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Bryce Forum Special Challenge - New & Old

Let's take some time to remember 2007 & celebrate 2008, reflect on our previous Bryce Moderator AgentSmith & Welcome the two new Bryce Forum Staff, bobbystahr & ICM, 
and finally Create Expressive Imagery with our versatile Bryce.

Challenge Starts Monday, January 7th 2008, and ends Thursday, January 31st 2008 midnight.

Winners will be Announced Thursday, February 7th 2008.

Subject Theme

 "New & Old". This is pretty open to interpretation.

"New" could be an unopened present, a shiny new watch, a newborn baby, a sunrise which is the start of a new day, a plant just breaking the surface of the ground.

"Old" could be an Old house, something discarded in the trash or forgotten in an attic, maybe an Elder rocking on a porch.

The More Creative the better. 

Prizes:

There are 2 Prize Categories, Yes you guessed it, "New" for Bryce 6 users, and "Old" for Bryce 5 and  previous version  users. Be sure to note in your comments what version you used to create the image because the winner in each category will receive a Prize.

The Prize for each Category Winner will be a $25.00 Renderosity Gift Certificate.
Once the winners are announced, their user accounts will be credited with the Gift-Certificate. 

Entry Specifications:

• Image size must be a maximum of 800x800 pixels [72 dpi]
• Thumbnail Image: MUST be included 100x100pixels Here is a helpful tutorial on How to make Full Image Thumbnails
• Both the Full size image and the thumbnail are required
• All image must comply with Renderosity's Terms of Service for thumbnails.
• By uploading your image you are agreeing that this is your original work.

(Post work & imports are allowed, but remember this is a Bryce Challenge)

(Judges will be announced Soon)

Create and Mostly, HAVE FUN!!

Good one Rod...

How to do my head in, with one post.

So, do we have to do 2 renders, one about New and one about Old?
or
One render that takes in the Old & the New?
or
Old in Bryce 5.? - NEW in Bryce 6.?

Sorry but I got problems sequencing.

LOL, You shoulda tried to write this puppy. I had to proof read it a hundred times.

One Image, Either Old or New....

...Whichever Version of Bryce you have or choose to use, 6+, or 5.5 and previous. List the one you used.

  - - - - - -

(hang on another sip of coffee)

Yup,  that's it.

Can  admin enter LOL

OOOPSTY.....

EDIT:

Anyone Can Enter;  All Members including Admins,Mods,Coords.

(whew!!)

LOL thanks

So you can't do an image combining old and new?

Sure, Sounds really Creative to me

But I would think it would have to be judged from the most recent ver. number as the catagories are Old and New.....A lot of folks may want to use objects they created in pre 6 in their New entry and in that respect it becomes a 6[New] entry object...rendered in 6 = New......rendered pre 6 = Old.....IMHO.. ...

@ bobby: Exactly

My initial reason for setting 2 judging categories was that Bryce 6 has some advantages over the previous versions, thus Bryce 6 entries will only be judged against other Bryce 6 entries, and the same for previous versions.
So, whatever Engine your final image is rendered in, regardless of the models you use or what version you created the textures in, the Final Factor is the Rendering Version.
I've created B5 files, re-rendered & tweaked them in B6, then rendered them in B6. These would fall into B6 judging.

The Subject matter (Content) matters not in the judging, it's only the theme.

I thought Frans question was pertaining to subject (theme) matter. Old Ring+a new Weddingdress, that sort of thing. Please correct me if I misread this.

Just one more Q, (not that it matters to me, I barely have time to do one render), but it is only one entry per person correct?

ps Sounds like a lot of fun, hope I can find some time to work on it.

Why would you want to render in Ver. 5.x when you have Ver. 6.x ?.. ...

"Why would you want to render in Ver. 5.x when you have Ver. 6.x ?.. ..."   I render animations occasionally in Bryce5 because that version will still allow you to animate materials and terrains/lattices which I can use either in Bryce or in other apps. As far as I know this feature is still "broken" in Bryce6. I'm sure ver.6 with its HDRIs and image-based lighting can still give you a superior render for still images.

Ok question do you have to model your own stuff or can you use some models you have gotten as I don't model LOL

Quote - @ bobby: Exactly

My initial reason for setting 2 judging categories was that Bryce 6 has some advantages over the previous versions, thus Bryce 6 entries will only be judged against other Bryce 6 entries, and the same for previous versions.
So, whatever Engine your final image is rendered in, regardless of the models you use or what version you created the textures in, the Final Factor is the Rendering Version.
I've created B5 files, re-rendered & tweaked them in B6, then rendered them in B6. These would fall into B6 judging.

The Subject matter (Content) matters not in the judging, it's only the theme.

I thought Frans question was pertaining to subject (theme) matter. Old Ring+a new Weddingdress, that sort of thing. Please correct me if I misread this.

That's exactly what I meant, Rod - the theme.  Thanks.  I immediately had an idea when I first saw the description of the theme - as you said, and old and new in one image. 

I often use 5.5 because the 'object import' is still broken in B6 - any version.  In that imported objects arrive totally black and take no notice of the .mtl file - if you put an green colour or an orange or whatever colour you like onto a face in Wings, B6 will show that 'colour' as (usually) pink - but only when you soop up the diffuse.  B5.5 however shows the model with the correct colours.

B6 does have much better lighting do I often render in that when I want a particularly good end result.

*I often use 5.5 because the 'object import' is still broken in B6 - any version.

*?? Works for me....I got B6 and I can import stuff.
:b_confused:

It does sound like an image contest and not a modeling contest to me so it seems as if you can pretty well use anything model wise you have. I know I'm using some items I made previously in another app as I still can't model worth a damn with booleans.. ...

I don't ever recall us having a modelling contest; 'cept when me and Draculaz went head to head on the Crystal Palace, and of course when Danamo raised his head above the parapet for the Flying Scotsman thing.....

Our monthly challenges are usually 'get in on the screen anyway you can' kinda thing.

great thanks all

@ Bryster...yup..that's the impression I had as well...tho a modeling comp might be fun...It may just be the push I need....hmmmm, it advanced my ability in Imagine even tho I never came close to winning there so it could be fun here as well.. ...

So if you make an antique in Bryce 6 is it new or old?

Yes

LOL.. ...

*CONTEST LINK IN FIRST POST

You mean your wings models do not appear looking like this in B6?

Hmmm... I think I'm having another idea on this challenge now...

Fran,  I've imported from Poser5 into Bryce 6 with no mat problems other than Bryce says it can't find the mats but they all work out okay anyhow.

Well sometimes Poser 7 obj's crash Bryce 6.1 for me sometimes they don't not sure why LOL

If you import from Daz into Bryce6 - this also fixes the black import problem - but my point is that in Bryce5 - an extra step like that wasn't necessary - therefore Bryce6 is broken.

Hmmm, Sandy, that's a puzzling one.  But luckily for me I don't have Poser7. (baskes in that knowledge) Lol.

Um... I was just wondering - there's an update to Bryce 6.1 - I wondered if that would fix your problem?

There's some very odd numbering going on with bryce after B6, so all I was told (with my black import problem) was to reset the B6 in my download history at DAZ - and the newest version of B6 point whatever would be available.

If it was, it was renumbered as B6, not B6.1 or B6.1.14.whatever - just plain b6.

Naturally the black import was NOT fixed....

But you still might want to give it a go...

Well I just redid it about a month ago lol and still have that problem. I don't use DazStudio that much so not sure. I still think them messing with the code to include the DazStudio has caused problems with it.

Fran: I don't use wings. Only Heretics use wings. Wings is not on the list of Blessed Apps...However, and theres' a reason for this....you could try exporting FROM wings in a different format.

Cardinal Bryster

Dear Cardinal Bryster,

Yes sir, your worshipfullness.  I will immediately try exporting from the great heretic app in something other than .obj.

(following the big green book of Cardinal Fang, "Ways to keep on CB's best side and avoid certain nasty, hot, pointy implements, aka The Soft Cushion")

At last!!! A woman who knows her place in my world!

:tt2::tt2::tt2::tt2::tt2::tt2:

I am fervently hoping some of this chatter leads to more entries in Old and New....LOL.. ...

Quote - At last!!! A woman who knows her place in my world!

:tt2::tt2::tt2::tt2::tt2::tt2:

Of course the little fact that you knew something about a heretical app that I didn't... is slightly suspicious.

Not because I didn't, but because *you **did!

***strolls off nonchalently

It's all about "know thy enemy"... art of warfare.

So... There is a special place for woman in the bryce world? I didn't know that.

Yes, it's at the top...

Right! 
I thought so!

Good, so remember that.  (severely)

Lol

Always prefer that myself....someone to blame....LOL.. ...

That's what underlings are for.

But you said to do it that way boss.....is how I, thru my migraine, meant it...off to bed with a cold pack for te rest of 2 day now..see y'all t'morra.. ...

Lol!

Hope your migraine gets better soon - or rather I hope that now - it being tomorrow by the time you read this - that you are better.

As long as she's willing to do the work I don't mind a woman being on top.

Back to the subject at hand however... I've had things come in black before. It was usually because the ambient setting was 3 or some such low number, not because the maps or color were actually gone. I can often ungroup then crank the values up to 90 to fix it. Just be sure to do it out of the way of other objects in the scene. It's easier to grab everything and regroup it afterwords.

Migraine gone....pain the a** still there, tho mychiropractor seems to think he can get it out.. ...

**Well I don't think it's that the colour maps are gone exactly just that in B6  they are ignored and in B5.5 they are used.

For instance...

Here the image shows the cube as made in wings (inset) and the cube with the ambience all the way down to nothing is on the left and the one with the ambience all the way up to full is on the right - both as you see are dead black - this is in B6.

Now what you won't realise is that the side of the cube that appears to be bright green - is actually the pink side in wings.  The top (here pink,) is actually meant to be yellow, and the side facing left, which looks purple - is actually the orange side.

The way they should do.

Phew!  - Bobby, glad your migraine's better, just saw your post while replying to electroglyph.

You know, it's almost like B6 is using negative colours - the way Bryce produces colours under negative intensity light... isn't that odd.

P.S. if I'm at the top, I believe in delegating the work load. *cracks big whip.

That darn division by negative one! Get's em every time. 

Don't get me started on booleans and terrains  and animating materials while you are at it. There is a lot of busted stuff in B6. Now I'm getting a migrane. 

You are talking about material definitions not image maps right? Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking you ment textures like you slap on a Vicki. You are talking about actually setting the object color in the mat file. I think this is something DAZ will have to fix.