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Subject: New Clothing Converter on the market?
For a brand new app XD does show promise though in it's current infancy I personally don't care for it. The biggest downside I encounter is the way it mucks up body handles. The adding of body handles is a good idea but doesn't do a realistic job. I've seen many post about how well it converts shirts and skirts but very few if any that mention complex clothing such as RDNA's Morphing Fantasy Dress. Another example is Daz's Morphing Fantasy Wrap. Neither of those will convert to a usefull item. If the issue of mucking up the body handle can be corrected then XD could very well be worth getting.
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Having tried both products, I agree that in some ways CrossDresser is easier to use than Wardrobe Wizard.
However, I prefer Wardrobe wizard for its' level of support of characters and the fact it will convert conforming hair, and to a certain extent footwear, also the fact that it supports heavily morphed versions of the supported characters.
If you only use a few figures & aren't too worried about hair conversions, I'd recommend getting CrossDresser & buying the one off licenses for the figures you use.
But if like me, you like the flexibility of being able to morph the clothing prior to conversion and have that change stay after the conversion is complete, being able to do conversions that can have morphs added to them, & to convert footwear & hair, then I think Wardrobe wizard is the better choice.
Of course, the competition between the two products can only be good for us users as Phil & Andrea will continue to make improvements to both apps.
Good luck to both of them
Btw, IMHO of all the other multi-character clothing conversion programs, CrossDresser is the only program that really gives wardrobe wizard a challenge, Clothing Covertor is just too fiddly and the level of support too limited to compete.
I"ve been "destructive testing" CD the past couple of days and intend to write a full review by the end of the weekend. For testing purposes I converted the A3 Infamous outfit to V3, WITH the hat and boots, and the hat came through fine, but the boots, well, the toes don't bend. I would suppose that, depending on the pose you use, this might not be an issue at the moment.
Pricing seems, well, interesting. On the non-existant budget I work with, the trial period may be the only time I get tu use CD. I'd like to see Apollo added to the list as he's become my male model of choice.
I just finished converting the V3 Leather Jacket and Pants to M3 but haven't used them yet.
I've been looking for something like this program, as have we all, for quite some time. One of my main reasons is the influence that the Diskworld series of books has had on what passes for my sense of humor. I need something that will allow me to convert a medieval style armor set to all the major character types so I can develop a City Guard group iconograph.
Keep watching this forum...I'll post the pix later.
I'm attempting a shoe conversion today too. I think it's totally do-able to complete a shoe conversion with XD, but you will have to make the final steps yourself (morph shoe to fit foot and adding bones in the Setup Room).
I gave Cd (or is XD?) a doosy of boot to convert too! teehee Laura Harjuku Cheerleader! Weeee! Oh my beautiful bishies want those shoes so bad.... hehehehehehe The conversion itself at high resolution took a long time, over an hour. The drain on my XP CPU topped off at around 187,000k too. oO I haven't checked the results yet.
I looked again at the XD prices last night. It seems cheap! It's $9 per destination figure. So let's see, I want to convert everything to M3. How much will that cost me? Get this, -- $9! Unlimited. Forever. That means with just one high resolution clothing conversion to just one figure, and CrossDresser has paid for itself for that figure! WOOT! oO
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Well, I would try it out, but for me anyway, David isn't supported so all of the clothing and armor that I would LOVE to convert to him is not going to happen. I would really like to see David supported as there are a lot of us out there that just love him. Until then, while it does look nice, no go for me.
I would love to see the Girl supported too :))
This is a vote for David Support :))))
just like the various morph transfer apps out there and the other clothing converter, WWW and CrossDresser each have their pros and cons.
WWW as pointed out by another takes some work on many articals to get a smooth mesh, and fine strappy items and chains can sometime simply never come out with satisfactory results. CrossDresser on the other hand does fine strappy stuff and chains almost perfect the first time and every time. However I find myslef adjusting the JPs a lot more, I actually had to learn how to get into falloff zones this time (which is a good thing...to learn something).
Like many other 'Tools' in Poserdom, there is no such thing as 'too many'.
And as for the "it don't bring the morphs over", if your converting from one CR2 to another with differrent JPs and structure, you pretty much NEED Tailor or one of the other morph transfer apps to do it, Morph Manager is not intended to transfer morphs from character to clothing...thou I have heard and seen it done, rarely. You need a Tailor for such specialty work, even with WWW if you are going from one character to another...now when just going from character to 'morphed' character, then you would use MorphManager.
Myself, I have WWW and love it, and now I have CrossDresser and love it, and just got PhilC's Shoe tool and am sure I'll love it too!
Quote - Speaking of.... Please let me know how shoe convert works for you. I am curious to know if the thigh high boots can be converted from Laura to M3 that way. Thanks. ^^
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Alas, as I understand the info it will only do boots up to 'just Below the knee'...thigh high boots we are still SOL
I got it for Pirate boots.
I would sure like a pair of thigh highs like the ones on McFarlan's "Red Ridding Hood"...
CD and WW the best of both worlds.
With CD I get near Perfect conversion than I use WW to adapt the cloth item to my morphed characters.
The way I see it two great tastes that taste great together.
CD is a must buy as long as It doesn't have to have it go out and verify your license to use it this way even if the developer calls it quits your app still works.
I have to say I bought CC, WW and will buy CD out of all 3 CD is the best by far in quality of the end result, but WW still has its place in your tool box.
Couple of things easily over looked: From the options command make sure you have your runtime selected. I found it best to locate the clothing first then select the from figure then the to. I kept getting an access violation error until I did that sequence.
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One thing you should know about Netherworks magnets (and he mentions this in his documentation): if the clothing being morphed has no "Thigh" group, for example, then the Thigh magnets (Wide and Full for V3) don't match the human figure's Thigh morphs (FMB or PBM). For example, this skirt had no Glute, Waist or Thigh groups. But you can still add the magnets for those groups, and they do deform the clothing (sometimes in unpredictable ways), so you get some extra morphing control. (Does that make sense?)
I'm sure I'll pay for at least the V3 license. I think Crossdresser combined with Nethwork's magnets will do a lot for my Poser wardrobe...
SOunds like the general concensus is "Great tool in conjunction with other applications". I have to echo that. I think I wils go for one figure licence and maybe option one of two more. It's a great little application for what it does!
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I have also tried it and the cloths become much smoother then in WWW, but darn I don't get any bones for thight, shin or some other nice part that some cloths have -and the cloths morphs are also lost. I'm talking about some morphs like "walk" "sit" "turn left" and more.
I'm a totelly noob when it comes to bones.
I also have WWW, with keep all body parts and cloths morphs -yes the cloths often needs some work on with smothing.
So if I have to choose then it is WWW.
But it is a great tool and I proberly buy some of the licence for some figure -course you can't have to many tools :)
I too wote for more figure support - Koshini, Krystal, Hiro, V2, M2, Ichiro, the freak, Kiki and david
Love Jenny
Quote - Okay, want to see something cool? BillyT's CrossSpider Long Shirt for V3 converted to M3! Now M3 has sexy J-Rock wear! WOOT! 8) Thanks for the info, igohigh. I read some posts on the PhilC forum about shoe conversions. It looks like people are using PhilC's Obj 2 Cr2 to convert thigh high boots. I have that app too. Will have to try it. LadyElf, The error you are getting could be because the cr2 points to the main poser runtime and it can't the obj in the exact location the cr2 gives. Just open the cr2 in a text editor. Look at the address. Find the obj, and move it into the correct location. bB
That does look way cool :)
Not sure what you mean? This is stuff that is already installed and works fine in Poser. I think it's probably because like nickedshield said, that's the same error I'm getting and it closes the app down completely....going to try choosing the clothing first when I get some free time today.
I bought the M3 license, but I can't install it because the unzip is password protected.
Argh?
I read through the XD Help file. I see you can opt for not regrouping. That's cool, similar to how WW does advanced feature. So I could keep 2035 jacket for V3's morphs when translated to M3? Will have to try it.
It looks like XD might be possible to do a fit to a morphed figure in XD. However, this could be very tedious with lots trail and error on how to set the pokethrough adjustments. It would be cool if someone figured out the setting for each of the major body morphs. wishful thinking
LadyElf, maybe it's a bad install? I think the app has been updated since yesterday. Maybe you try redownloading?
DAZ never made a Wizard Robe for Aiko? oO
What were they thinking? They just released a refit of the Wizard robe for V4. I think you guys should get noisy on the DAZ forums and request an Aiko (and Hiro) fit for the Wizard Robes.
I have just about all the various clothing converters. I haven't tried Netherworks morph adders though. Tne thing about XD you have to keep in mind, it doesn't do the head. Wardrobe Wizard does, but doesn't do feet or hands (feet can be done with another PhilC app). Clothing Converter (at DAZ) however does so hands. It's the only one that does. And when all else fails, convert by hand and use PhilC's Obj to Cr2.
There are a few super cute SP outfits I would like to convert to M3. I hope SP gets added at some point, but I would like Hiro added first. ;)
Today's conversions include Awful Soul 2035 jacket (sweet!) from V3 to M3, Aio's Gothic Lolia 1 2 3 arms and tops and collars, and the most fun conversion is PoserPro's Barbarella top to M3! teehee M3rella!
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The one feature of XD that I don't think anyone has mentioned is that you don't have to own the figure that the clothing was originally designed for... No request for someone to analyze the file for you!
Quote - Oh I know what went wrong. You have to have your internet connection live. The program dials out to the internet to confirm your subscription. -- sucks, I know. But once it is confirmed, you don't have to keep the link active. bB
They are changing this, I asked about this because I wanted to use the programme on a computer without internet access. They said they have had numerous enquiries, so it is changing.
I downloaded the programme again & reinstalled when I bought a licence & did not need internet access this time.
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Might be Firewall troubles! Windoze stupid firewall blocked my first use of it, until I granted it permission to do it's stuff. All sort of things block internet communication.
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If it's your firewall and they've updated the program. Try it again.
I went on marthon of conversions today. My hardrive was getting so full! ^^;;;
I went into the CrossDresser folder in the Program directory and deleted what looked like the XD version of the Wardrobe Wizard analysis files. Hope I didn't need them. ^^;;;
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I'm having great luck with XD (I'm sticking with the 'official' abbreviation ;-) ), having converted a number of V3 outifts to Laura, so the poor girl doesn't have to look like all her clothes were picked out by her mom. However, trying the stockings from MindVision's "End of Innocence" bridal outfit, the feet turned ino jai alai scoops! Everything is fine from thigh to heel, but then the toes are a full foot in front of Laura's toes. The stocking toes don't bend with Laura's, but bending her foot demonstrates that the toes of the stockings bend at a different rate than the figure's, so my guess is that the JP is the problem; when I get to my normal Poser machine, I'll see if that can be fixed.
On the whole, though, I'm very happy with XD; as noted before, it doesn't seem to have the "crumpling" issues that I've found to be common in WW (which is why I almost never use the program). One other thing I've noticed, however, is that converting V3 bras to Laura create a look of "wearing Mom's underwear"; they look like adult-sized and -shaped bras with the cups flattened, rather than scaling down to Laura's much smaller (not just flatter) chest. Hopefully, EvilInnocence will find a scaling algorithm that takes this into account. Still, great job!
In general, if the clothes figure has built-in gloves, or boots--XD WILL give you those problems. Andrea warned of problems in those ares, but until you actually run across them, you don't know WHAT they are. They are Re-grouped, AND un-rigged so you can't turn them off in the parameter dail tab.
WW is made with tweaking the final product in mind. According to Phil, the general theory behind WW accords more flexibity to the end-user than just 'push one button, and VIOLA have conversion'.
The main problem with that is--If it doesn't work to begin with-It'll never work. With WW--If it doesn't work the first time, you can keep at it UNTIL you get a conversion you can live with! There are literally hundreds of combinations to convert and tweak the end-product. You just have to work it some. If you have any problems--Phil is easy to contact and will do every thing he can to help at: www.philc.net/forum/viewforum.php
I like both of them equally well.
When making conversions from any figure remember: If possible go FROM smallest to larger! If you go from Kit or Laura to V3 or V4, you get a MUCH better fit, than vice versa. Large to small almost ALWAYS give a host of problems due to compression of the mesh.
The downward scaling gives problems due to how the original mesh was constucted, and what modeler was used. Same size to larger>no problems. Larger to smaller>potential problems.
I cannot save the world. Only my little piece of it. If we all act
together, we can save the world.--Nelson Mandela
An inconsistent hobgoblin is
the fool of little minds
Taking "Just do it" to a whole new level!
Not using V3 for much of anything, I'd hazard a guess that SP3 > V3 would be easier becasue SP3 is slightly smaller and most of the JP's are more similiar to V3' and the general body shape is more similiar as well.
If you're doing from a realistic morph of AIko to V3, THEN things might be different. Like I said--I don't use V3 almost at all. I need to fix that.
I cannot save the world. Only my little piece of it. If we all act
together, we can save the world.--Nelson Mandela
An inconsistent hobgoblin is
the fool of little minds
Taking "Just do it" to a whole new level!
I must remember to remember what it was I had to remember.
I've been following this thread with great interest since I'd love to use most of my outfits on V4. I have WW and like it, but there are some things that I just couldn't get a decent result on (maybe user error! lol). Things that were mentioned earlier in this thread - straps, buckles, surface details didn't come through the WW very well, based on my brief attempts. Someone with more experience would get better results, I'm sure.
This CrossDresser has done some great conversions for me - and I've only had it for less than a day. Here's an outfit I had problems with in WW - Eclipse by AS - took less than an hour to convert all the pieces. V4 looks pretty happy about her new outfit!
I did what was suggested earlier in the thread - unchecked the option to have XD regroup the item so that I could use MorphManager to add back AS's excellent movement morphs. Worked like a charm! Next outfit I'll try converting is RDNA's Oktapussi from A3 to V4 (lots of strappy things on that outfit too).
I think I'll end up using both programs as they serve their own purpose. I was most impressed at PhilC's attitude about the new program - that competition raises the bar & he even wished them much success. Kudos to him & to EvilInnocence for bringing us a fun new tool!
i love the CrossDresser...It is cheap...anbd very easy to use. The program is free and the license s $10 for each figure you want to convert TO (converting FROM is free - so you only buy the license for the one you are converting TO). I have used it quite a bit and had really good results. And I have the morph manager rom daz, so I just add the morphs back in.
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Has anyone had any success with pants, I tired Aikos Jwear from DAZ today to V4, & the bottom of the pants looked like they had been through a paper shreader
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I have been thinking, & I wonder if the problem I have with the Jwear is because of Aiko's different leg zone?
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i dont know, Annie, but I dont think so. Jwear is a short outfit, so it really out to do well....if i get a chance, i may convert it to see if i get the same trouble you had with it, cause it maks me curious. I have converted several Aiko things over to v4 with no trouble. The only issue I have ever had is when converting the elf dance set, and then it messed up on the feet area only, but that isn't a real issue, since it says it doesn't cover feet, lol...But being me, I tried it anyway, lol.
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I don't own this item yet so I can't give "feedback" on it personally. But regardless, I am happy to see it and glad to see someone creative enough to do it.
But that is just me.
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