I've a download for 4.2, but it is only for Daz/studio.
...again another disappointment.
I can see xenophonz point on being happy for every new upgrade, but on the other hand why can't they just wait to anounce it before it's completely finished, checked, double-checked and wrapped up.

Bopprrr.

Because it's Daz.

They said they would try not to have this happen again, 5 days ago. Oops.

Here's a quick pic for you all....

He'll be out in the next 2 weeks. No cost to previous Vittorio purchasers.

Ignore the pants please. They're an early freebie with a bad texture on them :)

pdxjims, that's one sweet looking guy!!!

2/14/08

pdxjims:

Will Vittorio 4.2 be a set of injections for V 4.2 or a separate OBJ file encoded to V 4.2? If it is a separate injection, will it be usable with the morphia OBJ (this would be particularly favorable)? Will Vittorio 4.2 take the texture files for V 4.2 male? If you will be offering a new OBJ, will it accept the Basic Moprhs, Morphs++, and Muscle Morphs of V 4.2, like Morphia does? Will there be, among other morphs, a Vittorio morph like the Male morph in V 4.2 (so that the other morphs can be used for a greater variety in female characters)?

The V 4.2 model still has the same defects for scaling as Aiko and Hiro. That is, scaling in the chest, collars, and or shoulders distorts the mesh (badly in some cases). Unfortunately, only a lengthen leg morph is offered, when lengthen arms, torso and neck are also needed (and probably widen and deepen chest). At least there is a separate morph to scale the hands as with Aiko/Hiro to avoid the unrepaired defect in scaling David 3’s hands. As others have noted, there is no morph yet to fix the primate toes of the V 4.2 figure, and as with previous figures, scaling the toes separately breaks the foot and shin. If there is time in your busy development schedule, might you consider morphs to cover these deficiencies?

The present set of morphs (including those in morphia, which is compatible with the Basic 4.2, Morphs++ 4.2 and Muscle Morphs 4.2) do a great job for creating a wide variety of appearances for women. But, the male morphs leave a lot to be desired. One almost has to pose the figure and then morph it because posing easily distorts the posed figure. I guess one might say the morphs are brittle when altering a female figure to a male form and then posing it. Some things are missing. The breasts do not convincingly morph to look male. It is hard to thicken the neck, or simulate an adam’s apple (trachea). The definition morph is just not as good as the David 3 definition morph. There are no real tendon morphs (as available for Michael 3’s wrists and hands).

I know that one product will not provide everything that we might want. Perhaps Ghost of MacBeth will also make some morphs for us to use and enjoy. Regardless, I am looking forward to Vittorio 4.2, but don’t rush.

LMK

PS – if it will help, I will pay for a copy of Vittorio 4.2 for PhilC to make sure that his tools and utilities perfectly support this enhancement. LMK

Unlike the first 2 versions of Vit 4, Vittorio 4.2 WILL be injection morphs and not a separate .cr2. This will make it easier using Wardrobe Wizard, since one can now analyze the morphs and then convert.

Plus, as with the previous versions, should be a set of male specific muscle morphs to help cut a better figure.

-- Jeff

The new version should work the way any other V4 injection works in PhilC's utilities. The new version is an injection system for V4, rather than a new .cr2 file. It works like the Creature Creator or V4 Muscular morphs work, and uses the say type of system. If you can use PhilC's sets with the V4 Muscle or Creature morphs, then you'll be able to use them for Vittorio.

On resizing, the V4 stretches and sizes included will work with the new Vittorio the same way they do on V4. ChestSize really helps on a male, and it works fine. I've also added an ArmsStretch and NeckStretch morph, that V4 doesn't have. These are morphs rather than resizes along a scale, so they work a little better than a straight resize. They aren't perfect though, and you will get some minor problems with the joints on them. It's the nature of the Poser beast.

Male from female figures... hmmmm... the problem with them is mostly with the JP's. It becomes tough, mostly on the shoulders to get a nice T-shape. I include a few morphs to compensate for those problems. I also include male muscular morphs that morph the figure to more masculine muscled look. I also have "muscle bulk" morphs to increase the heavier weight set of a man.

Will Vittorio help with female characters? You bet! I'm including 15 male face morphs, as well as a number of other head morphs. Some of these are gender-neutral, while others, like the male faces, can be used to change the face structure of a woman in ways the Daz morphs don't. Also, some morphs can be dialed to a negative for some nice effect. The "Smoothed Mouth" morphs, set at a negative, give a beautiful pursed, almost classic bow lip. And the muscle morphs I include, when applied to V4 with no male morph, give a much more dramatic look than the Daz muscle morphs.

I've also included some body characters that will add some interesting looks. I've got 3 Bishounen type characters that look pretty good. And more that I can't talk about yet. Lots of face characters too.

On the male side, all my Vittorio morphs can be used in combination with the Daz male morph. I'm not really fond of the base Daz V4 male body, but in combination with a few Vittorio morphs it really adds a lot. And I love the very masculine Dav V4 male faces. I use them in some of my face characters combined with my Vittorio morphs for a more rugged look than I had in previous versions of Vittorio.

I'm almost done with him. A couple of .cr2 tweeks, incorporating a couple of last minute faces, and finishing up the new clothing set I'm including in the update. BTW, the new clothing will have a morph to fit them to the Daz Male morphs (not resized). So far I've got a pair of jeans and a tank top done. I'm working on a pair of loafers and maybe a long sleeve pullower shirt to go with it too. My new texture set is all done too. It's a lot better than the one I included with the old version. I will be including the old versions of the textures too though. All the extras in the old package will be included in the new one.

Extras: A pose for M3's genitals to fit Vittorio, clothing, a rather simple skullcap type hair (think a burr cut look), pits and pubes conforming figure, and probably some more stuff I've forgotten. It's a BIG package. There are also a few things I can't discuss yet, but that I think you guys will like when you see them.

And don't forget all the Vittorio freebies I've done. Everything from Sci-Fi to Fantasy to street clothing to a Chippendale's type stripper set. There's some 3rd party clothing and items out there for him too. And Lyrra has a great magnet set that will convert any V4 female clothing to him. I know, I know... everyone thinks about dresses when I say that, but there's some really nice sci-fi, fantasy, and slacks/shirts available that look great as male clothing.

OK, I'm in a race against time to finish this set, and the clock is ticking. Back to work.

Oh, here's a quick pic of the new clothing so far. Textures aren't final, and the render is a quick throw off for testing, but you can get the idea.

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There are LOTS of past Vittorio freebies: Joinery, Comic Wizzard Hat, Armor base, Base clothing (shirt, slippers, pants), Gamers set (shirt, shorts, boots, pants, hat, sword, sheild, bracers, 2 sets of earrings, battle axe), Fantasy set (sandals, helmet, sword, Wizard Robe, harness, bracers, fantasy skirt), Leather/Western set (Chaps/pants, armbands, vest, western hat, scarf, wristbands, baseball cap, boots, harness2). Persian Boy (pants, shorts, slippers, chain wristbands, vest, and hat). Singlet (more to come). Stripper set (posing pouch and collar). Pirate Set (Pants, shirt, boots, bracer, hook, headwrap, earrings, necklace, and eyepatch). The dynamic bodysuit. The full harness and hood. Vittorio 4 hairly male textures. Fig leaves for Vittorio and V4. Mountain lion texture and morphs. Street clothing pants and muscle shirt. Harlequin set. T-Shirt and shorts. Male Cheerleader. Lion Textures for Vittorio and the Creature Creator.

2/14/08

pdxjims, don’t let me distract you.

Vittorio 4.2 WILL be an injected morphs package. That’s good to hear. It will be much easier to inject morphs than to relearn how to use RTE decoder again. And hopefully, injectable morphs can be used in other specialty CR2s.

For my part, I really do not mind long lists of morphs. In fact, I unashamedly make my figures bowlegged carrying the excess weight of extra morphs. I love versatility and I like a semblance of realism. I will turn dials for hours to achieve just the right character. I like having more than one or two meshes available because one can achieve a broader range of appearance. Most of my scenes include several figures, and I don’t want the characters to look like they are all from the same family.

The morphs now available for V 4.2 show an average (somewhat adequate) understanding of the underlying bone, muscle and fat anatomy of women. Women have thinner bones and muscles (with fewer muscle cells), and bulk is more often due to fat tissue. Consequently the muscles in women tend to be more uniform in their diameter from one end to the other. They do not tend to have bulges in their muscles. One can see this in the V 4.2 biceps, which, even when morphed larger and when using the flex morphs available, are longer and with less of a bulge than M3, D3, or even H3 Realistic. This is realistic for women, but not for men. The forearm muscles, however, strangely bulge (way too much) at the end near the elbow (proximal forearm). This is not characteristic for men or women.

The creators of the Poser and G2 figures seem to know that the outer appearance of the body is achieved by covering other structures with skin. Unfortunately, the underlying structures they simulate are not anatomically plausible. Their figures look best when completely covered with cloths. Some other available figures look like dents were made in a firm body part (arm, leg, abdomen) to subtly suggest the underlying structures of bone, muscle, tendons, etc. The end result is that higly morphed characters look less and less realistic. DAZ’s figures tend to look more anatomically correct to me.

I like the morphs available (in Morphia I think) to thicken or thin the elbow and knees. Many of DAZ’s previous figures had large upper arms, and large lower arms connected by jointed soda straw elbows. For the time being I suppose tendons and some other features will just have to be added with bump/displacement maps.

I am glad to see that there will be an arm and neck stretch morph. Sadly; V 4.2 also lacks a torso stretch morph. While the hip and abdomen can be scaled using the “y” scale, the chest is not as versatile. Scaling the chest with any “x/y/z” scales can break the shoulders. A “tall/short” body morph, like barbarian or voluptuous, probably would be the best way to go. Then minor variations could be achieved with other morphs, and might not break adjacent body parts so badly.

Note: Some of the morphs (Basic, Morphs++, Morphia and Muscles) for v $.2 can have their dial settings altered, and still produce decent results by pushing them beyond the programmed parameters.

The chest morphs apparent in the renders pdxjims shared look more convincingly male than I could achieve with V 4.2. My attempts looked more like flat chested men with gynecomastia (man breasts). For $7.99, I think I may go ahead and buy Vittorio now, to avoid the rush when he is released.

LMK

...boy... I love the phrase "avoid the rush when he is released"... (grin). I don't expect it though. While it would be nice, Vittorio is more a labor of love. I advise you to wait though. The current Vittorio is RTEncoded, and it won't be that long until I release the update.

Working on some face morphs now. I got a bit sidetracked when I accidentally turned a dial to the negative instead of positive and got the most beautiful V4 female face. I may have to save this one for my next V4 female morph set.

Tonight I'll be doing some loafers and a couple of other smaller clothing items. Shoes are easy, since they don't really need morphs. Then it's a major make-or-break test, packaging, new promos and readmes. I hate doing readmes and promos. Other people can do the most wonderful pictures of Vittorio, and my posing and rendering skills don't show him off to his best advantage.

If things go well, I'll be submitting the update to the store on Sunday night, and start pressuring for fast-track testing.

Back to work...

Jim

Thanks for the update, Jim. And the new clothing set really rocks :) 

With the V4 male morph now made public, the mention of Vittorio is all over DAZ forums, since many jump in and add in their previous experience with the earlier incarnations. So, there actually might be a "rush to buy" Vittorio 4.2, since many don't care for the softer male that V4 becomes with the single DAZ male morph.

Can't wait for that email :) 

Best of luck finishing him. I'm looking forward to trying out the new dials.

-- Jeff

Hey all, I'm quasi new to Poser... I got it for Christmas and haven't had too much time to play around with it so I'm wondering which version of Victoria I should be getting now that 4.2 is out?  I was thinking about getting 4.1 but once I had some money saved up, all of a sudden they released 4.2.  Should I get 4.1 which seems to have a lot more things available for it or wait awhile for 4.2 to be a little more supported?

Winterclaw,

V4.2 is V4. The changes between lower versions make no difference to most users. In fact, if you buy V4, you get V4.2. You can't even buy V4.1 anymore.

Just about everything released for V4, V4.1, and V4.2 should work with V4.2.

Ah, okay thanks.  It's just when poking around the forums I've seen people saying they like using 4.0 over 4.1 or vice versa and was wondering if there was a big difference between the versions.

That's due to the poor way/problems that arised with having to upgrade. That and because she's another update that is needed that fixed a coupleof issues and all new Daz figures will be Based off of her.

You should have no problems.

I really don't understand how you can be interested by this mesh... V4, V4.1 or V4.2 are just ugly lookings!!! Even while using every morphs V4 continue to look like every others V4 model... her bull neck impossible to stretch out is the most creepy symptom (and I don't speak about her stupid juvenile face).
In my opinion, it's a waste of money and nothing more. V3 with her bad joints is still a lot better... V4 is probably the worst product made for Poser, I had more fun with V2 than with this new ugly mesh (number 0 1 or 2).
Don't forget that something's new is not necessarily better...

Yes, but nothing new is never better.

2/15/08

DAZ should turn out products that have less flaws, but no company can do everything for every customer. We have to do some things for ourselves.

Unhide the "X,Y,Z" scaling dials for the neck. The neck will not tolerate "TOO" much scaling, but it can be made thinner and longer.

I will try to push the limit of this and post a pick when I get home, but no promises.

LMK

Thanks Tashar... I didn't know that it was conflicts.  BTW, I agree newer isn't always better but I don't have anything besides what shipped with poser and a few freebies.

V4.2 is not in my available downloads at DAZ, and Valentine's Day is over.
(There is only the V4 with ton of accessories that I finally just bought last week.)
I just got 3 new characters for V4.1 that I really like.
I've never used Aiko, and don't plan to anytime soon. (She might be dandy, but I don't have time these days)
I'm gosh-darned if I know why I would even need a male morph for V4 anyway.
I would really like to get some V4 creature morphs down the road, but I hear that is precisely what can cause problems in the uninstall/reinstall department.
I will uninstall V4.1 when snow is 2 feet deep in Hell, not knowing why I should even bother to put myself through that grief.
This hobby is supposed to be fun. Grrrrrrr. :-(
For those capable of understanding all this, I salute you.
You are a superior carbon based life form than I.

Unhide the X/Y/Z Scale dials on the neck and stretch it 150%. This breaks the back of V 4.2's head.

Front.

Side.

With Hair.

With Morphs++ Neck Thickness morph at maximum.

With Morphia++ Thickness, and Morphia Thin Neck at maximum.

Might this be long and thin enough?

LMK

I became a member of ArtZone two days ago, found V4.2 in my Downloads at Daz today, and spent the last 15 minutes working on this male face morph using only the including dials. I have to say, it wasn't particularly difficult to achieve a fairly passable male face.

If anyone is interested, I'm more than happy to share it.

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Unhide the X/Y/Z Scale dials on the neck and stretch it 150%. This breaks the back of V 4.2's head.

Front.

Thanks, yes I already tried this: to cheat a little it's ok but this reveals V4 traps ridiculy atrophied, then by trying to increase the traps you realize the dial make grown the entire trapezius (including the middle part)... then V4 become hunchbacked and more ridiculous with her adolescent body! :-o
For me it's obvious that V4 is the worst mesh ever made. The creators seems to never have study the basic human anatomy... and what to say about her face..? :-(

Quote - Just thought I'd add a male perspective...so to speak :)

I became a member of ArtZone two days ago, found V4.2 in my Downloads at Daz today, and spent the last 15 minutes working on this male face morph using only the including dials. I have to say, it wasn't particularly difficult to achieve a fairly passable male face.

If anyone is interested, I'm more than happy to share it.

You should read carrefuly the TOS of ArtZone!!! Everything you post there is no more your property... I saw a big post about this at Daz's forums.

They changed the TOS, didn't you get an email from them in the last 24hrs about it?

That's a great face, ClawShrimp!  I have a friend who looks like that.

Bopper

He looks a bit like Michael Berryman, not that that's a bad thing.

2/16/08

pdxjims:

Now that we know that PoserPros will be closed by the end of this month, where are you planning to sell Vittorio 4.2?

LMK

Well, I add my nice experience. I installed V4.2 in my P7 directory (although all my stuff is in my P6 folder)

I opened P7 and tried the new doll. Really minimum differences. Almost all morphs aren't loaded (only the male ones, I tried them and the look is bad for me, V4's male bros but without interest). No expressions, all out of model (in a Morphs folder, in a pure old V3 style)

Oh, but then troubles started. I loaded V4.1 for a scene, and I found P7 loads V4.2!!! If I used P6, V4.1 loaded in all her (morphs) splendor, but if I loaded V4.1 in P7, I obtained V4.2!!! And... when I was used her, P7 crashed once, twice... AND MY WINDOWS XP TOO

So finally, lots of P7 and Windows crashes after, I uninstalled the idiotic gal and I'm trying to recover my system (fortunetely I have two computers)

Long live V4.1, death to V4.2 :cursing:

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You should read carrefuly the TOS of ArtZone!!! Everything you post there is no more your property... I saw a big post about this at Daz's forums.

Pics included?

Casette thinking on deleting his artzone gallery

They changed the TOS on Friday to a more artist friendly version than the one kazpar is talking about.