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Subject: Poser bias?
"When a 3d modeller sees their freebie in someones artwork and they did not give permission for the freebie to be used. They are going to contact you and say we can settle this two ways; in court or out of court. So now said freebie could cost anywhere from $1.00 to $2,999"
Thank you..That is by far the biggest bunch of bulls**t I've read in a long time.
And Here I thought the Poser community was growing wiser.
It's actually kinda nostalgic and refreshing to see there is still BullS**T still being spread to the masses.
It wouldn't be the same without it.
Thanks again
Tom
“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”
Well, I can also see both sides of the coin. There are many very talented artists that have grown from Poser, be it texture making, post processing or mesh creation, BUT! even though Poser is easy to use, it does still seem to attract the "make art button" brigade who expect the software to create the art and not the user. Poser is a good tool, but even I throw my hands in the air when I see questions such as - "where can I find this pose file?" etc...how about creating your own pose, or your own prop if it doesn't exist? There is no excuse.
Cheers
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Great time for a question- Say I use the "static tent" in your freebies - I change the textures by displacement and apply new colors and say a USMC stencil on the side then use it in the background of a scene what is the proper ettiquette on this usage? I looked at your page and did not see any limitations on terms of use.
If you render a 3d object for a gallery picture, it is not likely that someone would take you to court about it (I am guessing that there could not be a case, if you don`t make money out of the picture then the original creator of the object is not losing any money.
Johnfields, thank you for the ed209 link.
"One question. Are you advocating the use of freebies in artwork, without the 3d modellers consent?"
Nope...especially if it is used in a commercial endeavor. but you didn't say that.
You said "In Someone's Artwork"
I'd love to see documented proof of a freebie provider suing "Anybody" for posting "Artwork" where permission wasn't granted.
8 )
Tom
“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”
Hi johnfields,
You have my full permission to use it for commercial and non-commercial use. If you need any modifications to the mesh contact me at chieftanocla7@sbcglobal.net I'm glad to help you and all the poser artist here. I just don't want to see anyone get burned. Right now over at turbosquid there is a controversy about people uploading freebies, then pulling them a few weeks later and selling the exact same model.
Cheers,
Patorak
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Quote - Hi kathym,
This post is one of the reasons I model exclusives for Poser clients. The design is theirs, I model from that design and work one on one with them for complete customer satisfaction. And whats more, when I'm done the model is theirs and theirs alone. I don't even ask for credit nor do I blow my horn by saying " Hey, that's my model!" If anyone is interested in an exclusive you can contact me at chieftanoclan7@sbcglobal.net
Cheers,
Patorak
I can see the dollar signs now. LOL. Years ago I commissioned (when I actually had money) a set of armour for posette based on the one worn by Callisto from the Xena series .. cost me about 300 bucks. I'd hate to see the price tag for some of the alien life form sketches I have. OUCH! LOL.
However if someone uploads a freebie .. doesn't that imply that they don't care if some uses it (even if only in the confines for their home)? Or I guess unless the eula says "you can open the file - look at it in poser and do nothing else with it".
Just enjoying the Vue.
:0)
I appreciate the vote of confidence but I'm an old fart (46) and I gave up on professional art a long time ago . Here's a thought - I bet that the company that made robocop owns the rights to ED-209- so freebie or not the actual rights for ED-209 are probaly with Paramount or Fox or somebody. Since no money was made -probaly not a big deal , HOWEVER there is a model of ED there for 200.00 - NOW this is the question since this image is commercial and used the intellectual rights owned by another how can they sell it - it seems its kinda like me selling somebody elses property ...
Hi kathym,
Our freebies are good to go. It's sights like 3dcafe, turbosquid and so forth you have to be careful with. BTW my prices are way less then that! LOL
Hi johnfields,
That's another big controversey. In business big fish eats little fish. Eventually, they will notice and want their cut.
Cheers,
Patorak
Just to keep things straight; Copyright does not care whether or not money changes hands. If I xerox copies of the latest Harry Potter novel and give them away on a street corner I am still guilty of copyright theft. Trademark does care, but only in that a trademark is a business asset that was developed at some cost and needs to be protected against adulteration. Lucas Films, for instance, would be entirely within their rights to shut down anyone using the trademarked shapes of Tie Fighters or the trademarked term "Jedi." They chose not to, reasoning that their property is not harmed by use within the fan community. However, if they let a feature film use these elements they'd risk losing them entirely, allowing a new film company to take over and profit on the work Lucas did. So don't look at the money. Look at the morality, and look at the explicit permissions. When in doubt, check -- most major companies, for instance, have a list of their trademarks somewhere on their websites, as well as a statement of policy concerning them.
By the by, what is it with all the theater people suddenly showing their heads? Didn't realize there were so many of us here! Perhaps we should start a new section -- 3d for theater and pre-vis -- ? (Nothing pinks like propinquity. I'm heading towards a brutally quick turn-around on a complex lighting show and I'm strongly considering mocking up parts of my design in 3d first; to try to problem-solve there instead of on what is going to be a hectic tech week. It would be easier if the set designer had graduated to CAD, tho....at the moment there isn't even a ground plan.)
Quote - By the by, what is it with all the theater people suddenly showing their heads? Didn't realize there were so many of us here! Perhaps we should start a new section -- 3d for theater and pre-vis -- ? (Nothing pinks like propinquity. I'm heading towards a brutally quick turn-around on a complex lighting show and I'm strongly considering mocking up parts of my design in 3d first; to try to problem-solve there instead of on what is going to be a hectic tech week. It would be easier if the set designer had graduated to CAD, tho....at the moment there isn't even a ground plan.)
I got my BFA from Noerthern Kentucky University in 1987 how bout you? It sounds like a great idea - a bunch of techies sharing tips and crits- do we have to wear black when we are on line ?-lol. Lets hear it from the theater peeps!
Hum, Wouldn't the sheer act of distrubuting a model as a "Freebie" sort of make one assume it's to be used in a piece of ARTWORK? I mean I can understand a creator "requesting" that it not be used for commercial purposes without concent, particularly in the case of some one offering a "Freebie" created in the image of something copyrighted such as the ed 209, from the 'Robocop' movies, but by offering it for Free on an open community such as the internet, well it seem evident to me it's beuing offered for use.
IF the readme included iwth it (if it even had one( REQUESTED that the artist be notified of it's use then it's only polite to try. But there is no other obligation. If your so f**kin anal as to think you can sue over something YOU offered for FREE then don;t put it out there. I'd like to see the court records of such a law suit.
Commercial works are something else, however all that I sell contain the provision for the purchaser to use RENDERS of the models in thier art. Distribution of the models themselves are another thing altogether, except for items in the case where I sell the copyright outright, in which case the purchser may do whatever they want with them, sell them, give them away as christmas presents whatever, no longer my business.
mike
Quote - I hope nobody bites my head off for this but Poser art (for the most part) needs to be critiqued similar to a photograph. composition, lighting, etc.
Oh, absolutely if you want to call it art and expect it to have credibility as such, you also have to be willing to take the heat of critique. This is what ppl who put so many years into concentration and skill development have to face.
And if you'd like to just tinker around for fun and pat yourself on the back for it, fine, it's free expression, enjoy. But if you trot it out among a community of serious artists, expect to get burned.
ok I am not reading (right now anyway) through three pages of comments but I will put in my 2 cents.
these elitists that claim all the "did you model this or that" well frankly, until one of them will show me they made literally every component in their puter or wrote every program they use I wont take them seriously.
Poser is a tool. plain and simple. just as a model for a photo shoot is a tool(breathing one but a tool) yes poser is like that. you have to set camera angels, lights, poser your model..etc...
And with tools, they dont work without a person to work them. No chisel will cut marble without a person to hold it, no puter will create art without someone behind the monitor.
no matter what you are going to claim, every single 3d artist uses another's tools to get their end result. period.
It was not the tool that created the work, it was a person.
So what if they didnt do it in a thousands of dollars program?
so, with that..take the elitists with a grain of salt.
I was pleasantly surprised when I ranked in an animago competition with my lil poser piece..considering it was filled to the breaking with high end program created work.
poser is a tool, it is the passion that it is used with that creates art.
remember that and you will be just fine.;)
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In most cases, it tends to be the equivalent to cutting out pieces of other people's work and pasting it into a scene.
As far as I know that's called a "collage" (at least in dutch it is, couldn't find an english word for it) and is an artform.
It seems to me that these discussions seems to come back over and over again, like thromarcadia mentioned "beating a dead horse".
Many, many years ago i studied architecture, and I discovered that the only way to get the best results was to convince the teachers that your work was good. That seems reasonabe but a few less talented people did that by pissing off the work of other students. And in the end it were not the most talented students that succeeded but the ones with the biggest mouth, and the worst thing was, they were encouraged to do so: because in the real world you have to defend your work to your client to be succesfull. I don't think I have to mention that I dropped out early, because I was a rather shy man.
Some weeks I spoke with a girlfriend, who studied some years on the art academy of the Hague, but also stopped because she couldn't take the very competitive climate there. And by the stories I've heared from other friends, things haven't changed a bit, it's only grown worse.
So in my opinion people who are burning down the work of others only do that because they have learned to do so or they have very limited skills.
My advice: don't get upset by any comments on your work.
Regards,
Bopperthijs
-How can you improve things when you don't make mistakes?
Hey johnfields,
This is OT so I hope you don't mind. What ship were you on? I was on the USS Saipan. Our " Mike boat" was christened the uss minnow. There's a song all the sailors ( Mr. Pretzels )use to sing while we( Clausen Pickles ) were going ashore. I'm sure you know it. Anyways thats why I was LOLing.
Cheers,
Patorak
Quote - Hey johnfields,
This is OT so I hope you don't mind. What ship were you on? I was on the USS Saipan. Our " Mike boat" was christened the uss minnow. There's a song all the sailors ( Mr. Pretzels )use to sing while we( Clausen Pickles ) were going ashore. I'm sure you know it. Anyways thats why I was LOLing.
Cheers,
Patorak
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You like "Off limits," you should try being in the 82d. Everywhere I went with them, we ended up having every town within fifty miles of our camp being placed off-limits. West Virginia. Large parts of Southern California. But the ultimate was when the entire STATE of Alaska was put off-limits to the men of the 82d. Not sure if it was the fights, or the naked colonel dancing on a table... And now this thread is officially as off-track as a 2nd lieutenant with a map and compass.
Hmmm.. that gallery is empty too-
I checked out "bounds of Beauty" as well- tsk tsk not exactly my cup o'tea - but whatever floats your boat- don't feel the need to comment on my post anymore - i'm sure you are too "highbrow" for the likes of me. I'm trying to be polite as I do not want a flame war or anything - we just have a different perspective - I respect your right to yours and reserve the right to mine!
To be honest the image is drastically different from what CGTalk and Conceptart expect. They want quick dramatic 2D paintings OR production-grade 3D stuff. Unless it's a WIP. If you want 3D you have to do it good, like those things ZBrush/Mudbox do. And you notice the large analog influence over there? One tip: Shaders and postwork. Try making your own materials with variable bump/specular/reflection and great skin. Also try painting over the 3D image (rendered large) for a grittier, bolder look- especially for the terrain, which would look magnificent and much better with Painter X and a tablet in a few strokes. You might think of these processes as long-drawn and tiring (perhaps even longer than the time it took to assemble/pose), but the devil is in the details. IMHO Poser should be more of an indirect stepping stone to awesome 2D art (and if you sculpt using Digital Clay, 3D). It's own output would be just passable. The same applies to a lot of 3D actually. Most of them go through a professional compositing app to make it more dramatic/composited on matte paintings. If Poser renders are not stylized to a stage where they look like work done in 3ds or Maya or Houdini, they will be subjected to scrunity to anyone outside the Poser Gallery- uncanny valley and perception of unfinished pieces at its work. It's definately not insecure people trying to be dicks- the people there would be damn proud of their stuff, like any artist would. Arrogance? Maybe a little, but it happens in the music world (technically proficient artists hurling insults, etc.) and to an extent it's justified. Unless Poser renders are never to be compared to "professional" 3D art, which looks to be quite okay among lots of R'osity artists. :)
In This Twilight- My FIRST public poser work in 2 years!
Also the reason why I endorse postwork (:D)
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Okay here is freebies part 2, and this is where it gets ugly. When a 3d modeller sees their freebie in someones artwork and they did not give permission for the freebie to be used. They are going to contact you and say we can settle this two ways; in court or out of court. So now said freebie could cost anywhere from $1.00 to $2,999