Poser Pro (64) bit Poser has been released

Just saw these this morning at Content Paradise

Poser Pro Full Version
http://www.contentparadise.com/us/user/poser_pro_full_version_product_41207

http://graphics.smithmicro.com/go/poserpro

Poser Pro Full Version for P6 & P7 Owners
http://www.contentparadise.com/us/user/poser_pro_full_version_for_p6_p7_owners_product_41209

Poser Pro BASE for P6 and P7 Owners
http://www.contentparadise.com/us/user/poser_pro_base_for_p6_and_p7_owners_product_41208

Poser Pro Full Version for BASE Owners
http://www.contentparadise.com/us/user/poser_pro_full_version_for_base_owners_product_41210

Poser Pro and Luxology modo Bundle
http://www.contentparadise.com/us/user/poser_pro_and_luxology_modo_bundle_product_41548

Very interested in hearing what people have to say about Poser Pro usage.

I have hardware that will handle it, but will have to buyinstall both WinXP 64 and Poser Pro.

"I have hardware that will handle it, but will have to buyinstall both WinXP 64 and Poser Pro."

I'm in the same situation.  But not likely to upgrade my OS until push comes to shove.

Meanwhile, I note that my Shade Standard 8.5.2 has a Poserfusion which is broken.

Hoh.

Sigh - I am stuck as a Poser 7 user for now.

I've got no interest in Poser Pro at all and I'm still wondering why I would pay $150-$200 for just some 64bit rendering and integration that has been around a long time in the form of body studio? The new features will not use, not on 64bit operating system yet (even though hardware supports it), don't use high end applications at all and don't create games anymore. I'm still suprised that Smith Micro believes that the so called pros will buy this application just because they've added the Pro to it.

All I want to know is will Poser 7 be on sale soon for a blow out price or is it time for me to finally switch to D/S?

The latest updates don't offer anything substantial at all to even justify the price tag on it. Poser Pro Base offers 7 new features and minimal new content and they dare to ask $150 for it..... $150 for 1 majorm new feature and some minor improvements, they're joking right???? I think they've finally gone mad...... sorry, but I've been a long time Poser supporter, but this is getting ridiculous. Unless Poser 7 will go on sale soon, Poser 6 will be my last version of Poser. I will no longer support an application that asks more and more money for upgrades, while offering less and less improvements and features (refering to P7 & Poser Pro Base).

Poser Pro Base isn't worth the money at all, but I can see some people who own Poser 6/7 and one of the more expensive applications that are supported. But I feel sorry for them if they do so, it's common knowledge that Body Studio (now called poser fusion) can be a huge pain to use. All I can do is wish Smith Micro and the new Poser Pro users a lot of luck, they're both going to need it!

Well, that's closing the final chapter for Poser as far as I'm concerned. Time to seriously consider alternatives or if I can live with Poser 6 for a long time, I guess I could. 

How come they've not done a mail shot to customers who bought Poser 7 about it or have they and I just haven't got mine yet!

Even so, I don't think I'll bother as I render in Vue6Inf now anyway so not much point setting a scene up in a new app that I can do in an old app!!

You can run poser pro fine in 32 bit OS systems, but you won't see the advantages of the 64 render speed increases.

I'm seeing almost twice the render speed here, though SM seems to downplay the speed improvements and "minor".. but it's far from minor on my system.

(realistically I'm seeing abiout a 70% increase in render speed on vista 64, poser pro's 64 bit background render, and 4 gig or ram.)

Quote - How come they've not done a mail shot to customers who bought Poser 7 about it or have they and I just haven't got mine yet!

Even so, I don't think I'll bother as I render in Vue6Inf now anyway so not much point setting a scene up in a new app that I can do in an old app!!

It was JUST released today, probably hours ago.. give em time to do a mailing.. LOL!

Quote - I have hardware that will handle it, but will have to buyinstall both WinXP 64 and Poser Pro.

I have the hardware but not the OS but I feel the same as infinity there are not enough 64 bit programs and drivers to go installing a new OS for a program I use as a hobby. I will have to be pushed into changing my OS to a 64-bit. However, since I am now using Vue 6 pro a lot more these days Vue 6I may just push me there but not PoserPro. But I am interested to see how many who will be using the program feel about it and the feedback there after.

Vue 6 I is SO much faster in a 64 bit os, that it was almost one of the best upgrade reasons for me.

I'm seeing system speed increases of about 30% and for JUST an os change, that's pretty amazing.

Startup time on xp pro was 4 minute total.. on vista 64, its under 2 minutes. Shutdown time on xp pro 32 was 2 minutes.. on visat, it's under 20 seconds.

My wife saw vita running on my system, and after a week, was bugging me to put it on HER system as well.

I turned my main computer into a dual boot, installing an extra 500gb drive for the 64 bit os, getting ready for all these apps going 64 bit.. I'm using XP32 and 64. Everything I have so far works fine on my 64 os. Including Painter9.5, PSP 8, Shade8, Poser 6/7, Vegus, Acid, Divx and other players, UVMapper and so on and so on and my Modo 302 just hauls A$$ on the 64 bit os even though it is still 32 bit, we are waiting for the 64 bit version that is in the making.

So far I have not come across an app that does not work in my XP64. The drivers were easy to find. And the manufactures of my computer gave me the needed liks for the drives I needed. The drivers are there if you want them, you just need to spend an hour to find them or ask your dealership.

infinity 10, Shades poser fusion works for me but I had to re-install P6 with my P7.

I'm off to get PP 2008 and test drive that puppy.

 So other than render speeds are there any major benefits for my $199 upgrade offer?

Specifically... improvements to rigging, morph creation or anything helping me on the content creation side of things. Anything else?

The details on the site do not make me want to jump to get this at the moment as I only use Poser 7 renderer to render promo shots, my actual creative stuff using Poser models is rendered in Modo.

Would be good to hear others reviews before I part with my cash.

No news on Lightwave Poser Pro support.  UGH!

I was going to switch to Modo from lightwave but can't afford the price tag yet.

I guess I'll keep learning Lightwave 9.5 and not worry about all this.

Glad it's finally out though.

Quote - > Quote - How come they've not done a mail shot to customers who bought Poser 7 about it or have they and I just haven't got mine yet!

Even so, I don't think I'll bother as I render in Vue6Inf now anyway so not much point setting a scene up in a new app that I can do in an old app!!

It was JUST released today, probably hours ago.. give em time to do a mailing.. LOL!

I just received my SMCP Newsletter this afternoon.

http://news.contentparadise.com/

Specifically on the 64-bit OS issue:

If anyone is considering upgrading to a 64-bit OS, I'd go for Vista64 rather than XP64, as drivers and so on are being developed specifically for the former.

I installed Vista64, dual-booted with XP Pro (i.e. 32-bit) about 8 months ago. At first Vista64 was practically unusable due to lack of drivers and all manner of annoying glitches. Needless to say, I spent most of my time in XP, quietly fuming that I couldn't use all the lovely RAM I'd bought.

Since then I've booted in Vista64 once a week or so to keep it up to date. In the last month, after installing Vista SP1 and following some of the recommendations made here: http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2238
I can now spend 99.5% of my time in Vista64; maybe once a week I have to hop back into XP for something.

Now that it finally works properly it's fast, stable and uses all 8Gb of installed RAM.

I've no intention of getting PoserPro, but I'd guess that it's been developed using Vista64 rather than XP64.

4/29/08

Are computer vendors offering computers with XP 64, or Vista 64 pre-installed yet? If so, who?

LMK

I'm on XP 32 bit and I see better performance with Poser pro than Poser 7.
For example - faster calculating of dynamics, faster rendering and an over all faster and more stable product.
I love it!

With doing 3D for work, I was a good candidate to have interest in Beefed up Poser, a Pro version of sorts. I'm always itching for tools that may give me new capabilities.

Features that they are advertising leave me uninterested. :(

Collada exports - I already have that for free via D|S and it works well.
Hosting scenes for Max - not interested, especially with existance of Collada.
Animations, HDRI, network rendering, 64 bit base - I have max  and vray for all that.

Are there features that I'm missing?

$199.99 for upgrade is a lot less than the original $499 price tag.  IMO -- why not?  More render speed sounds fine to me -- and I'm already set up with XP 64 bit.  Sure, I render stuff in Vue, and I have Modo -- but I'd be curious to try this and see what it'll do.

Of course: the usual suspects hate everything & are predictably predicting the usual dark clouds on the horizon.......it reminds me of the old cartoon character who perpetually went around moaning that "we're doomed!" all of the time.  For myself -- I look forward to giving this a try.  I'll leave the moaning & the bellyaching up to others -- they do it so well that I couldn't possibly hope to match them at the task, anyway.

That's true -- and the lemmings all follow one another into mutual DOOM, don't they?

sigh  As in the game, it's a tough job keeping the lemmings from destroying themselves.  But a few of us non-lemmings try.

For those of us on Mac OS, we're not going to see the 64-bit change right away.

For the price, the upgrade just doesn't seem to be worth it. The feature changes aren't that great as most of us use another program for actual rendering. The Collada export might be nice, but with D|S already doing it for us, why spend the money.

Anyone else find features they can't live without for the price? I have Poser 7 and while it's not perfect, it's definitely still usable. Looks to me like Smith Micro is trying to get a premium price for giving us a 64-bit application, but that by itself really isn't enough to justify the price.

Am I wrong?

Quote - Am I wrong?

No......you are correct by your own lights, and based upon what you believe to be the correct software choices for yourself.  I never have a problem with people making decisions on that basis.

I do; however, have a problem with endless doom & gloom.  But your post doesn't display any of that -- it's just well-reasoned decision making -- without any accompanying wailing.

Quote - That's true -- and the lemmings all follow one another into mutual DOOM, don't they?

nope

Quote - > Quote - That's true -- and the lemmings all follow one another into mutual DOOM, don't they?

nope

Yes, I've heard that about the literal animals.  But, as is normal in these forums -- the reference was to a game.  And in that game: it's tough to keep the lemmings from jumping off of a cliff, or falling into a hole, or whatever other forms of doom they choose to indulge themselves in.

I suspect that most of the lemmings don't have green hair, though.

I got my email a few minutes ago and am in the process of downloading my newly purchased upgrade. I have a 64 bit OS and am dying to see the difference in the renders. One hour and 17 minutes left until playtime!

I didn't actually understand the difference between the $149 upgrade and the $199 one (too excited I guess), so I went with the $199 one. It's easier to ignore features than it is to scream when the one I really wanted wasn't part of the package :)

Now I need to figure out why I have activation codes for Queue Manager, Maya, Max, and Cinema 4D on my receipt???????

 The Queue Manager allows you to send renders from Poser Pro to the Queue Manager and continue working in Poser Pro. The others are for the Poser Fusion plug-ins that you can install and bring content over to those applications.

Ah, the gingerbread then. I think I'll hold off on those parts then as I don't own any of the other programs.

I'm on XP 32 bit and I see better performance with Poser pro than Poser 7.
For example - faster calculating of dynamics, faster rendering and an over all faster and more stable product.
I love it!

How does it compare to Poser 6? Poser 7 performs much worse then Poser 6 does, so it's not hard to see improvements compared to P7, but how does it compare to P6, that interests me a lot.... love to know that.

**I was so upset when P7 came out, I bought the machine with vista just for P7 and once installed it wasn’t compatible. It will make turn off features on vista and the application  was working poorly. I was very disappointed, even thou the renders...*when i was able to render...the renders where faster. I'm been suffering a lot with P7.

Now, does PP...works well with vista?, 32bit...not 64...just the regular 32. Please somebody tell me...because I’m tired of using my P7...with so many bugs and incompatibilities.

Please somebody let me know...as i want to be able to use poser again and ever since i bough p7...i have not been able to enjoy working with my models!!!!**

Quote - How does it compare to Poser 6? Poser 7 performs much worse then Poser 6 does, so it's not hard to see improvements compared to P7, but how does it compare to P6, that interests me a lot.... love to know that.

I wouldn't bother -- you'd hate it.

BTW - thanks for letting me know that Poser 7 performs much worse than Poser 6 does.  You could've fooled me for approx. the last two years, as I've always had the opposite experience.

I think it's pretty clearly a typo there.
edit: maybe not ^_^

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How does it compare to Poser 6? Poser 7 performs much worse then Poser 6 does, so it's not hard to see improvements compared to P7, but how does it compare to P6, that interests me a lot.... love to know that.

I can't give any good info on that cause I haven't used P6 hardly at all since P7 came out. Sorry. For my work P7 was so much better. But for my hobby, furred animals, P7 was a disaster.  Hopefully someone else can give some info on comparing P6 and PP.

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Are computer vendors offering computers with XP 64, or Vista 64 pre-installed yet? If so, who?

LMK

so far yes, at least you can buy from www.zepto.com    here in Denmark chossing from XP 64 bits or Vista 64 bits. NoTE: they sell only laptops. BTW graet ones, MUUUUCH better than DEL and MUUUUCH less expensive also they deliver to US.

I was in Best Buy this last weekend, looking around just to see what they had.  There were Vista 64 bit laptops all over the place -- mainly HP's.  They all had 4G's of RAM + price tags just slightly over $1000.

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Am Not!

I think my biggest problem is wondering what 64-bit OS I should go to Vista or XP64. I hear more and more about driver issues with XP64 as manufacturers of hardware are putting more into the development of drivers for Vista. I know I want to go to a 64-bit OS as there is no sense in having a dual core 64-bit processor and still running 32 bit apps. As far as I can gather runner the the Vista adviser from MS the only app that will suffer from me going to Vista is Nero.

I also don't really understand the dual boot thing either if  I get and install Vista will I need to set up some kind of dual boot system or will the 32-bit programs still work?

I've had perfect luck with drivers under XP64, and very good luck with applications under XP64.  I think a couple of games have refused to work, and of course Reiss Bodystudio did not work at all (important to note for those considering this Poser Pro release).

I have three items which I cannot get to work under XP64 - a Palm device, a Zune mp3 player, and  an HP printer that's about 3 years old.  The Palm and the Zune both have to be synced on the 32-bit side of my dual-boot setup -- and the printer will only print on the 32 bit side.

However, the Zune .mp3 player is supposed to be compatible with Vista 64.  I'm not sure about the Palm.  There are no 64 bit drivers available for the HP printer -- neither XP nor Vista.

Software-wise, I haven't had any problems at all under XP 64.  In fact, everything runs better than it does under 32 bit XP.

I haven't liked Vista since it first came out.  But now they seem to be showing some movement towards improving it.  Plus -- as others have hinted -- hardware & software manufacturers are gradually catching up.  Vista is beginning to show signs of life, I think.  It's taken awhile to get there.

Yep, I wasn't feeling any vista love at all until they made sp1 available this year.. now I love it just as much as I loved xp when i first moved to it.

Poser 7 on some systems is a bit of a cow .
I went from 5 to 7 and cant say I see much difference at all.

anyway. The $199 version is the one with the plugins for max etc .

Quote - Yep, I wasn't feeling any vista love at all until they made sp1 available this year.. now I love it just as much as I loved xp when i first moved to it.

Yes -- XP was a hit with me right out of the box, too.

Vista's taken a little over a year to finally get out of beta.  I.....might buy a Vista laptop now.  64 bit, of course.  It'll give me a chance to start in on Vista in a serious way.  But it'll likely be awhile before I consider upgrading my desktop machine to Vista, though.  64 bit Vista upgrades require a reinstall of all software -- not a task that I'm looking forward to.  Plus I'd like to maintain my XP 32 bit capacity for just a little bit longer -- until I'm certain that it's no longer needed for anything.  In the meantime, XP 64 is humming along quite nicely.

Heh. I'd like to see a distinction made between P6 and P7 owners, price wise. After all, us stoopid P7 owners bought the upgrade to P7.
I'm getting fed up with being lumped in with non-upgraded versions that were available for like $50 or something a little while ago.
Sorry if I sound bitter, but frankly, it pisses me off that I effectively pay twice as much because I upgraded religiously.
So this time... I most likely won't.
Unless they changed the way the shadows work in Poser Pro, I'm not interested all that much. The lighting is the limiting factor of Poser, it's why most people move to other packages - yet it doesn't look like there is much of an improvement there.

Quote - I have three items which I cannot get to work under XP64 - a Palm device, a Zune mp3 player, and  an HP printer that's about 3 years old.  The Palm and the Zune both have to be synced on the 32-bit side of my dual-boot setup -- and the printer will only print on the 32 bit side.

However, the Zune .mp3 player is supposed to be compatible with Vista 64.  I'm not sure about the Palm.  There are no 64 bit drivers available for the HP printer -- neither XP nor Vista.

Software-wise, I haven't had any problems at all under XP 64.  In fact, everything runs better than it does under 32 bit XP.

I haven't liked Vista since it first came out.  But now they seem to be showing some movement towards improving it.  Plus -- as others have hinted -- hardware & software manufacturers are gradually catching up.  Vista is beginning to show signs of life, I think.  It's taken awhile to get there.

Palm does not support 64 bit... People have been complaining about this for a long time now.

I find it hard to believe that the render engine is 64 bit in OSX when nothing else is...

Well to be fair, the render engine is really the place that needs 64-bit - I don't think I've ever had Poser 6 or 7 crash due to running out of memory just in preview, only at render time.  I guess 64-bit in preview could be nice if you wanted really excessively high resolution textures in preview, but otherwise I don't think it's a really big benefit even for complex scenes.

Silke, what exactly do you see in Poser Pro that will benefit you at all?  As far as we've heard, the render engine is basically unchanged, except being recompiled for 64-bit (which is nice, but eh is it worth a few hundred dollars?)

Hi>All
What happened to PoserPro?
Where did "QUIDAM for Poser" go?

That's just it. I don't really see anything that justifies a $199 pricetag for an upgrade. Lets face it, if I render my Poser posed and textured and set up stuff in 3D Max or Maya... then there's just something wrong with that picture. (IMHO)

Basically, all the Collada stuff... err... why not just yank the obj into whatever package you use? (I don't, so I don't know how/why people would need the cross-usablity.)
P7 doesn't crash for me either (on Vista Home Premium) btw but my ATI card has a problem with it's openGL so I use SReed.

But yeah, pjz, that's just it. I don't see anything that will benefit me, as such. Hence I'm not buying. As I said, if they had actually worked on the Lighting model and those f**$&£g idiotic shadow cams, then I would have grabbed it without batting an eyelash. As it is? No thanks. Same old, same old. With the emphasis on OLD...

Quote - That's just it. I don't really see anything that justifies a $199 pricetag for an upgrade.

Me neither.  Let's both save our money ;)

I am tired... Sooooo tired.......

Let's all save our money from not buying PoserPro & have one big booze up!

I use poser 7 on a dedicated xp64 bit machine (only has 7 on it and used for nothing else). Works even better than a 32 bit OS. I can render stuff I can never render on my 32 bit machines. And having a 64 bit poser that can use a lot more ram will be beneficial especially to all those vicky 4 people. V4 eats up a lot of ram and is one of the reasons I don't use her. The manager option also sounds cool. I currently batch render with a custom python script I wrote but being able to fire off the render then go back to pose the next panel without waiting will be awesome. The $199 is a bit pricey but I think its worth it for people who make money off poser and have a 64 bit system. I have 3 dedicated machines for rendering plus a work machine for regular mail and net. Now if Pro had a distributed render farm option I'd be a happy camper.

Erm... what's the full feature list for this?  I had expected much more than what they have listed, based on some of the threads around here.  Is the four or five point list on the pages linked in the OP everything?  Nothing there would help me a bit.  Feh.  :(