I cannot recall seeing any credits for the millennium figures.  A quick look through DAZ didn't provide any info. Have the people behind those figures ever been credited?

Umm - the team at DAZ are the ones who created the Millennium figures.  Since they're employed by DAZ they don't get individual credit.

ain't that a bummer...

I know when you are employed to a company the company gets the credit.

Too bad that they didn't take a basic course in Urology and gynecology.  Maybe then we wouldn't have been inundated with their plethora of sexless females and drones.
David P. Hoadley

Y'know, Dphoadley, that has absolutly nothing at ALL to do with the topic. Don't you remember what yer Momma said?  "If you can''t say something nice, don't say anything at all."

On topic though, I'm just guessing but I'd guess BL Render (Bloodsong) is the mesh author, since all the variosu Mill figures are named something like BlFreak.obj., BlMillDragon.obj, ect.

And then she might hand that over to Daz's developement team for morph addition an drigging, if she doesn't do the rigging herself.

anton k. did the work on V1/2 IIRC. that's one of the reasons he was always able to spot V1/2 knock-offs posted as "new figures" here and at other sites.

I remember seeing a couple of figures (male &  female) by anton that were never released and they had the upper part of the scalp missing for polygons economy...
Those 2 looked much better then the original Vicky - Mike and I believe those were made after the mil figures first presentation...

Quote - Y'know, Dphoadley, that has absolutly nothing at ALL to do with the topic. Don't you remember what yer Momma said?  "If you can''t say something nice, don't say anything at all."

 

Amen to that brother!!!

My 'Mama' taught me that the right to speak my mind is central to the preservation of any democracy.
David P. Hoadley

Ok! I found some threads!
It's like looking back on poser history!!! :biggrin:
Anton has made P4Replacement Head at 2000... That man was always in the front line!!!

(I hope I'm still on topic :blink: )

http://market.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=166279

http://market.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=169086

Quote - My 'Mama' taught me that the right to speak my mind is central to the preservation of any democracy.
David P. Hoadley

So even if your comments are non topical you MUST infuse your political agenda in every thread  unlucky enough to be targetted by your malevolent glare?

I'm amazed you can survive embracing the amount of hatred you seem to have. It's consuming you!

Gareee, I believe bl in the model name refers to it being a completed model whose blend-zones are finished, hence the bl. If I recall correctly, that was from someone at DAZ in something I read on the 'net once.

Hmmm interesting. I always though BL render must be doing SOMETHING still since she's still active in the community.

BL is indeed short of BLendzones. It has been stated several times.

Anton did V3. Not sure about the previous versions but I know he did V3. I don't know if he modeled all of her, but he did the face morphs at least, and he was at leat at some time credited as her creator . He also did (among other things) the House Mouse and the Mill. Cat L

So in a way he did all the mill3 figures since they're more or less just V3 morphs :o)

How the heck someone got Freak from V3 is just beyond me! I wanna know who worked that mojo!

with evil incantations and many sacrifices to the poser gods....the same way every thing is done :D

Damned! I must be forgetting some evil incantations.. ;)

his name is:

Dorkamus Alonzo Zipperhead :tt2:

Chris Creek modelled V1-3.

Yes, "bl" stands for Blend Zones; it means the object is ready to be rigged.

Anton did some face morphs for V3, and some breed morphs for the Mil Cat.

does anyone have photos of Chris Creek, I would love to see them. And whom is Anton?

Anton Kinsel is one of the best/worst things in the poser community.

He's best, because of his developement and furthering of poser tech.

He's worst because of his constant grandstanding, and wildly swinging ego and temperment.

He's currently on like his 3rd or 4th tantrum-like "I'm leavin this damned community and to hell with you guys" departure.

Come to think about it, it's about time for him to resurface again.. LOL!

Attached Link: http://www.daz3d.com/information/index.php?page=bios

One of the things I like best about Poser, next to the friendly user interface, is the mutability of the character models. While it's true the Daz figures come without detailed genitalia, that's a feature that can be adjusted with a few mouse clicks. Arduino's Perfect G and Magic G addons are dirt cheap and offer mature users the alternative of creating anatomically detailed figures for their work.  I think that's a perfect way to handle the situation, since it allows the parents of younger enthusiasts to use the program without worrying about content age suitability.

All in all, I think DAZ have done a wonderful job with their creations, and look forward to what the future holds.

I'm suprised that the DAZ bios don't credit Chris with being the creator of the Victoria meshes. I was figuring it might be one of the modelers further down the management chain.

Being the gentleman he is, mallenlane didn't give himself the credit he deserves for his extraordinary work on the David mesh.  :-)

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Mr. Creek was also the main (sole?) designer of Michael 3. Members may enjoy checking out Chris Creek's ArtZone gallery. He's a very, very fine watercolorist in addition to his other creative skills.

Quote - Don't you remember what yer Momma said?  "If you can''t say something nice, don't say anything at all."

What did yours have to say about attacking the character of those who aren't present to defend themselves?  ;-)

Quote - Y'know, Dphoadley, that has absolutly nothing at ALL to do with the topic. Don't you remember what yer Momma said?  "If you can''t say something nice, don't say anything at all."

You know what I think is awesome about the two of you arguing here?? It starts out as a comment, then is *commented * that it is not at all part of the discussion - then turns into a discussion within a discussion, spiraling onward, not relating at all to the discussion ...

I wonder if we could toss that theory (not what you two are discussing, or in the manner you present it), into "Revolving Door" syndrom :laugh:

Darn, did I just do it, too? ... I think it's called irony now :lol:

On topic: I am glad you brought this topic up, because it makes me think of the artists who are involved on the Daz3D team, and I would like to read about them more - where they went to school (if so), what kind of people they are like -- really get to know the team bringing us these great products -- Without them, there really wouldn't be any great team.

^__^ Keep up the stellar work, Team Daz!

I wonder who Victoria 4's chief architect(s) is/are? I'm aware of the NDA that prohibits this-and-that about V4 being divulged pre-release, but is it okay to say who's actually building it?

To Chris Creek and the entire DAZ team -- thanks.

Quote - Anton Kinsel is one of the best/worst things in the poser community.

He's best, because of his developement and furthering of poser tech.

He's worst because of his constant grandstanding, and wildly swinging ego and temperment.

He's currently on like his 3rd or 4th tantrum-like "I'm leavin this damned community and to hell with you guys" departure.

Come to think about it, it's about time for him to resurface again.. LOL!

Awww!  Anton is great :)  He's a true artist and most artists are extra sensitive and tempermental.  It's a forgivable quirk :)

And there is no denying it, the man is brilliant when it comes to modeling!  I hope he does come back. The Poser community is so much less without him.

I sincerely hope that this doesn't turn into a pro/anti-Anton thread.  It's been done before.  Many times.

Anton Kisiel is incredibly talented. I have a lot of stuff he made for DAZ, and there are a lot of people using techniques he pioneered. But it looks like I'll never have a chance to see Apollo Maximus, no longer available because AK, it seems, is his own worst enemy. How many different marketing sites did he use, and walk away from with expressions of disgust? As for the near-silence from DAZ on the people involved with their main products, it's a little disappointing. Hollywood, that bastion of studio accountants and shabby dealing, does give folks credit. Maybe it's a cheap way of buying them off?

So I have Anton to thank for the DAZ House Mouse?  (Or is it a Poser House Mouse .... I'm new to this and very confused as to what is what.).

All I know is that I loooove that mouse!!  I just wish I could find some more clothing, props and poses for it.

Quote - > Quote - Don't you remember what yer Momma said?  "If you can''t say something nice, don't say anything at all."

What did yours have to say about attacking the character of those who aren't present to defend themselves?  ;-)

I didn't attack him. I gave him props for his excellent technical work. I merely stated facts posted over and over again by himself in the forums.

Please point out what I posted that was not actual historical information, and easily tracable in the various forums.

Under the circumstances, I believed that maturity demanded that I refrain from allowing  my emotion from overcoming reason.  I continue to do so.
Peace be with you, and may all and sundry have a good and properous week!
David P. Hoadley

Quote - I didn't attack him.

You characterized his character in a poor light in a manner that was more opinionated than "factual." I don't necessarily disagree with what you wrote, but without intending to look for a fight or anything so serious, noted the hypocritical irony of the fact that you so needlessly laid into dphoadly, invoking the mothers' adage "don's say anything at all" while being unpleasant on the interpersonal level yourself. dphoadly merely expressed a (common) opinion about the Millennium figures. There was no "hate," there were no politics. Your response to dphoadly's impersonal remark was barely shy of a personal attack, totally unprovoked, thus, who are you to say "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all." Do you imagine that you come across as "nice" when responding like that?

Quote - I gave him props for his excellent technical work. I merely stated facts posted over and over again by himself in the forums.

As your postings in this thread are my evidence, you went beyond facts stated by Anton himself into critical opinion. You completely mischaracterized dphoadly's opinion. > Quote - Please point out what I posted that was not actual historical information, and easily tracable in the various forums.

The subject is not Anton's behavioral history. My comment, which I'd hoped the winky emoticon would make clear was only intended as friendly ribbing, was simply "you might want to think twice about throwing bricks from glass houses."
 

I not one of the many poser community "political agenda" people always trying to stir trouble up. If Anton is colored in a poor light, it's by his own actions repeated many times over. He ended up with problems with every single major poser online store, (and some twice even!), all by his own doing.

You simply reap what you sow.

And I stand by my own posts and actions. I'm one of the people who's always there helping people out.

If others invested half of thier online "political agenda" post time just helping others out instead, this would be a MUCH better community to be part of.

I don't have any political agendas what so ever, and get along with everyone in the poser community.

I do however get tired of the constant reposting of the same BS rants be some people over and over again., regardless of topic, or location.

Can we go back to actually discussing the figures, and NOT Anton? 

Thanks.

Jeni

Works for me.. ;)

i wish he would do an apollo type female. Oh well.

PESD (Post Election Stress Disorder)? I doubt that the anatomy of the Zygote/Daz models had anything to do with the individual modeler's preferences. Love it or loathe it, I imagine it's the suit's call. Absent a change in ownership I doubt the policy will change. Discussion/commentary on said policy will no doubt continue as well - no need to turn it into a holy war.

I agree. I think it's a marketing decision to allow the figures to be able to be installed in as many locations as possible, like schools, and also to diffuse credit card company issues, and website filter issues. 

"Too bad that they didn't take a basic course in Urology and gynecology. "
Have you any problem with Barbie?

Barbie?  Which Millenium figure would she be?
David P. Hoadley
PS:  If she doesn't have genitals like P4WWG, Judy, and Neja, I'm sure I  wouldn't be interested.

All are incomplete, anus is something that wasn't invented, yet.
You needn't to have full geometric mesh details, unless you are a medicine fan. A good texture mapping would solve the problem. You cannot use a global mapping where the area in question from a texture of 4000 pixels only involve few pixels. You need to have this region to have his own texture.
I have tried to remap with little success, even I can have the region mapped with good resolution, the surrounding are is very poorly mapped with great texture distortion, so the result is a part that can look good surrounded by a part that is bad, creating a great unnatural contrast.
Maybe one day I'll have success......

P4WWG actually does have an anus, as does Dina 5, and Natalia Ultra.  The Zygote Woman, if someone could ever get her up adnd running, even has a Uterus and Ovaries.  While I haven't as yet done any artwork (or porn if you wish) that actually requires these orifices & Organs, it's nice to know that they are there should I ever wish to. 

It's one thing to have a capability and to refrain from its use, and  another to be  denied it altogether.

When discussing the origins of Viky's 1,2, & 3, one should also mention Torino, the creator of Eve.  Eve, with her inverted T chest, Breasts that wee included in the collar groups, and buttocks that were seperate from the thighs, was the progenitor and trailblazer of the Millennium regging configuration.

David P. Hoadley

Another thing that is interesting to note is that Chris Creak was the original modeler of Posette back when he and the rest of the top brass of DAZ were with Zygote. I believe that Chad Smith also had something to do with posettes development. When they split off from Zygote to form DAZ, they retained the rights to the posette mesh and she evolved into V 1/2.

Hmmmm......sounds like we need to thank Chris Creek for far more than I ever realized.  If I have gained nothing else from this thread: I've certainly gathered that much.

What is worst is that the joints don't bend in the same way as human body does. Try to pose looking at your body ends in a total fracass.
Most of the human joints have only two movements, bend and twist, no side-to-side, even so, it is able to do things that are impossible to be done by the meshes.
Our thumb has also only two movements, but these movements in the models are totally different, so it's almost impossible to make a figure pick something. With only a 90 degrees rotation of my thumb1 I pick a bottle, try to do this with Vicky or any other figure!!!!
There's no need for any deformer, the skin is not stretched or compressed with this movement, you only need to have the correct rotation axis and nothing more.
And making it worst, something must be wrong with the proportions of the body parts, we able able to bend, without any knowledge of yoga, that is imposible to be done by the figures, always the leg or some other part is too long to reach the correct destiny.

Duane Moody once informed me in a letter that one of the reasons for Viktoria I's odd looks, was because that while she was fashioned after Victoria Secret models (hence the name), each aspect of her was stylized after a different model, thus creating a mish-mash features.  Or at least that was the rumor at the time.
David P. Hoadley

If you have "use limits" set ON, in many cases, the "extra poseability" of figres is turned off, and the figures are limited to more "human" manipulation.

And there are many examples in the real world of people with "off" proportions, who cannot achieve some poses as others can. (Think midgets, and giants, or people with deformities)

I know I'll be damned if I am anywhere NEAR as flexible as my wife is.

Point being, just like in real life, there are many different proportions and quite varied flexibility.

That's one of the things that bugged me about Creepy Kid.. HMany of his joints didn;t bend far enough, and his thumbs and fingers didn't pose anywhere near what I wanted them to. That's why I did Creepy Kid Gold, to address issues I wanted to see implimented.