Quote - Are we talkin' scantly dressed jello wrestlers with big boobies?

No -- although such women - "real" women - actually exist.  It's a relatively rare body type in the RW, but it does exist -- and it can occur naturally.  So even that sort of body type isn't totally off the beam, reality-wise.  Many of the 'unknown' early-1960's Italian B-movie beauties tended to fall into that category.  It was also a popular thing in 1950's US -- exemplified by women like Jayne Mansfield, Mamie Van Doren, and Joi Lansing.  By today's standards, many of those same women would be regarded as overweight.  Their "type" still seems to be popular in the Poserverse, though.

But admittedly, the oft-cited Poser stereotype to which you refer can and likely does derive from pure adolescent fantasy.  Adolescent boys have fantasized about such things since adolescent boys first existed in the world to fantasize about them.  Most of those boys eventually grow up.

*Most of those boys eventually grow up.

No way...Not us...We're still fightin' pirates at the second star to the right and on til mornin'.

"I hate when so many artiststs waste theirs time on forum instead of work with Poser and make freebies."

So learn to make your own stuff and you would not need to worry if others are making freebies

*"On the other hand, V3 has a body that looks badly atrophied, and that folds up like a rag doll when bent."

Atrophied, I thought meant wasting away. V3 is not atrophied, V4 maybe but not V3. Sure there is some mesh breakage in V3 but still bends better than the older versions and the G2 and thier spin offs.

"We have many answers and I think dphoadley did not want cause so serious discussion ;)"

Oh, I think DPH knows how these forums work when he asked that question. I think the next question should be what modifications does he do to Judy to start his next thread. That is if history does repeats itself,

*Atrophied, I thought meant wasting away. V3 is not atrophied, V4 maybe but not V3. Sure there is some mesh breakage in V3 but still bends better than the older versions and the G2 and thier spin offs.

I agree.  Someone needs to get V4 to an all you can eat restaurant pronto!

Quote - *Most of those boys eventually grow up.

No way...Not us...We're still fightin' pirates at the second star to the right and on til mornin'.

True.  May we never stop doing that.  When we do, then it's time for the nursing home.......

Quote - *Atrophied, I thought meant wasting away. V3 is not atrophied, V4 maybe but not V3. Sure there is some mesh breakage in V3 but still bends better than the older versions and the G2 and thier spin offs.

I agree.  Someone needs to get V4 to an all you can eat restaurant pronto!

Just as with the reality of women like Lonnie Anderson, there's also the reality of women like Twiggy (remember her?).  And default V4 isn't as thin as Twiggy.  Some people have such a metabolism that they always remain thin no matter how much they eat -- sigh.  Others aren't so blessed.

There's all sorts of body types.  And examples of those body types can be pointed to in the real world.  No one body type is any more or any less "real" than any other body type.  Real humans come in all shapes & sizes.

Of course, it's true that most of them don't have two heads, or naturally green skin......but examples of both of those things exist in the RW.  Sadly.

"Just as with the reality of women like Lonnie Anderson, there's also the reality of women like Twiggy (remember her?).  And default V4 isn't as thin as Twiggy."

Not what I was saying. I was pointing out that V3 was not atrophied, that v4 would be closer to that term than v3.

Yes I remember Twiggy. She filled out quite nicely later on as in  Club Paradise (1986)

Sounded like "Add Virgins" to me :laugh:

Eternal Judy is a great character

Tashar59, yes I think V3 looks atrophied ... you can see this especially when she bends at the elbow, groin or knee ... also those armpits that stop just short of the top of the shoulders ugggghh...

*"also those armpits that stop just short of the top of the shoulders ugggghh..."

That would be V4 and not V3. Are you sure your not confusing the two?

Isn't that a bit ah.... for here? Doesn't bother me a in the least. I would think that would be more to that other site we can't mention but have galleries there.

They are not actually doing anything inappropriate in the picture.

The secret to making a popular product is to build the system around it.
Bell didn't invent the first telephone, Edison didn't invent the first light bulb,
Ford certainly didn't invent the first auto.  But they became the "inventors
of record" because they understood the need to set up the entire
distribution system so that people could use the product.  
Not just the bulb, but the sockets, wires, plugs, and generators;
not just the telephone but the switchboards and the installers;
not just the horseless carriage but the mechanics and dealers. 

Daz seems to have caught onto this principle better than the owners of Poser.

Interesting way of putting it ockham. I think you are right.

Re. Judy. The figure came with great clothes but I could never figure out that weird horrible face when the default Face Room head for her is so charming but it seems a far number of Poser users don't know about morphs and such. I just wish I could have tried the FBMs for Judy that came in the physical buy of Poser. I like the FBMs I have found in Freestuff though. I found making my own morphs for Judy difficult, the brreasts seem to break from the chest when I use deformers. Judy and Miki are the most realistic female figures but neither of them morph as well as the unimesh and Miki is so hi-mesh. I am glad dp made this thread though... it reminds me I need to play with Judy more.

OK. guess I'm just a dirty old man.

"I found making my own morphs for Judy difficult, the brreasts seem to break from the chest when I use deformers."

Have you used "add Element to Deform"? Probably a silly question for you as long as you have been here.

I think part of the problem is the low poly but it can be done with magnets with some patience. I did this one real quick so it's not perfect but it does show it can be done. Did one side only to show effect.

Should V4's head be atop such a classic body?

Yes you can splice them together if you want. I mentioned that Yamato did a couple of versions of her and different head. Just look at the freestuff at his site.

You can Frankenstien most figures heads to most figures bodies. Many of us do it it all the time. It's the uv's that don't match so you get a texture seam where you splice the two necks. Thats why Judy and V3 were a good match, they use the same textures.

dphoadley@Tasher
Now use Oakhams mirror magnets, and give us a new freebie MT! ;=D
DPH

Quote - Should V4's head be atop such a classic body?

What can I say, but the consensus seems to be that V4 is bigger and better, -so, as they say, if you can't beat 'em, hybridize 'em! ;=D
Personally, I don't particually like V4's body at all, and I say that after acquiring an itimate knowledge of it, vertice by vertice, that I seriously doubt anybody else in the Poserverse has, except for the ones who modeled her at DAZ.  However, since Judy's body does indeed look so much more womanly, in a Rueben's kind of way, I would think that a hybrid of both the bests parts of each figure would be a good way to bridge the gap between those that prefer Daz and those that prefer the older Poser figures.
DPH 

LOL. Not sure I have that script. But later tonight when I have some time I want to run her through modo and see what happens.

Right now I'm off to a Bday party for an aunt. At my age, you never know if it's the last time you see these people. You know how old your getting when you go to more funerals than weddings. LOL.

I agree.  I was wondering though if you wouldn't mind, could you shape V4's head to look a little like Judy?  Just the basic shape maybe.

Quote - Have you used "add Element to Deform"? Probably a silly question for you as long as you have been here.

No such thing as a silly question! It has been years since I was working with mags on Judy... I wonder if I wasn't adding the chest element back then? I remember I only was able to get smaller breasts by adding the morphs from EJ. I can't find that thread that said how to fix EJ to work in the Face Room but I have always wanted to trim down the number of morphs on EJ to see if that makes it easier for me to use.

No, Tashar59, I am talking about V3.
V4's armpits aint great, but nowhere near as bad as V3.
V3's arms look like they are about to snap off at the shoulders.

"You can Frankenstien most figures heads to most figures bodies. Many of us do it it all the time. It's the uv's that don't match so you get a texture seam where you splice the two necks. Thats why Judy and V3 were a good match, they use the same textures."

The V4 head in the above example is from the figure that I remapped to take V3 textures, so when I finish splicing the necks, I'll just have to go and remap Judy's body to match.

*"could you shape V4's head to look a little like Judy?  Just the basic shape maybe."

Could you elucidate that a bit more, -do you mean to give her a head that's a bit longer, or narrower, or with a bit more of a pointy chin?
DPH

Quote - Yes you can splice them together if you want. I mentioned that Yamato did a couple of versions of her and different head. Just look at the freestuff at his site.

You can Frankenstien most figures heads to most figures bodies. Many of us do it it all the time. It's the uv's that don't match so you get a texture seam where you splice the two necks. Thats why Judy and V3 were a good match, they use the same textures.

Actually Judy uses V2's textures and Don uses M2's textures.

I wonder if high rez renders of her even exist....

Anyway so far my mind has not been changed.  Is it just me or is there absolutely no variety in her nipple or breast size and shape? 

DP the filter applied to your latest render makes it difficult to see details.

Look at mine again Jill. I had to edit it while you were posting and link from PhotoBucket cuz rendo wasn't attaching my images.

That resolution isn't very high either.  It's just a small picture - maybe photobucket is messing it up.  I think that is a good looking character for what it is but I don't think it's realistic.  I could see Judy being very useful in either toon renders or crowd scenes lacking detail.  I just don't see her as an all around center stage model.

*"Actually Judy uses V2's textures and Don uses M2's textures."

Your right, me bad. Thats what happens when your trying to do to many things at one time. That also means that it should have read V2 head not V3. But, no matter, as I said earlier, you can put any head you want on any figure.

DPH, I think there already is a Judy mapped for V3. I can't remember who did it, but they had remapped many of the earlier figures.

I can't do anything on my computer for another 30 min. I have an animation on the burn, thought it would be finished by the time I got home.

AFAIK the only Judy hybrids out there are V2/Judy and NEA(Posette)/Judy.

All use V2 mapping.

Yes, V4's tounge actors are a real pain, and not just for hybrids.
One of her main problems is that the Poser SetUp room can't handle her multilayered cr2.

I managed to create a "V4 head on actual V3 body to get bodymorphs" hybrid that "sorta" worked, but gave up because I didn't feel like spending days rummaging through that uber complicated cr2 hunting for line breaks or comma errors to fix the broken erc.

The only version of V4.2 I use ATM is the 17k LOD LoRez version that comes free with DAZ Studio and which I modified myself.
I copied V4.2's body and head-morphs into a regular cr2 to use her in Poser.
I also DELETED all that JSM Magnet and JCM morph nonsense and replaced them with proper morphbrush fix morphs.
This not only makes her bend like an actual human being, it also free's up A LOT of precious RAM that I'd rather use for adding other stuff to a Poser scene.

She's now even lighter than Posette and renders beautifully.

Hmm, back to Judy.....

Maybe instead of plucking the remapped HighRez V4 head onto Judy and then having to remap Judy's body to V3 specs, I'd suggest to use the V4.2 LowRez 17kLOD head on Judy and then remapping that LOD head to use V2 textures.

Should be a lot easier on the nerves and faster,too.

Besides, V3's UV's are "protected" by V3's EULA, while V2's mapping are free to use.

Ordinary HiRez magnet infested V4.2 on the one side, and "my" 17k LOD version with proper morphbrush joints on the other. :-)

(Yes, she's the one with proper shoulders and without lumpy thighs)

Here is one of Yamato's Judy-AnAn's. I can't remember what texture, I tried about 20 before I rendered this.

*Could you elucidate that a bit more, -do you mean to give her a head that's a bit longer, or narrower, or with a bit more of a pointy chin?

Yeah!  More heart shaped.   Course one could probably do that with her morphs.  Probably best to wait until the two meshes are combined and the new cr2 is established.

dphoadley@Patorak**
**Do you know anything about editing joint parameters?  When I swivel the head, or bend it in any direction, the chin stretches and compresses like chewing gum.  (although, this might have something to do also with the Cr2 not recognizing V4's upper and lower jaw objects.  I'm trying to insert these actors by copy and paste via the Cr2 Editor utility.  Any suggestions and advice would be welcome.
Yours truly,
DPH

I'd have to take a look at her.

Have you tried moving her upper and lower jaw objects?  This may give a clue as to the cr2 recognizing them.

dphoadley@Patorak
Send me an email to dphoadley2@yahoo.com, and I'll send you a copy for evaluation.  So far, I haven't been able to get the jaw and tongure objects to show up in Poser, but that might be an issue of nomenclature.  I still haven't tried all my ideas yet.
DPH

dp, have you checked the length of the final neck? It looks a bit short to me but that may be a matter of taste... I just think necks don't scale to well in poser so it would be better to add length in Wings or what ever you used for the splice if you do want to change that. Maybe she just needs her traps flattened a bit. I would love the figure remapped to either V2 or V3 or neither but I think Joe is right and you should use the LOD 17K V4.

When splicing necks, it's VERY important not to change their transition coordinates, or the pieces won't stack back together right in Poser.  I'll see if I can't magnetize the neck a bit to get it longer, -after I fix everything else.
DPH

dp, it looks right from the side.

Judy has bad drop offs on the neck because of most of the neck being of the head part in the standard Judy... the spherical drop off and other JP stuff probably needs to be adusted down to below the chin. I am not good at that stuff but Joe is...