Oh, snap!  Good one.

Because, you know, no magazine EVER has written an article on DaVinci to sell paint or pencils. 
Ever.

plink

plunk

Excuse me.  I have to pick up my eyes.  I just rolled them right outta my head.

Wow - clever! Wouldn't have thought of that one because I've read PLENTY of "Master Review" articles! Buy more magazines - until then, as the saying goes, "Stop using the time I'm talking to think of what you're gonna say next!"

I'm aware DaVinci is dead - but thanks for the scoop. Actually think about what is being said - not scanning for any words you can cut and paste to make your argument.

oh, also, to be clear.  My above post was rife with sarcasm.  Heavy with it, if you will.  Potentially dripping with it. 
Although, I have to say, I do, honestly, have plenty of magazines that not only have articles about the great masters before our times, used to shill wonderfully bad paints and/or other art materials, some even contain advertisements that USE the old masters' work in them! 
The art world is a commercial place.   It sucks, but the barter system went the way of the sabre toothed tiger.

I don't mind that Render is a business, then why aren't they honest about it? Why have such pretensions about being an artists community? 

It seems they started with one business strategy when they were small, now that they've gotten larger they've changed it and are trying to promote their busines to different clients with policies that ignore the clients they already had.

That leaves the mods and admins to spin their policies to keep the peace among the members. It's like they're making StacyG into the Tony Snow of Render.

Numbers, test marketing - it's just how sales-based businesses grow. They figure out what is working better, what's not. And if the profit numbers all point to THIS direction, then that's what you do to survive the market.

Rosity just has the added market benefit of being a very large site, but it still needs to follow the numbers to stay afloat and prosper.

Then they better hope they can replace new clients faster than they lose old ones since that kind of message can spread also. Kinda like the numbers and the market the tobacco companies are looking at isn't it?

"He is - a complaint was announced that Rosity was a hyppocrit for having nudity in one of its own articles - so they removed the ARTICLE because of the complaint."

They removed the ARTICLE because one of Davincis works was part of it. His work had nudity so OMG gotta get rid of it. I say again, it was a DAVINCI for gods sake, not joe bobs big boobed poser work.

"Um... Duh... I um... Knew that one... Thanks for sharing... So VERY informative - funny how it's thrown in my face as if to be an informative "you should know that - been that way the entire time" when all I've heard is people bitching over the fact that THERE'S A FREAKIN MARKETPLACE!!!!"

Um Duh it HASN'T been that way the entire time. There was a time Rosity didn't HAVE a marketplace. And when the marketplace started it didn't have such a hold on every aspect of the site. The marketplace was a means to keep the gallery, forums, tutorial areas open. But very quickly that reversed and the Marketplace became the driving force behind Rosity with everything else a distant second consideration. 

"And what do I mean about "anything"...? One of the local colleges here has a problem - it's mostly an art college - with certain "rights" groups - "Right to Life" specifically - who keep showing up on campus with large boards they display to the students with photographs of aborted fetuses in harsh lighting. They parade around like they're making a point when all they're doing is trying to shock the st out of everyone - no TOS and you have some ahole posting THAT here on Rosity calling themselves "ar-TEESTS""

And this concerns the pulling of a Davinci peice how exactly? Are you saying posting a Davinci that has some nudity is the same as Right to lifers showing aborted fetuses?
 I'll say it again, if Rositys TOS is so strict that a DAVINCI has to be pulled,then it's time to shutter the place up. Next week we'll hear Rembrandt can't pass muster as well.

"Um... Ever buy a magazine...? "Interview with [big name master what what they do] - Understanding His Unequalled Techniques!" Not only informative, but it's for marketing purposes too - and if they don't do that, they go away... There's YOUR scoop - deal with it."

I don't recall anything particularly informative about this "Great Master" promotion. Just another way to sell something. If it was an article detailing their works, their techiques, the history of their paintings etc. Then I might agree, but nothing of the sort is being produced. Just a shoddy attempt at selling their wares using the "Great masters" names and works. (as long as those works pass TOS that is lol).Any site that pulls a Davinci, Rembrandt,or whatever, because of TOS doesn't deserve to be called an "Art Community".

JenX wrote:
"oh, also, to be clear.  My above post was rife with sarcasm.  Heavy with it, if you will.  Potentially dripping with it. 
Although, I have to say, I do, honestly, have plenty of magazines that not only have articles about the great masters before our times, used to shill wonderfully bad paints and/or other art materials, some even contain advertisements that USE the old masters' work in them! 
The art world is a commercial place.   It sucks, but the barter system went the way of the sabre toothed tiger."

Ant thats the type of business practice you think Rosity should aspire to? Fine, then since this is just a business, why pull a Davinci because of nudity? Sex sells baby. Time to post some Pron and really bring the suckers in.

Quote -
They removed the ARTICLE because one of Davincis works was part of it. His work had nudity so OMG gotta get rid of it. I say again, it was a DAVINCI for gods sake, not joe bobs big boobed poser work.
 

Wrong again.  I know you don't hang out here all the time, Spiritbro, so on that I'll give you a concession.   However, the sale was over, so they removed the article from the front page.  They've done that with the past few "masters" articles and sales.  The article is still floating around in the ether, and if you have a direct link, you can still find it.  It's just not linked to on the front page anymore.

"Wrong again.  I know you don't hang out here all the time, Spiritbro, so on that I'll give you a concession.   However, the sale was over, so they removed the article from the front page."

Wow history is been re-written here as we watch.

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/news.php?viewStory=13467

Also,  DDevant, if you want people to not be rude to you, try responding in kind.  I don't know how to take your last post as anything but.  Unless you'd like to actually tell those of us unknowledged rabble wtf you're talking about.

Ok, never mind, you edited your post.  How kind.
Also, no.  I found the link.  No conspiracy!  Just a quick search for DaVinci in the site search.

So does the linked article still have the Davinci work that caused the contorversy to begin with? Thats been my point all along, Thunder was the one that said the article had been removed. I just went with the flow on that one. MY pont is if you remove a Davinci, then you can't call this an art site, and if you're going to remove a Davinci because of a complaint about nudity then perhaps the PTB shouldn't use Davinci's name to sell their wares.If he's good enough to exploit, his work is good enough to leave standing. If his work isn't good enough to view, then DON'T exploit his NAME! The "Great Masters" promotion is a farce and the subject of quite a bit of snickering amongst those I hang with.
So once again, if complaints are met with the pulling of master works, I hearby complain about the whole stupid promotion. End it. And while you're at it pull down the gallery. If Davinci isn't good enough to grace this site then exactly WHAT IS? We're not talking about porn showing women shagging themselves, we're not talking about pics of aborted fetuses. We're talking about DAVINCI for gods sake.

Hey, YOU said they removed the article.  They didn't, it's there.  If you MEANT that they removed the image, you should have said "THey removed the image".   

You know what?  The admin staff works way too hard to try to please people that will find any way and any reason to treat them like shit.  I would have not only ignored this thread from an admin point of view, I'd have ignored the subsequent bullshit that has been birthed within the posts that followed.

The trouble is that the admin staff that works very hard often doesn't set the policies that they have to spend so much time trying to defend.

The subsequent bullshit doesn't start with them but as I've always experienced the shit flows downhill. The admin gets it from above and it flows down to the members, who are treated like shit and this thread was an attempt to voice the displeasure of the shit and trying to give some back.

The people that are setting the policies certainly are ignoring it since they're focused on the bottom line. Unfortunately a lot of the mods and admin are caught in the middle whether they deserve it or not.

Jen, Im not trying to get into a pissing contest with you. But I was quoting Thunder about the removal of the article.

**"****He is - a complaint was announced that Rosity was a hyppocrit for having nudity in one of its own articles - so they removed the ARTICLE because of the complaint."
**
They removed the ARTICLE because one of Davincis works was part of it. His work had nudity so OMG gotta get rid of it. I say again, it was a DAVINCI for gods sake, not joe bobs big boobed poser work.

 The text in quotes and bold print was THUNDERS post, my response is under it.So as I said, I was going with the flow. My mistake for taking for granted he knew wtf he was talking about.

Jen wrote:

"You know what?  The admin staff works way too hard to try to please people that will find any way and any reason to treat them like shit.  I would have not only ignored this thread from an admin point of view, I'd have ignored the subsequent bullshit that has been birthed within the posts that followed." 

You know thats the same pat admin BS answer thats been spouted for years." The admin staff works so hard so give them a break and follow along like good little lemmings". Guess what? No one put a gun to their head and MADE them take the job. If being a admin is too much work, perhaps they should find something else to do with their time. For those that stick however, if I see something stupid, like pulling a Davinci PICTURE, then I can and will call them on their bullshit.

 Just because you see something as "stupid" certainly doesn't make it so. That is your opinion only. I have my own ideas of what is stupid just as we all do but they are only opinions.

And all admins DO work VERY hard and fortunately we all love our job because of the members here.

Spiritbro77 - you've missed the boat time and again with your posts - THINK for a moment rather than scanning for the next thing you could possible argue about.

The image/article - WHATEVER (man-you fixated on that like a 5yr old on candy - does it really f**ing matter for the purposes of this argument?!) - was removed because of a complaint. Not becuase of nudity - because of a complaint. Not because of TOS - because of  complaint. Not becuase it was deemed porn - because of a complaint. Not because it wasn't good enough to be on the site - because of a COMPLAINT - are you noticing a common word here...? Use brain... Think... All this started over a - let's all say it together now for the ones who might yet start another misrepresented and bogus argument might ACTUALLY  understand it - COMPLAINT (though he has said more recently that it was just him joking)!

And this concerns the pulling of a Davinci peice how exactly? Are you saying posting a Davinci that has some nudity is the same as Right to lifers showing aborted fetuses?
 I'll say it again, if Rositys TOS is so strict that a DAVINCI has to be pulled,then it's time to shutter the place up. Next week we'll hear Rembrandt can't pass muster as well.

Brain... Use brain... No, I didn't say that. Part of how this thread has gotten OT is a smallish debate over strictness of the TOS - and someone even mentioned at one point the desire to just have an open Gallery where no one's art is inhibited at ALL - WAY bad idea! That was my adressing that issue - too bad I didn't make it clearer that I was speaking of THAT in particular - sorry for any confusion there.

And don't chew on the admins - that is one thankless job I'd never wanna have! My wife served for ONE year on a community board hoping to make changes that would better the place, instead of the "business as usual", and we were inundated with people calling the house at all hours of the night chewing her out for all kinds of stuff - and she just got there!

Great line outta "Clerks": "This'd be a great job if it weren't for all the f***ing customers."

They can't please everyone - post a classic DaVinci image that happens to show a penis and it gets a complaint that suggests hypocracy on their own rules, so they take it down - THEN they get their asses handed to them for taking it down! After complaints , the make it part of the TOS that they can't have nudity in the thumbnail (because some folks did NOT click the nudity tags, or the violence tags - for those of you who argued about filtering!), an people still did it. So NOW, they make it in the TOS/operations/whatever (all we need right NOW is for you to start arguing over which portion this is) that it's no longer a thumbnail but a Content Advisory image.

Some people make it their mission in life o buck the system/shake things up (my personal favorite of their expression, as if this makes them more important or cool - just more ignorantly annoying to me!) and so the response for any administration (in ANY corporation/business) is to get more and more strict - and then they get smacked around for doing it because it'!

They've got a crappy job (yes, be fortunate they love their jobs!) - make no mistake about it! Do you really think they look forward to seeing yet another f***ing "Stupid TOS" thread in the Forums?! All they can do is try to keep things running as smoothly as they can with what they've got, and who they have to deal with.

SB, is the Vitruvian Man such an important piece that this argument needs to go on and on and on?  Surely, Da Vinci was a great artist and engineer, but, are you truly fighting an argument because you truly believe it, or is this thread yet another big, huge "HEY, LOOK, EVERYBODY!  RENDEROSITY'S DONE SOMETHING STUPID AGAIN!!!" thread? 
See, while you may see many of the renderosity policies as something stupid, many see them as sensible.  Others, mostly the admin, and those that would like the site to remain open and operational, see them as necessary.  Between seeking advertisers to spend money on the site to keep it open, and seeking great artists to fuel the Marketplace, the Admin have to make a lot of people happy.
I look at this logistically, because, well, that's how my brain functions.  Sorry if I get overly analytical.
Let's say Member X spends roughly $2000 per year in the MP.  Off the top, cut that in 1/2, because for every product in the MP, Rendo gets 50%, at the very least.  So, that's $1000 that the member spent on digital product to keep the site alive.  Now, here's another breakdown.
Every digital item that is in the store takes up physical space on a physical server.  For Member X to download the product, there needs to be electricity to run the server, as well as at LEAST a T-1 line.  If not faster.  Each time Member X downloads, or attempts to download and it finishes or fails, that member is not just utilizing the file or bandwidth.  There is also electrical useage and wear and tear on the machines housing the file.
And, speaking of bandwidth....Each page load downloaded from the server at Bondware to Member X's computer at home is utilizing bandwidth, electricity, and wear and tear on the server.  Renderosity, as a business, has to pay their telco for being a "virtual ISP", and I'm willing to bet that Rendo and bondware are the local telco's favorite customers :lol: 
Oh, and there are those pesky "people".  You know.  Staff.  Admin.  Mods.  Coordinators.  Moles...I mean Programmers.  Renderosity, as far as I'm aware (I haven't visited the office yet, but, if I get the chance, I'll do it this summer) is not a cult-office, housing and feeding the staff at the office so they don't have to pay them.  Because that would be stupid.  (Although, I could be wrong.  I've heard some weird stories about what Clint does at the office)
(kidding, Clint.  You can put that pie down.)
The staff that work there, they need to get paid, to make it worth their while to work for the site.  Let's pretend that this isn't the real world, and they're all working for Minimum Wage.  $5.15 per hour.  Clint, Debbie, Jenifer, Lillian, Stacey, Tammy, Tim, Nicholas, Tommy, and Mendy...they all work for $5.15 per hour.  Per year, Renderosity needs to bring in at least $107120.00, just to pay them at $5.15 per hour for 40 hours per week, 52 weeks per year.  And, if you've been around, they pull in a LOT more than 40 hours a week.  Most of the admin staff will be answering questions in the middle of the night, on the weekends, fixing problems, etc.  And, I doubt that Tim, when doling out salaries, thought so low of his staff that he would only pay the national minimum wage.  HOWEVER, it's something to think about.  Those folks I named do this full-time.  They leave their families, go to the bondware offices, and work here.  Probably because they're insane, but mostly because they really like this place.  If they didn't, I'm sure there are jobs in Nashville that pay similar, or more, with much less abuse. 
So, in order to bring in that kind of money, to pay the full-time staff, and to compensate the non-full-time, off-site staff, Rendo not only sells items in the marketplace, they also seek to find advertisers who not only have visions that fit with what Renderosity is (and, despite the bitching, it is a community.  Many communities that I've been in during my life have had a market of some sort.) while still maintaining a bit of integrity.  So, if they have to bring about changes to make the site look more professional, so be it.  If they have to make banks, advertisers or investors happy, they have to, or the site will tank.  It sucks, but it's how the world works. 

You're quite right. It's my opinion. Nothing more ,nothing less. But come on Stacey, don't you think it's a bit messed up to exploit Davinci's name, only to later remove one of his images because of some puritanical rule against nudity? If you're going to exploit the masters, then at least show some respect for their work. :)

Also, on the nudity thing.
Let's get real.
There's Botticelli.
There's Michelangelo.

And then there's the Poser Gallery.
Not saying that there aren't very beautiful nude artwork in the Poser galleries.  There are.  But, one must separate the wheat from the chaf.  A LOT.  However, most of it....well, most of it looks like little Karrie got into mommy's makeup, put it all over her barbie doll, put playdoh on the boobs to make them bigger, and took a photo.  No expressions.  Usually thoughtless composition and overal integrity with regards to lighting and..well, reality.  With stuff like "gee, my hand can't go through my boob, why can hers?" never comes to mind with many of the members. 
So, please, let's REALLY not insult the masters by thinking that much of the galleries here are anywhere close to on par. 

only to later remove one of his images because of some puritanical rule against nudity?

Boat going by... Missed it again... Complaint - not rule... Complaint - not TOS... Complaint - not nudity... COMPLAINT. TRY to get it right SOMEDAY, please...? It was removed because of a... complaint... Load and intergrate into brain... use brain...

*There's Botticelli.
There's Michelangelo.
And then there's the Poser Gallery.

Haha! Yes, the difference being that the Masters painted excellent nudes for study of skin, lighting, general techniques, excellent composition, illustration, etc. While there are a number of good artists throughout the Poser Gallery, there's a LOT of what someone in the thread described as simply masterbatory material! Nothing more - and not a lick of atistic merit.

Dear thundering1 you have mentioned many times that the image was removed because of a complaint. If you look at the origional posting you will see that it is a question to the admins . At no point in the message do I complain about the da Vinci image. Thought I should point that out to you before you got too carried away with yourself :)

On the front page there is an article  entitled "daVinci Thursday". Does not the 2nd image of that article, the one of the full frontal drawing of a male contravene your own TOS?

While framed in a question format, it came across as a passive agressive complaint - hey guys, aren't you guys violating your OWN TOS (smile - wink wink, nudge nudge - hypocrites)?

I realize NOW you were being sarcastic, but at the time I did not, and it seems I wasn't alone as it was then removed. Hence, my useage of the word "complaint" as Spiritbro77 couldn'tseem to  get past "nudity" and "TOS" as any reason it was removed. Hence my getting carried away - with Spiritbro.

But that's kind of the lens of history isn't it? A lot of the great masters that people admire today weren't appreciate at the time they lived. Plus a lot that survived to this time was their best work not all of their sketches and practice from when they started right?

So take comparison to the gallery with a grain of salt since there are some artists in there with the caliber of talent displayed by the masters and a lot that are just starting out and still practicing. Isn't it unfair to judge all artist at different levels of developement by that?

My point is if they're going for consistency why try to forcing some intolerant standards based on the opinions of only part of the members on all of them when they have different tastes?

Instead of using the options already in place, why try to force everyone into the same mold if not for financial motives?

The image was removed simply because regardless of whos image it was it contained nudity and there was no tag to say this before clicking into the article which is against our own guidelines, it was a mistake.. nothing more nothing less. We don't have nudity on the front page articles that I'm aware of because of this NO MATTER WHO THE ARTIST is, master or not. period.   IF it was allowed to stay then we would have gotten slammed for disregarding the rules we ask the members to follow.  Simple.

I wasn't faulting that you were following the rules, just that article was written and posted that way. Just another in a long line of mistakes in editing?

As they say **When Nudity is Outlawed only Outlaws will have Nudity
                     When Marriages are Outlawed only Outlaws will have In-laws
                     When Tolerance is Outlawed only Outlaws will have Tolerance
**             
              

I wasn't referring directly to you with my last post, I was directing that to the comments made by Spiritbro.

And it was a mistake, as everyone makes mistakes and the staff here is no different, It does happen and Lillian stated that 4 pages back.

Once upon a time there was this place called Renderosity were people came and posted images, some were rude, others very crude but some were quite nice, I came I looked and every now and then I commented.
I sat on the sidelines until I tried my hand.
I worked, and I worked and finally I posted, tons of renders discarded along the way, I posted for my first image, proud of what I had accomplished, ready to show the  world, not as good as many I had seen, but not as bad as others.
Upload.
A minute went by, then an hour, a day, and then a week....within a month 30 renders posted with a total of maybe...200 views.  What could I have done wrong?  I wondered.  So to the forums I went,  I asked and the answers came from various sources....
"Oh, the renders is nice, but you need to entice"
So back to the rendering board I went, yet a thumb to entice, I was not sure, hmm a cut, here a cut here, perhaps this...for this is what my favorites did when they were just starting...some of this and some of that, Take that off and show a little flesh, hmmm that's better, but perhaps I should show a naked woman's breast.
So there again I was, with a gallery with 30 images...and less than 200 views total, and two comments given....
Upload.
Two big breast in the thumb...a minute..a view, an hour lots of views, more and more and my popularity grew. at the end of the day, this one render, no better, nor worse than the others had tripled the views to my gallery and my comments kept flowing.
Time went by...
My renders would seldom feature nudity, seldom feature breast, clean thumbnails...and on the average a new render would recieve in a day 600 views, a comments on page 2!
And then I moved.
No internet,
No access to my old email,
Internet restored,
Enroll children in school
Off to the ship we go.
Finally some time ...now where was that link, what was my username...what was my old email address?
And back to the rendering board again "this will be great better than any other of my works"
Upload
a minute
an hour
and I was back to square one.
My skill had improved, much more thought behind each render...but no one was looking and then I remembered!
Boobs in the thumbnails, show a little flesh and the views started to come, and with views more comments, still not where it was but slowly but surely climbing back, yet this time I would entice the crowd with boobs but upon opening the render hopefully they would see the amount of work in each piece.
Then a new rule...
And gone were the views,
And gone were the comments...

Was it a gimmick, did I lie, trick or mislead? No, the thumb did show what was inside and if one did not wish to view, they did not, but they viewed, they viewed a lot.

Without clicking on any of my images, look at my galleries first page, look at the views when you get to Cosplay Sisters which was posted the day before the thumbnail changed (I changed some a lot of the thumbs on the ones prior to that when I was unsure of the new rule) look at the difference between the day before and the subsequent days after.  Now if I were one of the popular artist....the change would not effect me, but I am not...an artist, nor am I popular.  And although I do dervie a great deal of joy from making a render and the time I spend before even opening poser, the fact that no one is looking...well it sux.  Many of the newer guys will most likely feel the same....not a whine, a fact.  

As for Renderotica the bondage images at first were going to go the way of the do do and for a few days they were gone...then the members spoke up, and the site did something inovative...it listened.  All the members accounts were changed to filter out those images and if you wanted to see that type of stuff, you had un check that filter.  If something was mislabled the mod simply changed it to what it should have been and a email was sent saying hey we changed the setting from this to that because....

Now Renderosity already had the default filter but went a different route...the established guys applaud it but if you look deep down in their galleries (for those that still have their first few renders posted you will see where they went from 1 view and hour to 100 views an hour with a slew of comments....for the most part you'll see it wasn't the quality of the work that all of the sudden changed, it was the boobs in the thumbnails, once they became established then they left that behind, but for new guys, if you're not established here your views will become less and less.  
Tomorrow I'm going to time myself and do a five minute render....watch what I put in the thumbs and watch the views and the comments compared to what I posted the last few days...most of you won't be surprised but some will pretend they are.

oooh I wrote way too much, sorry I love to write.  The site admins and mods for the most part are doing great jobs, but I like many others in the last few days (a lot of folks have taken down their galleries and other post a lot less) are finding out the joy that was here once upon a time seem like a distant fairy tale.  
We all remeber what happened when McDonald's tried to "grow up" the infamous Arc Burger?  Yeah...there's good (this isn't a hardcore porn site so the renders shouldn't have hardcore porn) and then there's too much "thumbnails nudity, I won't mention my other ones" ala the difference between the Big Mac and the Arc Burger.

"...and do a five minute render....watch what I put in the thumbs..."

Yeah, I'm curious - and don't worry - you didn't write too much ;-)

I will send you an IM thundering!

Well, I like the new thumbnail policy. so now I don't have to have the filters on at work when looking through the site (sorry Cruzin).  I think if you post good stuff, people will view, people will comment, the "big names" didn't get to be the "big names" just because of big boobs, it may have helped them get recognized but it's a gimmick and the good stuff eventually rises to the top.  
I have seen what the new policey has done to your overall ratings but the comments keep coming in, so even though it being veiwed less, it's still being appreciated.  
Creme rises to the top.

Here's the thing .. we can argue/discuss the TOS till the cows come home .. but its not going to change a thing. There SHOULD have been a massive poll ... but if there was even a small one - I wasn't counted. But thats over an done with .. and its unlikely that it'll ever change. In fact - there is a higher probability of things getting worse then there is of things getting better.

Obviously - the PTB have more pull then the members that make up the site. Whatever .. if I don't like it - or it gets too much to bear - I can always retreat to the comforts of my OWN site. (Heck - thats were 98% of my art gets posted anyways). 

There are two major things that upset me about this place:

1.) We lose great contributers to the community for valid reasons and few people give a rats butt. Not the PTB an not the members - they all take the side thats profitable an popular.

AND the biggest reason - well it involes 2 factors that will get me banned quick, fast and in a stinking hurry.

A few years back - someone had a great idea .. and they started off on the right foot. However somewhere along the lines .. the mission statement went out the window ... and everything got too complicated (money has a tendancy to complicate things).

I feel bad that with every silly rule change .. we lose assets to the community. Guess I'm the only one that cares. Obviously the owner doesn't.

I have a major annoyance about the new policy in regards to how the art charts work, but it would only make this big, stupid policy mess even worse, so I'll keep it to myself.

Even tho' you have told me to "piss off"  I for one would like to hear it...pjz99,  as long as we are all crying over spilled milk, what's a few more tears?  Plus, sometimes...very rarely it seems over here, someone in power does listen and thinks..."whoa that makes sense"

P.S.  You can veiw a gallery without being a member (yeah I'm an @ssh0le at times, but 99.9% right...half the time) LOL

I just want to say thank you for the new policy.

I tried to peruse the gallery and, not being afraid of nudity, got hit in the face with the "monster tits of doom" that I try to avoid more times in one session than in my entire time here.  So I will most likely stop looking at all but a couple of people's work.

I have no complaints with those that do like that genre, but I was able to make an informed desicion not to look when they were honestly represented on the thumbnail pages for what they were.  Now I am unable to do so.

I must side with the "there were/are filters in place for a reason" crowd. I had reserved forming an opinion on this new policy until I could see what it's implementation was going to do.  Well, my opinion is that it is crap.  If I am going to click on images that I would have preffered to NOT see, I being one to just close the tab it's in and move along, I see this ending up generating even more complaints from the puritants, as now they can blame Renderosity for their viewing of even more material that they "would never, never ever" instead of accepting responsibility for thier tastes.

My gallery was pulled in reaction to DaVinci, not the thumbnail policy, before anyone tries to make it anything else.

Again, thank you to the ones that put this policy in place, I have alot more free time not that cruising the galleries is out of my routine.

**Orchid_Noir  you've made a very valid point, although I'm all for big breasted larger than life mams, some people (I'm probably in the some people crowd) just don't know how to do them right (if there is a right).  So before I would  look at the thumb and go...meh...now I look at the thumb and go...well this looks [then i click on the image]  and there these things are...
but I've looked at how things work here and once a policy is set...well it's set.  

You will notice how nothing positive or constructive critism (where's spell check) isn't commented on by the Admins or the Mods.  They address the whines with smart@ss and I gotta say sometimes funny (ok, lot's of times funny) comebacks, but make a suggestion...and they move on to the easy question...

Meaning unless you put up something that can be easily batted down and laughed at, a valid point is just something to ignore.  
Before I get jumped on...I asked about a poll, or suggested a poll, a couple of people picked up on the idea...it made sense but instead of even bothering to reply to something that made sense, let's go back to an issue that was already discussed until my screen turned blue...
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Quote - Even tho' you have told me to "piss off"  I for one would like to hear it...pjz99,  as long as we are all crying over spilled milk, what's a few more tears? 

Perhaps I was more terse with you than I might have been, but I don't care to trade flames with people via PM.  I don't really care to do it in public either.  Yes, you can search someone's gallery up without logging in, but the thumbnail policy has zero to do with that, because without logging in, you get "Content Advisory" thumbs.  I don't really care to argue the ins and outs of this search link or that dropdown.  It's really not particuarly relevant, if someone wants to see titties, all they have to do is register anyway.

I'll keep my annoyance with the art charts list myself, the only thing I could do would be to make it MORE annoying.

I don't understand why some people have problem with big boobs.
Some women have really big breasts and these are real!!!
Even a woman with small breast when she is pregnant or have a child his breast is increased in a significant way, imagine one that has by nature big ones!
Of course big size by itself is not enough, it requires a nice shape and an aesthetical combination with the rest of the body. In real life is more difficult to be achieved, but it happens sometimes..
With Poser is easy, just only a dial setting.