Gérôme**’**s, 'The Poser (Slave) Market,' and think it's a real pity that you felt compelled to remove it from here (I myself have downloaded it and saved it to my HD, lest it be lost forever).  I also enjoyed your essay on Dan Brown’s 'The Da Vinci Code,’ especially in light of some National Geographic documentaries on the same subject.

However, in this thread you've now left me completely confused.  Who the heck is Steve Cooper?  I thought that Curious Labs was still a viable company.  I thought that the danger from sick sheep was anthrax, not hydrophobia.

The rest of the post makes about as much sense as the writings of Coleridge (The Rime of the Ancient Mariner).  I've tried to follow this post, and to maintain an even judgment of its pros and cons, but so many allusions to unknown issues just leaves my head spinning.  If allusions must be included in your arguments, then at LEAST give us an idea of what they are in reference to; otherwise, you've lost your argument, simply because you've lost your audience.

I remain, very respectfully yours,
David P. Hoadley

Quote - Well not being a native english speaker, could you please explain why crap mustn't necessarily be tagged while shit must?

And bastard? Why bastard? And yes I know what it means, but it's hardly a "rough" swear word. OTOH I don't think you can use pissing in anything but derogatory terms. But again, it may be language barrier.

"This is some good shit" - is that somehow worse than saying "This is a crappy picture?"

And no I'm not trying to kick up shit, I'm trying to understand.

Why is turd allowed to be said on TV but shit will get you a big fine by the FCC?
Why is son of a bitch allowed but mother fucker will get you a big fine by the FCC?
Why is ass allowed but pussy will get you a big fine by the FCC?
What is so pure about saying boobs and so evil about saying tits?

And lets not even get into why people freaked out over Janet Jackson's
nipple during a game where grown mean beat the hell out of each other
over a funny shaped ball.

Quote - I had a customer who demanded that we change the French word "tampon" to "buffer" in her documents, and it did no good to point out that in French, Kotex is not a "tampon," which is a French word for a kind of paper, borrowed by the French computer industry to avoid having to use the Anglo-Saxon word "buffer" (and the French hate borrowing from English, as their computer vocabulary will tell you). Of course, it was also borrowed from French (tampon, that is) by Americans to give "rag" some panache. And "rag," which used to be the literal word for "tampons," became insulting.

It is also a variant (usually American, and not in current use) for "tampion", the technical term for a plug or cover used on a cannon or gun muzzle to protect it from debris and weather.

Mick, you really gave me some good laughs. I love to play with language, and although I'm not a native English speaker, I do have the proverbial dirty mind (by the way, is that a British invention?) and your words often put the most improbable images in my mind.

And now for something completely different: a serious question about the use of the nudity and violence tags: should a forum post be flagged for nudity and/or violence if it contains a link to an image with nudity and/or violence? Even if the post does not contain violent language (nude language doesn't exist, AFAIK)?

I would play on the safe side and flag it as so svdl..and seeing as how it would be a link, you could put somewhere that the linked image contains nudity/violence..that way nobody can come into a thread, see no nude image, and click a link and then yell about seeing nudity

Now the link thing is actually interesting because heaven knows if you follow links at links from the link to my homepage, you WILL end up somewhere with nekkid people doing.. er.. stuff.

My homepage as such does not contain porn, but there ARE links from it that will eventually lead you to it. After a suitable warning and in some cases the need to actually sign up somewhere...

So should all my posts be flagged with nudity just in case someone decides to click on a link to a link to a link?

dang! I've been to yer site a few times, trekkie, but I missed the nudity :crying: hopefully some nice ones of capt. kirk and hugh jackman or even brad pitt :lol: p.s. when arguing or yelling at each other, people use profanity as a means of intimidation, and it means they're trying to work up the courage to strike or injure their opponents. we see the same thing in other animals - loud or conspicuous displays as a precursor to actual violence. it's been pretty well documented in branches of science called ethology and psychology.

Tai Kwan Leap! Aaaeeeiiiiaaa! Boot To The Head! SMACK!

Quote - Tai Kwan Leap! Aaaeeeiiiiaaa! Boot To The Head! SMACK!

You forgot to check the 'Violence' tag Mizrael, shame on you.  And you've always been such a GOOD little boy, who's hardly ever caused ANY trouble, truly  this lapse is a bitter disappointment.
Repent now, before it's too late!
Yours truly,
David P. Hoadley

Yeah... actually I don't think it's necessary to tag links for violence and nudity, but it would be courteous to mention it in the text of your post, if it's not obvious from what you've said.

And I second MissNancy, I want a Hugh Jackman nude, hehe

Now there's a first! I don't think I've EVER flagged a single one of my messages... ever.

Ahhh you have to attach a picture for the nudity flag to work! Here ya go!

Quote - My homepage as such does not contain porn, but there ARE links from it that will eventually lead you to it.

Quote - So should all my posts be flagged with nudity just in case someone decides to click on a link to a link to a link?

Any link on Rendo's servers that is a direct link to age restricted content {ex: Porn} of course is not allowed, but if you have a link posted here that leads to your site, and your site does not  directly contain age restricted content  then you are fine {that is of course my thinking, might want to ask Karen about that one}..Rendo is not responsible for members following links on other sites, but are responsible for what is posted here

@Miz and DP, those advisory flags for what you just posted are what we are talking about....clearly there is no nudity in the image posted by Miz..and altho Im not sure about the words 'boot to the head' would or would not require a violence tag, but certainly not a language tag....
This is what we are referring to when we ask members not to use the advisory tags inappropriately..it renders the whole system useless.

As someone who doesn't speak English on daily basis, I'd like to ask if such words as "damn" or "dammit" should be tagged ? Not that I expect using them anytime soon, but, as Trekkie noticed, what we know about using and meaning of many words (we = people for whom English is not native language) may heavily differ from what you think about it.