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Subject: E-Frontier Announces Poser 7!
Thanks for the update.
I've had Poser 6 for less than a year and see no reason to upgrade to a newer version. There would have to be some pretty spectacular changes for me to want to upgrade. I was totally happy with Poser 5 but discovered the nifty ability the Poser 6 cloth room had that Poser 5's didn't...the ability to work with the cornforming Morphing Fantasy Dress. All of the other bells and whistles weren't enough to entice me into upgrading a program that I had been using for less than 2 years... seriously for about 18 months.
I'll be sitting on the sidelines watching how it all unfolds and what others who buy it have to say about it after having tried it out.
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
I just got my Poser 6 on September 25th.... Less than a month ago... why wouldn't they offer a little discount on top of the $129.99 upgrade for people like me.....? You know...
If you bought P6:
- less than a month free upgrade
- 5 weeks max... 30% off
- 6 to 8 weeks 20% off
- 9 to 12 weeks 10% off
I have not even gotten a chance to explore it halfway.... I just learned to link the runtimes..
Oh well I can dream can I?
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I'm in no rush I want to see what this program is all about. As usual I'll let the lab rats...er...other folks experiment with it first then read about it here. I too am of the same thinking I've only haf P6 a few months now and unless this P7 has some bang up performance boosts I ain't in no rush. There is just not enough intel for me to make a rush purchase.
I think they are having a race..... And they are off...
Bryce is coming to 6 ,,,,,, poser @ 6 Vue @6 ... Poser now is coming up fast to 7.... Bryce is skipping 7 going to 8;;;;;;
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Quote - I just got my Poser 6 on September 25th.... Less than a month ago... why wouldn't they offer a little discount on top of the $129.99 upgrade for people like me.....? You know...
If you bought P6:
- less than a month free upgrade
- 5 weeks max... 30% off
- 6 to 8 weeks 20% off
- 9 to 12 weeks 10% off
I have not even gotten a chance to explore it halfway.... I just learned to link the runtimes..
Oh well I can dream can I?
Last year they gave extra deals to people who had purchased Poser 5 within a period of 4 or 5 months of the release of Poser 6. There was a thread about it back then, but I haven't looked for it. So if you just recently got Poser 6, contact e-Frontier and tell them and they'll likely put those funds towards the purchase of Poser 7 instead... which is what I think they did for those last year and Poser 6.
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
Quote - I think they are having a race..... And they are off...
Bryce is coming to 6 ,,,,,, poser @ 6 Vue @6 ... Poser now is coming up fast to 7.... Bryce is skipping 7 going to 8;;;;;;
And the wqinner is....... Lightwave 9 (came out a couple months ago) :lol:
Jeff
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I'm a bit suspicious....why aren't the improvements more widely advertised? They're offering 2 free figures, free membership etc with the $79 which doesn't entice me because new figures usually means purchasing new mats and clothes etc. Posers upgrade notification unfortunately came after finding out that the price for Xtivity ..a flash authoring program I bought last year for $200US has been dropped to $79 bucks.. Luckily I took advantage of a special discount and didn't pay the full amount of $399.00..but they used to have a forum (since deleted) and lots of people did pay $399 so I'm not as badly off as some. I'm off to lick my wounds until I feel like forking out any more money for software :-/
I'm with JackieD, sorta
... why promote all the "free stuff" that you're getting with the newest version instead of pointing out how much better than P6 it is?
There are enough things that could be changed (a number of the interface elements for example) that starting off on day 1 dangling carrots (eg. freebies) makes me wonder ...
They're promising to reveal more details later: classic press campaign teaser stuff. They're almost advertising it in the style of a computer game. There's features I'd like to see, but I'm in no hurry to replace Poser 6. And with new versions of Windows looming, and 64-bit processors, and multiple cores, leading with free content seems a little thin. It's not horribly expensive as an upgrade, but until I know what sort of hardware it needs or can take advantage of (not the usually optimistic box-cover minimums), I'm going to wait. This computer is getting old. It could do more good to spend the money on replacing the hardware, but will the strategy that suits P6 be appropriate for P7?
Now if it came with a script of some sort that could make all my V3 and M3 stuff fit the new figures without any issues then I could be tempted!
I hardly ever use Judy, Don, James, Jessie or the Koji character I got free on a mag so there would have to be something to blow me away about these new figures for them to be a purchasing decision, something like that script I mentioned above! [Yes I know about ww].
The upgrade works out at about £72 for me at todays exchange rate + VAT! so about £85, too much if I want V6I as well!
Injustice will be avenged.
Cofiwch Dryweryn.
Well, I'm going to do what I did with 5 and 6: first wait to get excited about it until after they release the complete feature list, then wait until the pre-order guys get theirs and see what they say about it in this forum, and then look at the P7 renders that come up in the galleries, and wait till some of the bugs are ironed out,and THEN I'll think about getting it.
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I would like to know who rigged the new figure. The kids are suppose to be redone too. Unfortunately we have seen what the next generation of figure development means. Doesn't leave a good taste in ones mouth.
But, eF does a good job on software. Wouldn't this be the first real version by eF? P6 was pretty much done before eF got thier hands on it.
I bought P7, I lucked out with the timing. I have all my updates payed for, still waiting for delivery on a couple. Vue6I and Silo2. So even if the new figures are SNAFU as the G2's and originals, the app itself should be better. Also, Vue6 was delayed. You think this might be why? Set up for P7 instead of P6? Let's not forget Shade may have a part in this too.
Oh well. I've had P6 from the start and never had the problems as some, so I have taken a chance on P7. It's the same story every upgrade. Get it now or wait and get it later. Either way you end up going for it.
I think that unless there are any major additions to the program itself, then I will wait to see what Poser 8 will be like before I decide to upgrade again. It may have just been the picture that I saw, but for a "realistic" character, Syney appears to be pretty stylized. I thought that after the "face that only a mother could love" that was Judy in Poser 5, that Jessi was a big improvement and so was Miki. Perhaps they realise that most people are more likely to buy the new Daz V4 and M4 figures. The other reason, perhaps that they make more money keeping the good figures as something that you have to buy in addition to the main program. If they bundled the G2 figures in with Poser 7, then it could swing it for the people who have not already bought them. Too many new programs all coming out at the same time. They will have to stand out in some way to get me to buy them when they are released.
Daz Studio 4.8 and 4.9beta, Blender 2.78, Sketchup, Poser Pro 2014 Game Dev SR5 on Windows 8 Pro x64. Poser Display Units are inches
P6 works quite well for me. Complex scenes are rendered in Carrara, Cinema 4D or Vue 5 (if that works). I use Poser mainly for setting up scenes, so I would like to see a well defined export format or the possibility to plug-in new applications (like Carrara or Cinema 4D do support). Stability and 64bit support would be nice too. Honestly I don't need a new set of Poser figures, If they do not support a new rigging system.
If Poser 7 improves the boning system I wonder what can be used for Victoria 4. Do we really need Poser 7? Let's see the other 6 reasons first...
I ordered my copy. Hoping for more details, but I know I will get it, so why wait... Anyway, to stay in business, e-frontier needs to bring in money. If you want Poser to continue improving, buy their software.
Peggy
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I pre ordered Poser 6, and got burned. What I got was a program that barely worked. Im sure that a lot of people here remember that. First edition of Poser 5 was about the same. I dont think that Ill be the first kid on my block to have to have the new toy this time around. Ill wait for SR1 and maybe even SR2 before I buy it. By the the price will be back down to the pre order price and you should get a program that actually works right.
Today with all the competition in the software business, new releases are expected to have some major new features. This being said I hope E-Frontier has done their homework and plans to release some new innovations in Poser 7. At the very least IMO there should be a lot of improvements to simplify and make figure creation and animation simpler and more intuitive. Sounds like Poser 7 has a lot of new content, but little in the way of new in the application and GUI. I would be more interested in E-Frontier improving the GUI and simplifying things like the Material Room. I also am hoping Poser 7 has a new and innovative way to rig characters as well as new methods to easily import and create clothing. IMO Poser needs to totally overhaul the GUI and make parts of Poser simpler. I still don't have a clue how to use the material room or to change textures etc. I tried to learn this but was overwhelmed. I hope to tackle it again but it was difficult to understand the first time. Unless there's some new and exciting features I think I will pass on Poser 7. A lot of new content is not enough for me to upgrade.
Quote - Unless there's some new and exciting features I think I will pass on Poser 7. A lot of new content is not enough for me to upgrade.
Nor me; but it will be for a lot of users. Like you, I'm principally hoping for some major improvements in functionality, workflow and the GUI. Others, though, will be taken with the opportunities provided by new figures, and in a mainly hobbyist user-base, the more variety the better.
I'm guessing that there'll be announcements both about the program and what comes with it, and they'll appear in the next six stages.
Quote - This offer will be available only during the preorder period and will expire when Poser 7 ships. The key new features of Poser 7 will be individually introduced with e frontier’s, “7 Reasons to Get Poser 7” campaign. The campaign starts on October 12, 2006
Laslo Vespremi,
Director of Strategic Marketing
Well, of all the marketing strategies, this must be one of the most ***pid.
If I could read the list of new features and improvements, I would have probably preordered today.
Of course, I will not preorder blind - and for sure these games don't catch me - all the opposite actually: they always make me suspect that they can be a trick to disguise the actual lack of interesting features. Maybe that won't be the case,but when it comes to my money, I still prefer things that are clear and bright to those left in the dark.
Sent to e-frontier marketing:
*Why on earth would you treat customers like this:
Quote - "
This offer will be available only during the preorder *period and will expire when Poser 7 ships. The key new features of Poser 7 will be individually introduced with e frontier’s, “7 Reasons to Get Poser 7” campaign. The campaign starts on October 12, 2006
*Laslo Vespremi
Director of Strategic Marketing"
Do you not think that we would purchase Poser 7 if we were actually given the chance to see what the changes are up front? Do you think that by making some sort of game show out of releasing the product information that we, your customers, will think it's just sooo cool that we'll buy it for that?*
I've read numerous posts in forums around the web from people who feel similarly to myself. We won't be buying Poser 7 until we know what our hard earned money is going for. By playing this game trickling out information peacemeal e-Frontier is doing nothing but hurting its reputation with established customers and delaying any profits that it might be making.
well im not sure if im gonna be glad with my pre-order of Poser7, after all reason number 1 to buy it is content?????? hmmmm and there was me thinking something big....lol...
but if it has something good and its only £71 im in... and i never had that much trouble with P5 or P6.......
Getting old and still making "art" without soiling myself, now that's success.
Well, of all the marketing strategies, this must be one of the most ***pid.
I think I would agree, but for slightly different reasons. It doesn't seem to me (no expert in marketing, BTW) that getting people hooked by letting one really good feature after another become public over a period of time is a bad marketing tactic. It could work very well.
The problem is though that to keep potential purchasers interested, you have to make each new feature more exciting than the last one, or it all goes flat very quickly. EF have started this off pretty well, because anything which follows feature #1 - the new figures and content - almost has to be more exciting. The problem is that doing it this way means that you start off the campaign with your least interesting feature, which leads the general sense of disappointment we've seen here. It seems clear that this is a silly thing to do, which tends to give the impression that the first feature to be made public can't be the least interesting one... and so what is yet to come may be even less exciting. Catch-22.
As you say, a pretty daft strategy overall.
Steve
for those hoping for a 64 bit edition, i can't see it happening. in the specs it doesn't say req...32 bit...recommended 64 bit. though it does say duo core for mac users...mmm wonder why not for window users.
billy
ps in my last post in this thread i said you could sell one of your p5 's to offset the cost of p7 when i mean't a version of p6 even if you only get 50 dollars for it it would make a difference to the cost you pay for the p7 which you get automatically.
People already seem to be dubious when only 1 of the seven 'reasons' to buy Poser 7 has been released. OK, leading with new content as a reason seems a little weak, but then having decided on this strategy of 'advertising' I wouldn't release the big details first, rather build up to them. There are 6 more reasons to come. I will wait and see what they are before passing judgement and deciding whether to upgrade.
I would hope to see
Improvements to the hair and cloth animation
Proper 64 bit and multi-core support
Proper joint design and improved rigging constraints
Improved magnets/morph control
(goes without saying existing bugs/problems solved)
I would like to see
Dynamics (think endorphin)
A particle engine
Much improved renderer (though at the moment I tend to use Vue5)
With '6' more reasons to come, it's going to be wait and see for the time being
Well, I did preorder a copy. For these reasons:
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It's much cheaper this way.
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I get a Passport membership for half a year
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I get a free content worth $70 - and I may actually use some of these props in my comics.
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The SR will come out eventually and I don't need to install Poser7 right away, but rather wait the first hype.
Plus, I always like to keep my hand on Poser technology, I'm actually using the Material Room and IBL light and getting the most out of my Poser6. It's time to learn something new.
Quote - ...though it does say duo core for mac users...mmm wonder why not for window users.
Probably is multithreaded then, it would seem silly to write a multi-treaded version of the application for Mac and then a single-threaded version for PC when both platforms supports the same CPU:s.
Anyway... about the 64-bit support, if available they probably would want to save that for one of their "reasons". I really wish they wouldn't play these games and just release all the info up front.
I for one didn't buy P7 for the content, I don't have any faith in thier figures working right and it is to much of a bother for them to fix the figures after the release. I bought now to get the upgrade out of the way. Some of us need to beta test it for the rest of you.
As for the marketing. I have no use for it, just BS if you ask me. I do find it kind of funny how the pitchforks and torches come out when eF does this and yet everyone thinks it's fun when Daz does it.
I can't blame anyone for not buying into P7 yet without all the facts but most of you will shell out the money sooner or later. It's a fact, we are poser addicts. That is probably why we complain so much bcause deep down, we know this as true.
The devil made me buy it.
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Attached Link: News Release
**e frontier Announces Poser 7**Special Edition Preorder Promotion Kicks Off New Version
of 3D Figure Design and Animation Software
Scotts Valley, Calif., October 12, 2006 - e frontier today announced the anticipated release of the new English version of Poser, the company’s popular 3D figure design and animation software. Poser 7 will include many new features, new content and improvements to its architecture. Poser was first introduced in 1995 and is used by graphic artists, illustrators, hobbyists and animators worldwide.
The launch of Poser 7 begins with a limited time offer of the Poser 7 Special Edition that includes an exclusive “High Stakes Content Pack” of Secret agent and casino themed Poser content worth $79.99. This offer will be available only during the preorder period and will expire when Poser 7 ships. The key new features of Poser 7 will be individually introduced with e frontier’s, “7 Reasons to Get Poser 7” campaign. The campaign starts on October 12, 2006 and can be viewed at www.e-frontier.com/go/Poser_7.
The release of Poser 7 will introduce two, new realistic 3D Poser figures, “Sydney” and “Simon”. Poser 7 Special Edition will feature exclusive content of high fashion formal clothing for the new figures, a complete casino scene with props, a sports car and many extras that are essential for secret agents working a casino. In addition, Poser 7 Special Edition will include a $10.00 coupon redeemable at ContentParadise.com plus a free, six month Passport Membership to Content Paradise valued at $49.99. Content Paradise is e frontier’s content marketplace offering more than 20,000 3D models, audio, books and software from some of the top content creators and artists from around the world. The Passport Membership includes member discounts on 3D content, weekly “Freebies”, exclusive bonus content, monthly rewards and community forums.
Uli Klumpp, Director of Product Development at e frontier and long-time Poser Product Manager said, “Compared to all previous versions, this release is the most significant one to date. Poser 7 will have a powerful combination of new content, new features and improvements that modernizes and invigorates its foundation. We have also added many features that our long time customers have requested. The bottom line is that both the Poser professional and the casual enthusiast will have more robust and more powerful 3D figure design and animation software. Poser 7 will make their creative workflow more enjoyable.”
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Pricing and Availability:
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Poser 7 Special Edition for Windows and Macintosh English versions will be available direct from e frontier’s online stores during the limited preorder promotional period only. Upgrades from previous versions of Poser to Poser 7 Special Edition will be $129.99 (USD). New users may order Poser 7 Special Edition for $249.99 (USD). Customers who upgrade or order new versions of Poser 6 between October 12, 2006 and the official Poser 7 launch date will receive a free electronic download upgrade to Poser 7 Special Edition.
Preorders of Poser 7 Special Edition are available at e frontier’s web site,
www.e-frontier.com/go/preorder_Poser_7 and at Content Paradise www.contentparadise.com/Poser_7.
After the preorder period, Poser 7 for Windows and Macintosh will be available from e frontier and its partners worldwide for an estimated street price of $249.99 (USD). Upgrades will be available for $129.99 (USD).
Contact information:
Daryl Wise, PR Manager
daryl@e-frontier.com
Laslo Vespremi,
Director of Strategic Marketing
laslo@e-frontier.com
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About e frontier America, Inc.
e frontier, Inc., and its subsidiary companies publish and distribute computer graphics software for digital artists and hobbyists worldwide, including Poser, Shade, Amapi Pro, Manga Studio, Anime Studio and MotionArtist, and produce quality computer graphic content and software-related books and magazines. The company is headquartered in Scotts Valley, California and is a fully owned subsidiary of e frontier, Inc. based in Tokyo, Japan.
For more information, go to www.e-frontier.com.
e frontier and the e frontier logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of e frontier. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners.
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