Thought I'd be the first to post got  an email from DAZ
A4 is free to members, so i guess this puts to rest that there will be no A4 now lets get Mike and possibly David

She crashed my system! She erased my hard drive! She caused Poser to uninstall itself! She crashed Vue and Carrara! She doesn't bend right! I can't figure out how to install her and it's DAZ's fault! It's a conspiracy!
Sorry, I justed wanted to be the first tool to start whining :)
Actually, so far I'm loving her. The realistic morphs are just great!

Probably David 4 (assuming that he will be released one day) will be just a morph for Michael 4.

Maybe M4 will be a morph for V4 ?

and David, the Freak , maybe even Millenium Dragon 4 :-)

I just got the pro bundle for $41.00 as a PC member. She's based on V4.2 so I think all V4's textures will fit her because they said the new A4 textures will fit V4.

Drifterlee,

Does Aiko accept V4 muscle morphs?
It's odd to me that they would use V4 as a base, but maybe that's just marketing strategy.

Nice looking model.  A3 has been my favourite for some time.  A4 looks like a good successor, or rather, companion model.

Quote - Drifterlee,

Does Aiko accept V4 muscle morphs?
It's odd to me that they would use V4 as a base, but maybe that's just marketing strategy.

According to the PA's in the Aiko thread yes, all of V4's can be injected into Aiko 4 and vice versa - which is kinda confusing to me because if this is just V4.2 with a few more morphs added to her... no wonder DAZ is giving the base away!!  :lol:

Quote - > Quote - Drifterlee,

Does Aiko accept V4 muscle morphs?
It's odd to me that they would use V4 as a base, but maybe that's just marketing strategy.

According to the PA's in the Aiko thread yes, all of V4's can be injected into Aiko 4 and vice versa - which is kinda confusing to me because if this is just V4.2 with a few more morphs added to her... no wonder DAZ is giving the base away!!  :lol:

I tested Morphia, and V4Morphs++ and they worked fine with A4. Also, I tested some V4 characters and they also worked fine, so I believe that probably there will be no problems with the muscle morphs.

Also, Aiko 4 can use V4's textures and characters.

Thanks for the update peps. Also thanks for testing it out. Sometimes what they say and what it does are 2 different things.

I like anime, but I like more realistic. I know that in and off itself is an oxymoron, but just something inbetween.
I applaude those that made the morphs from V4. I know full well what they did...and that's a bit of work. Good job.

This is getting very confusing. A4 is V4, so would I need V4 to use A4? Is A4 merely a morph of V4 that is marketed separately in a redundant (though profitable) ploy? Even more perplexing is to wonder why A4's 'realistic' eyes slant upwards toward the forehead in the picuture... The anime version gave me a start, but that's nothing new.

What about V4 clothing? If the V4.2 morphs ++  can be injected into A4 can she wear V4's clothing and shoes? I've been over to the daz forums and to be honest all I get is confused it's like there is 40 different opinions and a mix of information.

This is definately V4 with more morphs. There are some very pretty new characters for her and V4, though.

Upon further looking at her, she IS V4. If they charged for her it would be a huge ripoff. She uses V4's morphs. The Pro bundle I bought on impulse is just a scam to sell a bunch of characters, hairs, and poses. Oh, well, The hair and characters are cute.

I don't know. Other than being as tall as Vic, A4 has a shape much like A3. Also, A4 characters
applied to V4 look pretty, but different from the A4 version. I think people are too quick to
complain. And before you say anything, I have been through the release of every DAZ figure,
right to the very first Victoria. Every single release had the same moaning and whining.
Sorry if I sound rather blunt, but it's so tiring hearing the same complaints over and over.
Yet, once the new figure is gotten used to, it's suddenly the greatest thing since sliced
bread! AAAAARG!! ......There....got that out of my system. (Climbs down from soapbox)

Greywolf

A4 is free to Platnum Club members.

That elbow has got to go, but the face is cute.

After years of preparation natural bending still remains elusive.

As A4 is a morph for V4.2, and when I installed the fu***** moron bitch I got a massive Poser + system crash which oblied me to reinstall ALL, I think I'll use V4.1 for a long time and I'll avoid V4.2 like the devil 

Damn and blast and bugger it all!!!
I was hoping that Daz was going to issue a birth certificate with A4.
A3 looks like a woman to me but the gallery mods keep telling me she is a child.
Somewhere in the bowels of Renderosity there a gnomes working away with callipers and slide rules measuring A4's eye size and head to body ratio, and desperately trying to determine her age.
Sarcasm maybe, but many a truth said in jest.

I'll still use A3. After all, I hardly used Vic after I got Aiko, BUT, Aiko 3 didn't bend that well
either. I usually had to avoid extreme poses where the knees, elbows, or shoulders were
bent sharply. From what you show, A4 hasn't improved that much. Now that IS too bad. I
figured since she was derived from V4, that she would bend like V4. Oh well, SR1, we
await you. :)

Greywolf

Oh I'm just soooooo happy! I got a free 4.2 upgrade but then paid for the same thing disguised as Aiko 4( all you have to do is load A4 then select head and set the Aiko 4 setting to zero and what do you know it's now V4.2,  I mean it even calls the figure shown as Victoria 4. I guess I will still use it as you can now have a "Aiko 4" that can use all of the V4 morphs(not sure about the creature morphs).

Quote - IA4 is free, so who cares?

As Paloth said, only to Platinum Club members, those of us without one (either because of extremely limited funds, or disinterest in mass DAZ purchasing), get to have the fun of paying $17 (regular $25) for a morph of V4.

Really kind of kills the interest in getting the figure, at least for me. A pity too, she doesn't look half bad.

Hurray another digital barbie released... or in this case she's more like a digital pinup doll, looking at all the items that were released with here release, not even one normal/decent set of clothing for the poor girl. I'm a pc member and I'm not even bothered to download her, I've made a resolution to NOT download or buy anymore human related figure or clothes. My runtimes are full with figures I don't get around using, because the next figure was released by the time I got time to look at the previous one. Instead of joining the next figure hype, I'll use what I do have instead. I think I've used Aiko3 once or twice, so definitely no need to buy a new Aiko.

I don't see why people even want all these new versions of figures, especially if they're not really a huge improvement at all. V4 should have been way better then she is. People ask for the Girl 2 while the Girl never really gained support... people complain about the lack of David content, yet they beg for D4. We often see complains about lack of male stuff, yet lot's of people keep on asking 'where's M4'? I miss the point completely, nothing seems to change when a new figure is released, same old problems, same old complaints, same old clothes & hair, same old renders.

I rather spent my money on something that is really new! Not on something that looks like what I've been used for years already.

I think only the A4 base is free for Platinum members - ?

But if she's really just V4.2 with a head morph, all you need is the base - ?

So confusing for stupid people like me.

I see that there is a cheap magnet set to convert V4 clothing to fit A4. I shall think about getting this. But V4 didn't thrill me, beyond a slight excitement at the better elbow and knee joints. I've huge amounts of stuff already for the Unimesh figures. I've downloaded the freebie--it'd be foolish not to--but it reminds me a little too much of when they revanped the She-Freak. A4 looks more like a morph set than a distinct figure.

1st) Ok i hate DAZ for that crap installer that makes everyones life hell
2nd) i load the Aiko4 and i get the V4 body with the A4 head, but the eyes are for V4 so they dont fit
3rd)the morphs dont bloody work, what the hell????? There are dials but nothing happens????
4th)the A4 injections do nothing why?
5th)FREE,well im glad of that cause i would have been really pissed if i would have paid for it.
6th)Ok figure designers its time to start your projects,cause the way DAZ are heading with their figures i think i would rather prefer a good figure that a) installs,without stupid installation systems that are NOT needed and b)they work.

Im getting more and more displeased with DAZ as the years go on, is it me or are they making things harder when they dont kneed to be, Im really not looking forward to V5 as what with the installer that needs a code breaking program and a degree in suduko you will probably need to send gifts to daz just so you can get the thing to work....
hmmmmm
A4 in the bin.

The problem is not that Aiko4 doesn't look like a toon, the problem is that V4.2 does.

When I first saw V4 I thought immediately, gee, her body looks like Akio 3.
The proportions are all wrong and she has no details like kneecaps or shoulderblades.

Now it's clear that V4 was "toonified" so that DAZ could pull this little stunt off:
Reduce AIKO to a mere set of morphs for V4 and call it an "improvement" because both can now share clothing (If you buy the additional magnet set)  and morphs.

But...you end up with two figures that once each had a distinct individual character that now look just the same.
Sorry, aside from all the technical issues (Tons of JSM magnets, multiple layer ERC, hidden scaling dials  and "morphforms"), V4.2 looks way too toonish to me to be of any use.
And now AIKO 4 looks way too "generic" to me to be of any use.

Hardly anyone in Poserland takes the time to truly rework the DAZ meshes from the ground up.
Almost everything is just a quick spin of dials, that's why everything looks the same.
Now V4 and AIKO 4 look the same right from the start,
so why bother anymore with giving them individual names ?
Step aside Vicky and AIKO, here comes VAIKO.

I looked at all the Aiko 4 products and there wasn't a single one that stood out as really "new".
Each could have been easily done with standard V4 and a bit of face morphing.

Because AIKO 4 IS just a new facemorph now, nothing more.

Guess this wonderful new "concept" saves DAZ a lot of money and the PA's a lot of time because they now can sell the same clothes twice.

If you want a truly individual figure then morphing is not just enough. You ALSO need to create new joints.
DAZ did this for each and any of the "old" Unimesh figures.
But why bother anymore when folks buy it anyway ?

I hope they don't.
Seriously, I hope people resist the urge to flock to the "new and shiny" and demand QUALITY instead.
Sorry.
But that seems to be the only way to stop this crap going on.

I shudder when I think about Michael 4 or a fourth generation child/teen mesh.

Will they also be just a quickly made morph set for V4 ?
I mean, let's be honest here:
Compared to M2, David or even M3, those "new and exciting" V4.2 "male morphs" look like a pre-op transsexual.
They look WRONG and are just plain BAD.

DAZ used to be all about improvement, about giving artists better tools to do their art.
But now all they seem to want to improve is their bottom line.

It's the same old, same old.
First a company makes a new product and uses all their energy to make it GOOD.
But once they grow big enough, someone suddenly has the bright idea that true improvements cost money and "good enough" will sell just as well.

DAZ has ZERO real competition ATM, and that's the big problem here.
V4 was no real improvement over V3 because they didn't had to make one.
Despite V3's obvious flaws, folks bought her anyway, so all what was needed was "something new" to rack up sales, but not something "better".

I only hope Smith-Micro gets their act together and we finally see some GOOD new POSER figures in Poser 8.

Until then I happily stick with the old Unimesh figures.
(And the Poser 7 morphbrush to make them bend and look WAY better than any of the "new" DAZ stuff)
:biggrin:

Yada, yada, yada, but do V4 clothes fit A4?????????????

How to install A4 properly:

1. uninstall V4.1 - all DAZ morphs and the stuff from the !DAZ folder

2. install V4.2 to your main Poser runtime, initialize the figure at the end of the installation - A4 does not work with V4.1 - you need to update to V4.2 first!

3. install all updated V4.2 DAZ morphs like Muscle-Creature and Morphs ++

4. always let the installer run this update thingie at the end of each installation

5. after you've done the above finally install A4 and let the installer run the update exp thingie to inject all necessary channels into A4

6. When you've done with that you can move everything to a seperate runtime but keep A4 in the same runtime with V4 and leave a copy of the !DAZ folder under libraries and the DAZ People folder under libraries/characters in the main Poser runtime. In case you need to update something you can install that updates always to the main Poser runtime and then simply copy the !DAZ folder and the DAZ people folder over to your seperate runtime.

When you've done all the above A4 will work properly. If you got A4 with tiny eyes that won't fit chances are good that you missed one or more of the above explained steps.

A4 takes all V4 textures.

A4 can wear V4 clothes. Only exception is that old V4 clothes don't have the new A4 bodymorphs. Besides that no problem.

V4 is still a poser figure and Aiko4 is still a morph so Daz really have made something easy complicated and in my eyes a bit of a waste of my time.....Scrap this absolutly useless installation system if i want a puzzle i will do suduko not install figures into poser....

oh and Puntomaus i did those steps you mention but A4 still does not work, only the expression morphs in the head work, none of the body morphs work or can be injected to work either...... Daz buggered this one up by making it toooooo complex.... after all everyone else in the Rosity marketplace can make morphs that work why not DAZ???
Im now off to hack the A4 morphs out of the inj files and manually put them into V4.... more waste of my time....
Cheers Daz

oh all the V4 morphs work fine.. and thats on the Aiko4.CR2 me thinks this is a fault that only some morphs work????

Quote - A4 can wear V4 clothes. Only exception is that old V4 clothes don't have the new A4 bodymorphs. Besides that no problem.

Ahhhh thanks all I wanted to know. :)

Ohhh.... haven't you heard DAZ's new slogan? "MINIMUM EFFORT, MAXIMUM SALES" DAZ changed about 2 years ago from being inoovative to going with the crowd. They used to have outstanding quality and great items, now it's less quality and all mainly sensual items. The only thing I've been buying at DAZ is older high quality and inovative standing out of the crowd items before they dissappear in favour of what sells. Add to that the closure of a good running site like PoserPro, the pushing of ArtZone and you know which direction it's all going.

Quote - oh all the V4 morphs work fine.. and thats on the Aiko4.CR2 me thinks this is a fault that only some morphs work????

The male and Aiko body and head morphs should  work when you load the Aiko Cr2. But I had some problems too when I first installed and simply did it all over again twice ... then it finally worked. No idea why, maybe I did forget to run the exp thingie once or something else was wrong. It's a bit of a pain this installation system, but why make something simple when you can make it complicated ;-)

Linkdink, you use the same gorgeous V3 in ALL your pictures with wonderful results, I might add. So you have nothing to worry about. I feel conned because I bought the Pro Bundle, and it is really V4 oriented - everything fits V4 and all the characters work with V4. This Aijo is  not new at all. Just dial your V4 headmorphs to "Alien" and you have her, LOL!

2/20/08

"but why make something simple when you can make it complicated "

The modern potato chip bag is a nightmare to open. If you aren't careful you rip the bag suddenly and scatter the chips all over the place. You have to concentrate so hard on how to open the bag, that the company hopes you will not notice the bag is filled with mainly air and very few chips.

Maybe DAZ hoped that a tricky instalation would distract customers from the lack of distinctive content?

Does Aiko 4.X have primate toes like Vicky 4.X?

LMK

Quote - She crashed my system! She erased my hard drive! She caused Poser to uninstall itself! She crashed Vue and Carrara! She doesn't bend right! I can't figure out how to install her and it's DAZ's fault! It's a conspiracy!

She ate my homework!
(Someoe give that girl some breakfast)   :lol:

Quote - 2/20/08
The modern potato chip bag is a nightmare to open. If you aren't careful you rip the bag suddenly and scatter the chips all over the place. You have to concentrate so hard on how to open the bag, that the company hopes you will not notice the bag is filled with mainly air and very few chips.
LMK

I learned my lesson on this and always use scissors to open the bag that way the few crisps that said company puts in the bag are safe and only the air spills out...lol!

Quote - > Quote - She crashed my system! She erased my hard drive! She caused Poser to uninstall itself! She crashed Vue and Carrara! She doesn't bend right! I can't figure out how to install her and it's DAZ's fault! It's a conspiracy!

She ate my homework!
(Someoe give that girl some breakfast)   :lol:

She used the male morph and stole my identity and my charge card. 3D people! Who can figure them out?

I don't want to be the bad guy, but everyone here should know for now that every new thing that comes to life (software, Poser figures...) need a test time. And WE are the testers ^^

Seriously, just wait some time to let DAZ release the SR1, as they did with V4, then the SR2, SR3, SR4...
A4 is just a morph, but as DAZ tried to convince us it's a full figure, they put inside the same errors every new figure has (bad joint bending, code bugs...).

I agree though everybody is complaining about M4 late, and when you surf in the galleries, where is M3? D3? even H3?
People want new toys only to complain about them ;)

A4 looks promising IMO. Just give her some chance to emancipate from DAZ.

And personaly, i want to keep an eye on H4 (i bet he will be a M4 morph just like A4 is a V4 morph).
A4 (and in future H4) is interesting at least for the facial features. V4 face expressions are far away beter than A3 (that freaking smile Oo!!)

2/20/08

*"She ate my homework!
(Someoe give that girl some breakfast)   :lol:"

VAiko 4.$ does have an anorxeia morph doesn't she?

LMK

Okay I will not longer complain about potato crisp bag hehehehe.

I agree with you Vincebagna! I'm very disappointed now . A V4 who is not working and an Aiko 4 that I probably will never use (I don't even use Aiko 3). I use a lot of D3 and M3 and there is not enough products for them. I'm actually buying clothes or hair only if I can use them on male figures. Unfortunately we don't hear or see anything about M4 or D4. There is too much female figures in the market...I'm happy with my Victoria 3 and don't need more female figures....but I think it's a question of taste! Personally I'm waiting for M4 and D4 because they are the ones I use most.

By the way your product is fantastic. Thank you for making it and please please make more products for the male figures...

Best regards.

Quote -
*"She ate my homework!
(Someoe give that girl some breakfast)   :lol:"

VAiko 4.$ does have an anorxeia morph doesn't she?

I dunno, seems like malnutrition caused some odd growth deformities!

(okay, okay, just kidding, I don't hate her.... cuz she's... cute)

i agree with just about everything JoePublic said, though not necessarily the same emotion.  A4 is a set of morphs for V4.  from everything i've seen, many clothes do not work for the same reason Wardrobe Wizard, Tailor, and other conversion tools are popular: custom morphs are beyond a many users' ability to accomodate.  and i noticed from the beginning that V4 seemed to be based on Aiko, because she lacks vital details in areas that made no sense to eliminate when making a human figure, especially one thin enough to have ribs show above  her breasts.  i don't think they wanted to make A4 easier to create, i think they wanted to cater to Aiko's substantial popularity.  considering Victoria will always be more popular based on being there first, and that meaning she's always the best supported (something that's self-perpetuating), i'd say Aiko actually had more popular appeal.   so this version of Victoria cuts right to the chase, and Aiko is just a few custom morphs.  now that means that they can't make some changes necessary for her to be truly anime, like a shorter torso, longer limbs, a face that can do actual anime expressions,  and teeth, hands and feet that have no definition.  but since i think most uses of Aiko were not traditional anime, i think they accurately assessed the market.  especially in terms of realism, since a lot of people liked to use Aiko realistic to create a certain look in their characters, and some did it to make Asian characters.

so it's no big deal to me either way.  DAZ is a business, and it's always  the purpose of a business to maximize profits and minimize effort.   but i wish V4 had an FBM  to add detail so i wouldn't have to postwork the hell out of her.  V3 required some work, but i never had to paint shoulder blades and definition on her back, or correct the shape of the front of her knees.  i like V4's proportions, but this is precisely why people keep saying she looks like a toon or like plastic.  but i can work around it.

the main thing that concerns me is that A4 isn't an advancement.  from V3 to Aiko, there were some noticeable improvements in joints and other aspects.  imho, D3 was a lot better than M3.  and Laura's joints were a lot better than V3's.    i mean, it makes sense, since the DAZ developers kept learning.  but A4 has those same high armpits that make V4 at least as bad (if not worse) in the shoulder department as V3.  and now, in this thread, i'm seeing problems at the joints with these morphs (which aren't very extreme) that actually make A4 less quality in terms of her body.  so it strikes me that while this route will sell more because the character (not figure - the figure is still V4) is immediately backwards compatible with lots of stuff (like WW2, even), it will mean that DAZ developers actually can't make major improvements as they make new figures because those improvements would either need more than a morph, break compatibility or both.  while it's no big deal to me to take or leave the products in the Aikopaloosa, i'm a bit concerned that the advancement i saw with Unimesh line will stagnate.

I doubt very much if I will use her, but all the clothes and hair and textures in the pro bundle fit V4.2 so I'm ok I guess.