ok I am thinking to buying v4..BUT...
every picture I see of her her eyes drive me nuts.. they just...ew.
I dont see very much versatility in her face.  
HOW versatile is she? 
do her eyes have all the options v3 does?
does her body have all the abilities v3 does as far as morphing go?
and is there anyway to get her cro-magnon eyes and brow to look different, softer, more...feminine?

IMHO she is versatile. Before you buy, you might like to know the following:

The eyes can be changed in many different ways - if yoiu don't liek the very tearful look, if you buy the Pro pack, the 'Grace' character contains an option to switch off that tearful look.

She is very versatile, her body bends in a far more realistic way than V3. We do not yet have the individual muscle morphs that V3 had; not a problem as far as I'm concerned as the dials she does have work well out of the box, without having to do all of the morph injecting required in her previous version.

I like her; along with Miki she is my favourite fem character - I was always wary of V3 as I was suspicious of a fem model that looked beter as a male character ( :tonguecheek: )

It takes a little while to get used to working with her eyes.  The versatility is there, just people are cautious to really mess with her eyes too much it seems.  Take a look at:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/media/folder_8/file_363383.jpg

Several in my gallery too that show how changeable V4's eyes are, and I haven't really gone crazy moving stuff around.

edit: oops, imo her face is more flexible and changeable than V3; the torso and belly and hips are much more changeable; but the arms and legs can be thinned or thickened, but it's hard to get them to show any muscle.  Overall I find that V4 is very functional and pleasant to work with.

they all just look..flat, dead,,,,not..real.
she reminds me of that model that came out ages ago..what was her name.. it started with a d...ohh lordy this is what I get for late nights, and lack of sleep....

but I just...dont find her..attractive. from the pics I have seen her body moves well...but...her face..her EYES are just....ick.

Dina...was that it? O.o she was.....yea....I think her name was dina

I just tracked down dina again..and v4...DOES look like herO.O.... they share the same eye thing too......and from the looks of it allot more O.^

The eyes can be changed.

I've been using Macelene's Excletic Eyes and have been getting good results overall. (Exclusive at Poser Pros)

Quote - they all just look..flat, dead,,,,not..real.
but I just...dont find her..attractive. from the pics I have seen her body moves well...but...her face..her EYES are just....ick.

don't buy her then :blink: here we go again!

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Pic: rendered in PP (yes I still use PP!!) - using my V4 textures i'm currently working on & slightly altered eye textures from the RM Bethany V4 tex by Rebelmommy here in the MP & BabyDoll Hair.

The lingerie is painted on and just made for me to use, its based on renders of Hongyu's Maiden Lingerie that I spent a whole day piecing togther! LOL looks great though!!!

V4 is very good, but I won't be doing much work with her until the extra morphs are released, then we'll see more versatility.
BTW, that's a good image Simderella.

For anyone wanting to look at the product Natolii mentions above, I've just discovered that it's spelt 'Exlectix'

Quote - > Quote - they all just look..flat, dead,,,,not..real.

but I just...dont find her..attractive. from the pics I have seen her body moves well...but...her face..her EYES are just....ick.

 

don't buy her then :blink: here we go again!

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alrighty then, that would be great except from what I see her body moves well. with the joints that look that good we all know she is going to be the ONLY thing to use in less then three months. so it is pretty much a "sooner or later you are going to have to get her" thing. 
it is just her eyes. and apparently I am not the only one with an issue with them.
I was asking for peoples imput to see if there was anything that can be done with them to make them better. V3s eyes and morphability was great...just v4 is...well...lacking it seems.

Quote - > Quote - they all just look..flat, dead,,,,not..real.

but I just...dont find her..attractive. from the pics I have seen her body moves well...but...her face..her EYES are just....ick.

 

don't buy her then :blink: here we go again!

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alrighty then, that would be great except from what I see her body moves well. with the joints that look that good we all know she is going to be the ONLY thing to use in less then three months. so it is pretty much a "sooner or later you are going to have to get her" thing. 
it is just her eyes. and apparently I am not the only one with an issue with them.
I was asking for peoples imput to see if there was anything that can be done with them to make them better. V3s eyes and morphability was great...just v4 is...well...lacking it seems.

Quote - just v4 is...well...lacking it seems.

I gave you a large selection of examples of very different eyes.  Are you looking for someone to just sell V4 to you?  If you don't like the figure, don't buy the figure :blink:

V4's eyes don't work like V3 and I've seen many characters for sale in the stores that have her eyes all wrong maybe just because of a tiny detail...  Check the reflection in her eyes, in several characters they are reversed (the left eye will have the reflection on the right side while the right eye will have it on the left side) that makes her eyes look really strange... The textures in those characters weren't done properly.  Many people have brought this up, that her eyes look weird and I wonder if this is the reason?  Maybe if the texture was done the right way her eyes wouldn't look as strange?

Quote - > Quote - just v4 is...well...lacking it seems.

I gave you a large selection of examples of very different eyes.  Are you looking for someone to just sell V4 to you?  If you don't like the figure, don't buy the figure :blink:

no..I was hoping that people that have her or used her could answer the questions so that I would have some actual user imput in.
so I could see how morphable she was and if her joints and body were worth the odd eyes.
(thank you to those that have given me imput, glad to see I am not the only one with the eye issue)

i am not sure if it is the reflections or not..it is just the brow ridge and shape..they dont look like human eyes.
as I dont see some mega morph pack, I was curiouse (as I dont have her) what morphs come for her eyes and such. how easy it is to tweek her out.

again Thank you to those that have given imput I do appreciate it.

With the ability to add various refections and specular and such in the material room, I can't believe people are still releasing and/or buying eyes with painted on highlights/reflections!

(Covet: I buy for skins usually and if the included eye texture has such, I paint it out on the map.)

Anyway... I'm not a big fan of the new eyes.  To much going on without enough improvement for it to matter IMVHO.

Still, I'm sure there will be replacement eyes soon enough or that you can use other eyes with a bit of work.

V4 takes alot of getting used to.  I see the potential, but I haven't had any results yet that have amazed me.  I think she is much better for animation then V3, due to full facial expressions, eye movement and body flexibility.

In the end, what she looks like out of the box does not matter, it will be the artist's ability to change it that matters.

Also, remember this, just because V4 is out does not mean you have to abandon V3!  Use the right character for the right scene.  Your art should not be based on what mesh you use, it should be the other way around.

V3 has a lot of clothing, textures and morph options that are not available presently for V4.  No need to throw her out.

If you need a look or pose that V3 cannot do, then you might find what you need in V4, or Sydney, or Possette, or whatever.

It all depends on what look you as an artist want in the end.  Don't let product dictate your art, do it the other way around!!

10 differently shaped sets of eyes (7 of them on one pic) isn't input?  :blink:

Good luck with whatever, have a nice day...

Quote - With the ability to add various refections and specular and such in the material room, I can't believe people are still releasing and/or buying eyes with painted on highlights/reflections!

(Covet: I buy for skins usually and if the included eye texture has such, I paint it out on the map.)

Anyway... I'm not a big fan of the new eyes.  To much going on without enough improvement for it to matter IMVHO.

Still, I'm sure there will be replacement eyes soon enough or that you can use other eyes with a bit of work.

V4 takes alot of getting used to.  I see the potential, but I haven't had any results yet that have amazed me.  I think she is much better for animation then V3, due to full facial expressions, eye movement and body flexibility.

In the end, what she looks like out of the box does not matter, it will be the artist's ability to change it that matters.

Also, remember this, just because V4 is out does not mean you have to abandon V3!  Use the right character for the right scene.  Your art should not be based on what mesh you use, it should be the other way around.

V3 has a lot of clothing, textures and morph options that are not available presently for V4.  No need to throw her out.

If you need a look or pose that V3 cannot do, then you might find what you need in V4, or Sydney, or Possette, or whatever.

It all depends on what look you as an artist want in the end.  Don't let product dictate your art, do it the other way around!!

 
thank you!
from what I see her joints are her selling point..I have been mulling over though, would it be possible to parent v3s head to a v4 body? that way I can have my beloved face I use most often with the joints I see as being highly promising in v4.(skin color matters little as I post work it so much)

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...I dont know why you are getting so peeved. apparently I am not the only one with the eye concern. you showed me those eyes and they all still have the cro-magnon brow ridge that gives her a very odd appearance. her eyes are flat and without much life. I can pop out v3 and have her giving a wicked glance without much tweeking. but from the looks of it v4 would be hard pressed to do it. when doing work,,unless you are showing her back..the eyes make or break most work. if a face is just unappealing it can ruin what an artist is going for. 

GUH I am to tired to go through for typos and such. so please forgive it is near 2am here.

Quote - Here is a quickie portrait (no postwork) I just made of V4. I had the same concerns about her eyes - in most of the pix I had seen, they either looked 'dead' or very flat or too shiney and an odd shape. After playing around for a day I got to a face shape I really like and I think the eyes look great. I am really enjoying V4 - I can't wait till there is more clothing that I like available - esp some awesome platform boots! hehe (can't live without several pairs of those).

-Xi-
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Pic: rendered in PP (yes I still use PP!!) - using my V4 textures i'm currently working on & slightly altered eye textures from the RM Bethany V4 tex by Rebelmommy here in the MP & BabyDoll Hair.

The lingerie is painted on and just made for me to use, its based on renders of Hongyu's Maiden Lingerie that I spent a whole day piecing togther! LOL looks great though!!!

 
I realized I forgot to post this..I love this face. more to my style in features and her eyes look much better. is this with morphs she comes with? or custom morphs you made?

Thanks ;) They are just the morphs she came with, I had no trouble changing her eye shape. She basically has the same perhaps even more eye shaping morphs as V3, I didn't feel limited at all (and I am a real V3 fan) I feel she could do with more body morphs and a few more lip shaping morphs, but I suspect more packs will become available.  She does bend really nicely ... its going to be hard to retrain myself to pose a figure with the arms up!! LOL... as I very very rarely did that with V3.

I think that you will like her, like someone has said its not 'V3 OR V4' its V3 and V4. 
I also think that perhaps DAZ made a big mistake leaving such a huge gap between figures, they have let V3 become so ingrained and have so much stuff that some people are finding it hard to make room in there hearts for a new gal!! hehe

Anyhoo, good luck - I think you'll enjoy using her.

-Xi-
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I absolutely do not care what you think of any figure, but six of the seven faces in that link I first gave you have no significant brow ridge.  And you may recall that I was the first one to tell you that it takes some time to get used to working with her eyes, I don't know why you keep repeating that back to me.  "Flat and without much life" ...  You should stick to V3, you'll be much happier I think.

Forgot to add: 

PS.
I just opened up my V4 character (the one in the pic I posted) and thought i'd tell you what dials I used (all on her head)

EyeCorneaBulge: 0.250
EyesWidth: -0.260
EyesSlant: 0.120
EyesAlmond: 0.157
EyeLidsHeavyTop: 1.000
EyeLidsHeavyBottom: 0.500

------ If theres anything you want to see, i'll happily do you a render------

Don't you love that biting-the-lip thing!

You could always rerig V3, and come up with magnets of your own to fix her bending issues. I've been exploring that idea myself, even though I like V4.

It is possible to put the V3 head on the v4 body. You would loose the neck morphs for both characters, but you could do it. You have to build a composite neck out of the neck for V3, and the one for V4. It will leave a slight seam, but you can fix that in photoshop, or your paint/editing program of choice.

**richardson - that's a cool render you've done there, good realism.
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I like V4 and am impressed with her posing capabilities and overall looks. I'm still waiting for some eye textures that I like, but that is a texture preferance and don't have any other issues with the eye geometry itself. Now this is just my oppinion( so please no hitmen or letter bombs) but it seems that most complaints are about the eye textures more than the eyes shape( as in her eyes look lifeless or flat). Again just my 1cent worth(I couldn't afford the full 2 cents)

"Don't you love that biting-the-lip thing!"

Yep, especially when it's V3 doing it !

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