I've recently had two of my thumbs pulled due to violation of the TOS. Im not going to get into an argument over whether or not the TOS is fair. Thats open to an (endless) debate. However when you leave it open to interpretation of the TOS - then there is going to be problems.
My newest image was this:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1466914
Now in order for me to make a sensible thumb that shows more than just her head (which is all the gallery thumbs seem to be now when showing images with nudity) was impossible. To be fair to the image, I wanted to show the horse and the dolphins. In order to comply with the TOS - i painted a white bikini on the thumb. Now at the end of it - why does the thumb get pulled? There is no offensive (lol) nipples showing and I get to represent my illustration with proper representation.
The thumb gets pulled anyway
WTF?
Im trying to find a happy medium that is fair to the artist and still complies with the TOS - but there doesn't seem to be any.
I had another image pulled "hurts so good". My email said that it was the thumb that was pulled. However it appears that both the thumb and the image was pulled and is "under review"
She is wearing a thong in the thumb and no nipple is showing. So I can only assume that the thong shows more than the "standard" bikini.
What the hell is a standard bikini?
It just seems that for someone such as myself who specializes in pinup work - its very hard to be able to show my work here without ruffling some feathers.

I can't interpret their TOS for ya, but this is one of the few places I know about where teen-age boys can view nudie pix without lying about their age.

PerfectN - I've just checked out your Rhapsody work, I have to say it's a beautiful piece of work.
Regarding the thumbnail, I'm bafffled as to why they would pull it. How can something like this be offensive, when the chest area was covered? How would the moderators interpret this as a violation, it'd be interesting to find out.

Just a site that I found........http://www.artistsagainstcensorship.com/

Rhapsody is a stunning piece of work, no doubt, I agree with Stormchaser on that.
Does it not annoy you that work of that quality only has 12 comments from 159 views when some mediocre shite from the "buddy brigade" gets like 3 score and 10 comments!!????
Baffling!!!

"mediocre shite from the "buddy brigade""
thefixer - Recently I have wanted to make a comment on here about this but I feel that I would be backlashed against it. I'm going to say my piece now anyway. 
I love going through the galleries & picking up those gems that truly are a work of art. I've added some to my favourites recently, I am in awe of some of the talent here.  Some of these great works haven't had the recognition they deserve (not enough views & comments) & half of the most commented & highly rated sections are took up with the friends club just posting canned pictures time after time & maybe alot of people will miss these. I still look at the art charts even though half of that is the "buddy brigade", some work there is superb. I do find though that unless you can look at the galleries everyday you'll find it hard to keep track of the good stuff, so what I do now is check the favourite images of people's work I've commented on. It's amazing what great work is there that was posted weeks & even months ago that you would have missed. I really wish the most commented & rated section would highlight what this section was really designed for.
Sorry for the rant.

I always say it as I see it Stormchaser and night after night I see the same old, same old peddled out with the same old, same old oohh's and aaah's. Same tired posing, same tired lighting, same tired soft photoshop filters etc.
I admit some have lots of comments by merit and that's fair enough, I have commented on those also but let's face it, as you have said there are loads of images out there better than a lot in the Art Charts but they're not "networked" correctly on the site so don't get the votes or however it works now!

If peeps want to flame me for saying what most of us think anyway, let 'em. I won't lose any sleep over it!

Sorry to hijack the thread PerfectN, I'll stop now!!

Seems to me that your thumbnails were probably pulled because the painted on bikini was considered a "'Censored" image:

Quote - No "Censored" language/images (some examples: "Warning: Nudity Inside" or black bars covering breasts/genitals)

w/ the painted bikini being equated to a 'black bar'.

I'd personally rather see nudity in the thumbs of pictures that contain nudity.
Anything else is misrepresentation of the full image, IMO.

As for quality vs. # of comments/rating: Any relationship between the two is purely coincidental. That's just my opinion too.

Dvlenk6 - your comment of quality vs # of comment rating is purely coincidental - surely you are joking. Renderosity is riddled with hug clubs. I've seen some great pieces of work get overlooked because they simply don't comment on others work. Look at the art charts. As the fixer so eloquently put it - "same old tired shite" and he's right. But that is the way it is and I can live with it.
However Rhapsody put me in a dilemma because in order for me to show the full theme of the picture - the winged horse and the dolphins I had to show more of the picture than just her bloody head. In oder to do that I had to cover her breasts. Fine - no problem. But it still gets pulled because I painted on a bikini - so where is the middle ground? The TOS is unfairly skewed.
Stormchaser and thefixer just had the balls to say what everyone else knows. The hug clubs get the most comments because by commenting on one of their picture ensures you get a comment on yours.
...and I thougth I left highschool cliques behind me...

Looking at the actual image and then the thumbnail, it looks like you allowed the Renderosity server to generate your thumbnail for you.

If you have nudity and/or violence in your image, and the image is tagged nudity and/or violence, then you cannot allow Renderosity to generate a thumbnail for you.  Y*ou must use a cropped thumbnail *that doesn't show any nudity or violence in it. Or you can choose to use the Renderosity Content Warning image, found here.

Thumbnail nudity consists of:

• exposed female nipples

• exposed female breast areola

• exposed male/female buttocks (beyond what you would see with a "normal" bikini bottom) IE: a thong panty is considered buttock nudity

• exposed male/female genitals

• exposed pubic hair (even if it's around the edges of the panty)

• shear/wet/see through fabric that shows any of the above

• a nude figure with strategically placed props to hide their nudity IE: Holding up 2 apples in front of the breasts to hide the areola and nipples, or putting a few flower petals over the pubic area.
  **
  What is not considered Thumbnail Nudity:**

• Female Breast tissue other than the nipple and areola area

• The shape of the female nipple through non see through clothing

• pasties that fully cover the breast areaola and nipples

Note: Second skins are apparently decided on a case by case basis. Some second skins are "real clothing" IE: jeans and a top etc, while others are just body parts coloured IE: a lime green martian girl coloured in the material room.

I can tell you that you aren't going to win and reposting a nude and/or violent image with a full reduced size thumbnail is only going to make the staff mad and result in warnings for you.

It is possible to be creative when you make your thumbnails and still be able to attract the hormonal :)

I took the liberty of creating a thumbnail using your image to show you what I mean. Feel free to use it in your gallery if you want to.

I tried to just use the image in it's actual rendered state, but when I positioned the image into the window of my 200x200  thumbnail template, the full torso including the hips and "groin" area was visible. Even with the horse's mane covering the groin it is clear that she is not wearing a piece of clothing in her hip area, so because of that, the figure is considered "nude"

I resized the image by 125%  and  magnified the thumbnail template with the enlarged image in it. I was able to position the enlarged image into the thumbnail so that there are no areola or nipples showing, and the image is cropped high enough above the hip so that it can be "assumed" that she is wearing a bikini bottom.

So keep in mind that if you tag an image nudity and/or violence, you have to use a cropped thumbnail.

Quote - Dvlenk6 - your comment of quality vs # of comment rating is purely coincidental - surely you are joking.

No, I'm not joking.
From your comments, it looks we are saying the same thing:
Quality of images has nothing to do with the number of comments or ratings, IMO.
I've seen too many cheap images get into the most commented/highest rated slots and really good images get overlooked too many times to have my mind changed about that.

Sorry Dvlenk6 - we WERE saying the same thing. I agree with you 100%

Quote - Acadia - a few things.
One - how does the thumbnail you created (thanks for that) even remotely show the scene in which I created.  No sense of the flying horse or the sky or the ocean or the dolphins.
Two - and most importantly - I created a thumbnail with a bikini painted on to cover the breasts in order to appease the nipple police. There is no showing of nipple anywhere and that is why Im pissed.
And the fact they consider a thong "buttock nudity" is laughable. I mean how fucking uptight are we getting here?!
Lastly - your thumb was creative (giving credit where its due) and your statement of "If you don't talk to your cat about catnip..." - love it!!

If you have a nude and/or violent image, and the nudity and/or violence tags are on, you must use a cropped thumbnail. If you have a white bikini on that thumbnail you have in the gallery, I can't see it.  Personally I can still see what looks like nipples and when I look at the thumbnail you have posted, and the actual image itself, they look the same, only different sizes.

You cannot have a nude/violent image and have a reduced scale image for a thumbnail because if your image is "nude", then it stands to reason that the resized image in the thumbnail is also nude.

As far as painting a bikini on a thumbnail that is not in the actual image itself, that can be considered "censor-like thumbnail" and is not permitted.

**The hard and fast rule is that if you have a nude and/or violent image, and the nudity and/or violence tags are on, you must use a cropped thumbnail.

**If you want to have a fully resized thumbnail of the actual image, then you will have to redo your image and add a bikini top and bottom to the figure. Then there will be no need to have a nudity flag and you can then use a resized image as your thumbnail.

And that is why the TOS is full of shit! In saying that I can't represent the picture in its purest sense because I can't have the picture nude and have it faithfully represented with a thumb. The fairest and reasonable way to serve both parties is to allow my to edit the thumb. How is that hurting anyone?
By painting on a bikini top - no one is offended by the nipples - and for the record THERE ARE NO NIPPLES IN MY THUMB. And I get to show the picture in a grand scale.
Asking me to paint the picture I envisioned with a top and bottom on merely to allow me to show it fully in a thumbnail is crazy - I'd rather delete my gallery and go elsewhere.  And rendo can satisfy themselves with their hug clubs and endless pictures of cutsy pie fairys.

I can take the TOS with a grain of salt and abide by the no nudity or violence in the thumb. But now this is just getting anal and needless censorship.

Sorry, I didn't have a hand in making the rules and thankfully I no longer have to see that they are enforced.

All I know from reading the Thumbnail Policy and my brief stint as a co-ordinator, that if you want to have a full depiction of your image in your thumbnail, the image itself cannot have nudity or violence in it.

Why is editing the thumbnail wrong?  I can't give you a valid reason because I personally don't see anything wrong with doing that, however, it's Renderosity's site and they make the rules. And their policy is that they don't want the thumbnail edited to be something else because they consider it "misleading", and have stated that  if you have nudity in the image you have to use a cropped thumbnail.

What I'm failing to understand here though, is having looked at your gallery thumbnails, I see that you have been "creative" and have been following the Thumbnail Policy properly and have some very attractive thumbnails.  Why all of a sudden this protest thread?

You see what is happening here? Great art is being trodden on because of silly censorship rules. PerfectN has created a brilliant image & we are overlooking it because of a damn thumbnail rule. This has happened before. Good art should not be treated this way. How the hell can the nude woman in this image be offensive, Jesus Christ I've had enough!

Quote - You see what is happening here? Great art is being trodden on because of silly censorship rules. PerfectN has created a brilliant image & we are overlooking it because of a damn thumbnail rule. This has happened before. Good art should not be treated this way. How the hell can the nude woman in this image be offensive, Jesus Christ I've had enough!

The image is not offensive.

However it does contain nudity and because it contains nudity has to have a cropped thumbnail.  The image itself is absolutely fine...beautiful in fact.

So far as the thumbnail policy goes and censorship, you can thank the hormone ridden ones who felt that they had to blow up a boob or buttock or crotch so that it filled 200 x 200 pixels worth of space in order to attract views.

Over the years it's gotten worse and worse to the point that almost every second thumbnail being uploaded was a giant boob, a giant nipple, a close up of a butt crack or a crotch.  IMHO the gallery arrival pages were looking like the back of pornographic magazines, and extremely tacky, even to those such as myself who am a nudist and enjoy viewing the naked form and don't use the "No Nudity" filter.

It's not hard to locate the nudes....just look for the strategically cropped thumbs that show lots and lots of breast tissue and is tagged "nudity".

Unfortunately because people showed no self control and it kept getting worse and worse, Renderosity felt a need to put a rule in place to force people to stop.  You know that moderation vs indulgence thing?  Had everyone not jumped on the bandwagon and turned the gallery into the likes of a porn magazine, I doubt that the rule would have ever been made.

EDIT: To fix spelling

Just a thought here. I thought PerfectN did the right thing by Rendo & tried to cover the woman up. Now this bit gets me, this is supposed to mislead people because it doesn't represent the image because she's nude? Just a minute, aren't Rendo misleading us as we are to presume this is a site for artists to express themselves!

Acadia -  the reason why im pissed is because in order to show Rhapsody to its full effect - i.e - on a grand scale with the clouds, ocean, winged horse and dolphins. I can't crop the image to represent it that way. The woman is secondary. The woman for a change (as per my usual images) is not important. With my other pinup work if I can crop it without altering the image. Ill do it. But in this case I simply couldn't do it.
Im further pissed because this is a bullshit rule. It is needless and restrictive. They don't want nudity in the thumb - fine - I can live with that. However allow the artist some room to move.
How the hell is it misleading? If I tag the image with nudity - there is going to be nudity! You don't want to see nudity - to click on my bloody image.
This altering of the thumbnail rule needs to change. It blows.
And Stormchaser, thanks for the compliment.

Quote - we are to presume this is a site for artists to express themselves!

You can still upload your nudes and violent images :)  You just can't have nudity or violence in the thumbnail.  I don't see a problem with that.

Now on the other hand had Renderosity said "ok, no more nudity or violence in the galleries", then yes, I can see that as being censorship.

However, cleaning up the gallery arrival pages so that there are no nudity or violence in them, I do not see as censorship because the thumbnail still leads to the actual "non censored" image.

So the gallery has been changed from cropped images of boobs and crotches to thumbs of fairys and fractals....
Ill take the crotches in my face anyday.
Pun intended.

"So far as the thumbnail policy goes and censorship, you can thank the hormone ridden ones who felt that they had to blow up a boob or buttock or crotch so that it filled 200 x 200 pixels worth of space in order to attract views."
Acadia - That's a good point & I understand how the galleries were looking. I just get annoyed when tasteful nudes are deemed inappropriate. Yes, I know the full image can contain nudity, I just don't see how a tasteful nude thumbnail is not allowed. Well, I can see only one reason to not show nudity here, & that's because of the minors. Any other reason is downright silly. Yes, as you say it can look a little tacky with every thumbnail showing nudes, but I still don't see enough reason in this to stop it. We choose to look or we choose to move on. At the end of the day we are talking about art here, not pornography. They are two very different subjects.

You seem to have your mind pretty firmly made up and nothing I say is going to appease you. So I won't bother to try anymore.

Renderosity is not going to change it back. All we can do is live with it, or not.  Trying to buck the policy by posting the thumbnails regardless, is only going to lead to warnings and eventually bannings.

Quote - ** I just don't see how a tasteful nude thumbnail is not allowed.**

Please try and define the word "tasteful" so that it encompasses each person's individual level of tolerance and opinion.

It's not possible because what is tasteful to you may  not be to me and vice versa.

I'm sure there are many that would consider a close up shot of a giant nipple on a size 99XXX boob  "tasteful", and then there are those that don't.

You cannot have a rule in place that is loosely open to interpretation so Renderosity went with an  "all or nothing" one.  In fact they took the word "Tasteful" out of the thumbnail policy guidelines because after great discussion it was determined that  there is no clear cut definition for it and it's too subjective a term to use because of that.

Everyone please try not to notice the merchant banners that have areolae showing and other fine distinctions.  Thanks in advance.

Acadia - The thing is, & this is me personally. I just don't see how the human form can be distasteful. It beggers belief when I hear that someone is offended by nudity. You say you're a nudist, you surely understand this?

pjz99 - Now you're just being naughty, you'll have me up all night now just waiting for a dirty banner to show up. Now where's that refresh button again?!

Like I said, I don't make the rules here and I no longer have to enforce them. However, I do respect the right of the site owner to determine the rules they want to have in place. I have my own site and I have my own rules for it too.

Acadia - Fair enough. My gripe isn't with you. I'm not really angry with Rendo, as you say it's their site & their rules. I'm just tired of so many rules in life which just don't make any real sense to me. So much expression is lost.

I look at a community forum the same way I do someone's home.

For example let's say that I am a smoker and I go to someone's house and they are nonsmokers and don't want people smoking in their house. Do I disregard their rules and light up regardless of what they want in their own home, or do I respect their right and go outside to have a cigarette? 

I could easily argue that by refusing to allow me to smoke in their home that they are trodding on my rights to smoke, just like they could argue that it's their house and they have a right to put in a no smoking rule.

However, they haven't barred me from smoking on their property, just from smoking inside their home.

I use that smoking example because I am a nonsmoker and I actually had someone do that to me. She knew my home was nonsmoking and she did ask if she could smoke and I told her no and said that she could go downstairs to have one. She said that she didn't want to go downstairs and she opened my livingroom window and lit up a cigarette and said "I'll stand here and the smoke will go outside."  Needless to say she was never invited over again.

Renderosity hasn't barred you from posting nudity and violence....they just ask that you limit it to the actual image and not the thumbnail image.

**Acadia - That actually is a very good example of abiding by the house rules & I agree in principle. I too would have responded like you. **

Yeah, what acadia said!

The thing is that this site is trying to cater to a rather wide audience.
I for one are glad that nudity on thumbnails is limited, because it allows me to cruise the site while at the office, during lunch, withot getting fired for material inappropriate in a workplace (nudity), and also, I can look through things at home without worring about one of the younger teenagers in the house wondering what I'm looking at. There's warning when going from PG to to nudity.
So, with too much nudity, I would not be able to see a lot of good art without nudity (without getting myself fired or in hot water over it).
Also, there's so much friggin' nudity around this site as it is, I'm more intrigued by clothed then nude figures any more.

If boys want to look and nude chicks, doesn't mean they have to be in my face the minute I peek into a gallery. And one has to admit that geat many nudes on this site aren't exactly 'art nudes' and artistic body studies. They are images with rather heavy sexual connotations. Dare I call them sexual fantasy material.
Bottom line is, sexual fantasy material isn't exactly appropriate in a relatively PG environment.

It doesn't have much to do with having a personal distaste for nudes, and everything to do with a lot of people having their own 'house rules' in the environments they are in when viewing the galleries and images.

Pjz99 brought up a good point about vendors too. I almost never look at the marketplace when at work, because of nudity. I can't check out a lot of characters without being bombarded with pubic hairs etc... so, as a result of that, my marketplace browsing time is rather limited. If it weren't, I would have purchased a lot more stuff then I have.

Anyway, I wrote this to offer some perspective for those whom insist on freedom of their expression. Just because they are pushing to express themselves a certain way, it doesn't mean that it will get their expression noticed, heard or appreciated, or that their form of expression is appropriate for the place where they are wanting to express it.

I mean, heck, I could inist on walking around the world naked, everywhere I go, regardless of whether it's socially acceptable or not, and insist that it's a form of an artistic expression, and get mad and cry censorship at everyone that yells at me to put some clothes on. If I did that, most people would think I'm a nutcase.

Conniekat8 - I hear what you & Acadia have said, & in general you are right. We have to abide by the rules, but it doesn't mean we can't have a say.
I know it can be awkward for people when viewing images at work or in front of youngsters, I just don't want some of the great artists on here to go because they feel they can't express themselves without having their images or thumbnails removed.
Oh, & Connie, when you do decide to walk around naked, don't upload any pics here without a cropped thumbnail, you'll have the mods after you, LOL!

have to agree with Conniekat8, have the same (0% tolerance) on nudity, violent images, etc. at work. Also, some spouses might have a bit of a problem with 'idealized' human figures, which having the nudity filter on, keeps marital harmony in accord here (though I have other ways of @#ing up..;)

That being said, I don't have a problem with others doing nudes...I often amuse myself with running a mouse over the 'blocked' box (which shows the number of comments and hits...think about it....208 views and 3 comments...what is that saying?...;)

good art is good art, whatever the model is wearing. Just thought I'd get mine in in case this gets locked..;)

Quote - I for one are glad that nudity on thumbnails is limited, because it allows me to cruise the site while at the office, during lunch, withot getting fired for material inappropriate in a workplace (nudity), and also, I can look through things at home without worring about one of the younger teenagers in the house wondering what I'm looking at. There's warning when going from PG to to nudity.
So, with too much nudity, I would not be able to see a lot of good art without nudity (without getting myself fired or in hot water over it).

This has always been nonsense, and remains nonsense.  There were nudity and violence filters in place long before the thumbnail change.  This change is about making many people cater to the desires of a few people who are actually going out of their way to see nudity (filtering is on by default).

Quote - That being said, I don't have a problem with others doing nudes...I often amuse myself with running a mouse over the 'blocked' box (which shows the number of comments and hits...think about it....208 views and 3 comments...what is that saying?...;)

I've always understood that once the blood drains out of ta guy's head, a girl should not expect much in a way of conversation....  [ducking and running]

Couple of weeks ago I caught a comment on one of the nudes (I do look at them sometimes), a guy saying something to the effect: 
'I'm going to have to run home at lunch after seeing this :P;) if ya know what I mean'

I mean how transparent is that, and I eally don't think rendo is an appropriate place for it (deviant art, perhaps)??? 
LOL, The next thing we'll see is a few guys claiming that the reason for publishing playboy is for the 'Artistic nudes'. I don't have a problem with guys using yank your noodle material, but I do have a bit of an issue calling that 'artistic expression', I just like calling spade a spade, and not pretend it's something else.

Now, penis puppetry, that's borderline artistic expression ;) , and something I may be more interested then in female boobs... but not here on rendo.  There's a time and a place for everything.  

I mean, if I want to make a male morph of a weenie twisted into a knot, then insist on showing a thumbnail of it, if it was taken off, I'd say, yeah, I was pushing the envelope, and someone thought I went overboard. I've pushed enough envelopes to know that occasionally you end up getting a nasty sore little papercut. You suck it up and move on. It goes with the envelope pushing territory.

Well, okay, I'm off the soapbox here before I get thrown off....

Quote - This has always been nonsense, and remains nonsense.  There were nudity and violence filters in place long before the thumbnail change.  This change is about making many people cater to the desires of a few people who are actually going out of their way to see nudity (filtering is on by default).

I actually like that policy change, because now I don't have to turn the thumbnails off... and I don't have to look over my shoulder to see if anone is snooping behind my back in the office and seeing a boob... or a large NUDITY ADVISORY label.  LOL, that label was more alarming and serious looking then seeing a boob lurking in a thumbnail.

I'd have an easier time explaining a boob flashing thumbnail by saying, oooh, how'd that get in there, then a repeating series of  'NUDITY ADVISORY' series of tumbnails.

Plus, images containing nudity are still required to be labeled as nudity, so whomever is going out of their way to see nudity still has a little hook they can follow.

Anyway, I don't mean to be combative, I just have a different outlook and opinions on those things.

[I'm off the soapbox, for real this time... I think...]

Quote - LOL, that label was more alarming and serious looking then seeing a boob lurking in a thumbnail.

As you say, your problem may have been with the Content Advisory thumbnail (which Rendo provides).  So it makes all kinds of sense to force thousands of users to conform to an obtrusive, irritating policy rather than change the Rendo default thumbnail.

Two things.

First, how many more times do I have to bring up the idea of a separate nudity gallery before someone will finally say "Well holy dawgshit! Tha's a good idear!". Y'kno, one gallery for nonoffensive material and one for nudity/violence. I mean c'mon, how hard can this be to do?
And with the nudity gallery you post an opening page with all the disclaimers intact. Stuff like:  "HEY STOOPID!!! You're about to enter an area overrun with tits and buttcheeks! So you is on yer own once you hit that enter button! DO NOT blame us(Rendo) for losing an eye(or your job/wife) when you view the xtra-special-cheese-sauced-nipples-of-death. We warned you!"
Now this would seem like a good rational idea but, since this site doesn't belong to me then I suppose Rendo can run it however they want.

Second, this comes in the form of a rant that I hope to god will piss off at least one person!
I now must inquire as to just what the fuck is so important on the internet that some people just HAVE to browse at work?  What? Are these people so impatient that they just can't wait to get home to view their latest dose of jackoff material? Come on!! Unless your boss is paying you to actually browse at your leisure... well then, maybe you shouldn't! As for me, I have an occasional side job that is quite simply called "internet research". This involves the use of a company computer and guess what sites I visit? You betcha, NOT Renderosity, NOT myspace, NOT daz3D, and NOT even porn! Hell, I don't even check my personal email. Why? Maybe it's because that not what I'm being paid to do! Novel concept, eh? 
And as for those lunch break addicts, try this: actually get your lazy ass up and away from your desk. Do something constructive. Eat your lunch elsewhere, tidy up your work area, take a walk or ...heh-heh...go to the john and beat off(at least some part of you will be getting things done)! 
Now some of you out there are indeed, unfortunate enough to be living with an insecure spouse who quite dependably shits a gold brick every time they catch you looking at V3's boobies or M3's package. Well, bad news, this is NOT renderosity's problem. So complaining to them about gallery/MP thumbs and banners is at best...RETARDED!!
Take some responsibility into your life for once and quit-yer-bitchin' about how un-visually-friendly this site is to view at work! Or... as pjz99 pointed out... try using the goddamn filters for once!!!

@PerfectN : Sorry to hijack your thread, man! That render is an excellent piece of work! Too bad the thumb you posted caused the death of 10,000 nuns and orphans in Zimbabwe! Tsk-tsk, shame on you!

Quote - As you say, your problem may have been with the Content Advisory thumbnail (which Rendo provides).  So it makes all kinds of sense to force thousands of users to conform to an obtrusive, irritating policy rather than change the Rendo default thumbnail.

Now, wait, you udidn't tell me we're looking for rules to make sense :tt2:
The more I look for things to make sense, the more I drive myself crazy!

Quote - First, how many more times do I have to bring up the idea of a separate nudity gallery before someone will finally say "Well holy dawgshit! Tha's a good idear!".

Well, holy fresly cleaned litterbox, I go to renderotica for thaaaat!
There's also raunchyminds
But I don't go there when at work or when someone is looking.

As for browsing while at work... I actually do 3D at work too, and often come to rendo (and few other 3D related places)  to learn a thing or two, and sometimes to purchase content we use in some of the visualizations. And no, nudes aren't the kind of 3D I do at work.

Now, speaking of responsibility, take some for yourself and do your homework about what why and whom and how you fit into it before being presumptious running yer yapper and telling people what to do. Pay very close attention to the first three letters in a word ASSumption.
Just because one clod is a Poser hobbyist, doesn't mean everyone is.

"Well, holy fresly cleaned litterbox, I go to renderotica for thaaaat!
There's also raunchyminds.com
But I don't go there when at work or when someone is looking."
Soo... what your saying, I'm ASSuming, is that you don't look at nudity here...right? By suggesting a separate nudity gallery, I'm talking about what's allowed here, NOT what renderotica allows. In fact, renderotica has NOTHING to do with my suggestion. Period.

"As for browsing while at work... I actually do 3D at work too, and often come to rendo (and few other 3D related places)  to learn a thing or two, and sometimes to purchase content we use in some of the visualizations. And no, nudes aren't the kind of 3D I do at work."
Wow! You actually get paid to occasionally browse Renderosity and use their MP? Do you have ANY idea how many people ENVY you! I do! That is too freakin' cool!!  This totally excuses you from the "Browsing at work rant" that I posted above.

As for the last bit that you wrote, I'm still trying to uncross my eyes after reading that severely run-on sentence. Don't ASSume I'm poking fun at your grammar because... actually... I AM!!!
Seriously, you missed the whole point of that rant, which is... it was a RANT. Better yet, it was an opinion based NOT on ASSumptions but, on all of the complaints that I constantly see from other users in this forum. Remember, it was an opinion and opinions are never right nor wrong. They are just opinions.

Now, as for telling other people what to do, I never do that unless I plan to tell them to do just the opposite of what they really should do. Why? Well, have you ever given someone some good, sane advice...only to have them ignore your suggestions and go right on with what they originally planned? Maddening, isn't it?

"Just because one clod is a Poser hobbyist, doesn't mean everyone is."
How did you know that I'm a clod?

"the idea of a separate nudity gallery"
 
I think that we would then see the same complaints about a TOS that relegates nudes to the nude gallery, as in, "Why was my image moved to the nude gallery?"

tn other words, right now we have a TOS that says "no nude thumbnails," and there are complaints from people that the TOS is enforced incorrectly, arbitrarily, or unfairly.

If the TOS said "nudes have to be in the nude gallery," we would inevitably see the same kind of complaints.  "Is that a nipple?"  "No, I don't see a nipple." Et al.

Please understand I am not criticizing people who posts nudes (like myself), or people that complain about the TOS in principle or practice. I just don't think a nude gallery would solve anything.

How they spot some thumbnails a surprise while in a heavy ebay bidding session last night i posted a picture, musta been up 10 hours.
This morning i realised i put a nude thumb up by mistake and took picture down to repost with correct thumbnail, so they must check every so often posted pic's.

The idea of a separate gallery sounds good in theory....

Some people post nudes in the tradition of classic art, some in the tradition of pinup art, and some just pose nekkid women. Regardless, some viewers/commenters just see nekkid women (men) and can't make the distinction. So, you may post a "classic art" type render and have to tolerate one idiot that doesn't get the inappropriateness of his response, amidst others who are looking at artistic merit. In a separate nude only gallery, all restraint would, I think, vanish.

The separate gallery idea is a complete surrender to the notion that a nude render may be art, it tucks it away in it's own little shameful corner.

The question was asked why an altered thumbnail would be removed.  The likely reason is because an altered thumbnail  is considered a misrepresentation of the work.  Someone views the the thumbnail and thinks they're going to see a girl in a white bikini riding a white pegasi.  They click on it and they get something different.  Rendo then gets a complaint.  Which then sets up the damned-if-you-do-and-damned-if-you-don't.  Create a thumbnail that is a true and accurate representaion of the work and you're in violation of the TOS, create an altered thumbnail to meet the TOS and you're still in violation.  Which is one of the reasons I don't post to the gallereies.  Too many conflicts in their TOS.

Quote - The separate gallery idea is a complete surrender to the notion that a nude render may be art, it tucks it away in it's own little shameful corner.

I'm with you on that.

MISSION STATEMENTThe mission of Renderosity is to create a thriving, productive environment that encourages an atmosphere of community, respect, collaboration, and growth for graphic artists, digital artists, animators, photographers and writers of all backgrounds and levels. We are a community created by artists, for artists ... Because The Art Matters!

Rendo's own "mission statement"

I like that last bit, pity they don't stand by it!!

Quote - Now, as for telling other people what to do, I never do that unless I plan to tell them to do just the opposite of what they really should do. Why? Well, have you ever given someone some good, sane advice...only to have them ignore your suggestions and go right on with what they originally planned? Maddening, isn't it?

Poke all you want at my english, it's not my native language. Actually I never had a single lesson in it. :tt2: So the joke is on you-again. When you lear my native language, I'll be lurking to poke fun at you.  (Actually, I won't, I'm not that mean, but it was fun saying it.)

As for giving advice and it not being litsened to being maddening. Not at all. I don't give advice with the expectation that the person at whom the advice is directed is going to be receptive to it and stroke my ego by taking it or being grateful for it etc.... Most people aren't receptive to good advice when they could use it the most. It's a pretty normal thing. It again comes back to the realm of personal responsibility. This time having responsibility for one's own feelings.

As for looking at Nudity here, I do look at it, when the time and the place is appropriate.  However, I don't particularly care to see so much nudity on renderosity that the only time I can safely log on when the time and place for nudity is appropriate.
As for a separate gallery for nudity, I don't  think that's a good solution. However imperfect, I'm actually fine with the way things are right now. I don't have such a huge need to create and exhibit nudes to feel stifled by rendo's rules on nudity. Also, I think there's a lot of artistic human body studies and renderings that can be made without showing nipples or pubic hair and such. Many times it's more appealing to leave a few things to the immagination.

Well give me a scantily clad lady over a nude one anyday!!