In my opinion, she's the most 'Womanly' of them all, and she's free, and she comes presupplied with a nice wardrobe, plus there's lots of FREE morphs for her, -so why isn't she more popular? David P. Hoadley PS: The example here is taken from my latest gallery upload.

Very nice image :)

So far as people not liking her, I don't think that is the case at all.

She's an older figure now and people tend to gravitate to the newer figures.

When Jessi came out with Poser 6 she was hot commodity with some people for  a while.  Then V4 came out and now she's the hot number.

People have their favourites for whatever the reason, that doesn't mean to say that they don't like the other figures, just that they enjoy one over the others.

 

The EJ figure for Judy has always been my favourite figure. I have V4 but have only used it once.

Attached Link: Judy in doorway

Yup.  I've been using the Eternal Judy variant for a series of story pics on my blog. "Womanly" is the right word.  Perfectly proportioned.

In this pic, she's wearing standard Judy blouse and dynamic skirt.
(The shoes are homemade.)

Beacuse guys being guys, most of them get tired of a figure, and want to move on to something new. Judy has the misfortune of having been around for a while. Same is starting to happen to V3... and by the time V6 is around, people will have neglected V4. 

People interested in 'nostalgia' are always fewer then those chasing latest trends.

So it goes.

Default Judy is ugly like a sin

If anyone wants to use whatever the figure of their personal choice happens to be -- then more power to 'em.  The choices that others might make in such an area don't matter to me in the least.  It's entirely up to them.

Having said that: the market is what it is, and people's tastes are what they are.  I prefer V4.  Most likely, I always will prefer V4.....probably until such time as V5 comes out.  The only thing that would stand a chance of changing my mind about the subject would be if someone came out with a new figure that "out V4'd" V4.

I might use a figure like Judy on occasion -- when she can't be seen too clearly in the image, and when there's no need for a lot of detail.  I don't specifically "dislike" Judy -- or any other Poser figure.  I just happen to prefer V4.  A preference for one thing doesn't mean that you "hate" something else: it just means that the "something else" isn't the place where your individual taste takes you.  And I live by my individual tastes: not by someone else's.  Most people do.

V3 was the hot number for a long time (a 'long time' in Poser terms).  And I still use V3 a fair amount of the time.  But now she's been supplanted -- for the most part -- by V4.  And I like V4 better.

Off the cuff, I'd say that Victoria's next-closest rival would be Miki.

*In my opinion, she's the most 'Womanly' of them all, and she's free, and she comes presupplied with a nice wardrobe, plus there's lots of FREE morphs for her, -so why isn't she more popular?
David P. Hoadley
PS: The example here is taken from my latest gallery upload.

Excellent pic! 

so why isn't she more popular?

I think guys are afraid of a real woman!

Quote - so why isn't she more popular?

I think guys are afraid of a real woman!

Not exactly.........however, "guys being afraid of a real woman" might explain why those guys spend so much time hanging around in Poser -- as a general principle.

Or maybe it has something to do with not being able to get a RW date.........:sneaky:

You can tell that you spend entirely too much time in Poser when you sit in a restaurant or walk through a shopping mall -- "*She's a Judy.  Now her......she's definitely a Victoria !  Her.......posette.........and here comes a Miki........." * Under such circumstances.......yeah, there might be some underlying issues with relating to "real women" in evidence.    But I don't think that specific Poser figure choices have anything to do with it.

Poser figures -- including the women -- always do exactly what they are told -- and with no back-talk.  That's why it's called fantasy............:lol:

"*Default Judy is ugly like a sin"

But so is Defaault Vicky, -any and all versions!

*"Poser figures -- including the women -- always do exactly what they are told -- and with no back-talk.  That's why it's called fantasy............"

And they're always in the mood! ;=D
DPH

Another figure rally?

I have and use judy, EJ looks good but so do the Yamato hybrids of Judy.

I have so many figures that I use what I need and like and not what otheres think is good. Different stokes for different folks.

Don't forget Judy was P5. there are many that don't have P5 and may not know that she is in the legacy content that is free when you buy Poser.

To simply answer the original question.  I agree with Casette, but not only do I think default Judy is ugly as sin I think any morphed version I've seen of her is ugly as well.  I have seen renders of other models which I thought were realistic.  I have never once seen anything of Judy that I thought looked like anything more than an outdated unrealistic ugly  model.

Of course I haven't come close to "seeing it all" yet, but I highly doubt anything I missed would change my mind.

^^ prepare to be crucified hon

Judy never was very popular, even right when she came out with P5. Alien looking woman. And ugly as sin :)

The P5s were hardly perfect, but they were very serviceable for a few years. They are more compatible with the face room, low rez and easy to work with.

Attached Link: Judy in doorway*

Yup.  I've been using the Eternal Judy variant for a series of story pics on my blog.
"Womanly" is the right word.  Perfectly proportioned.

In this pic, she's wearing standard Judy blouse and dynamic skirt.
(The shoes are homemade.)

Great pic!

I agree her proportions are more realistic. 

You can tell that you spend entirely too much time in Poser when you sit in a restaurant or walk through a shopping mall -- "She's a Judy. Now her......she's definitely a Victoria ! Her.......posette.........and here comes a Miki........." I went into a paint store recently and asked for interior paint with lambert diffusion characteristics. I got a very strange look for the saleman.

Quote - ^^ prepare to be crucified hon

Being a Jew, I have an adversion to crucifictions.
DPH

DPH,

Very funny typo you made. You mean aversion, right?

Adversion (a very old, obsolete word) means "a turning towards, interest in". I hardly think that's what you were trying to say, LOL.

dphoadley@bgginsbill
You're right, but it wasn't a typo, -I honestly  mistook one word for the other.  Thank you for pointing out my mistake, and allowing me to add to my vocabulary: Webster Dictionary, 1913:
**
Adversion Ad`versary (#), n.; pl. Adversaries (#). [OE. adversarie, direct fr. the Latin, and adversaire, fr. OF. adversier, aversier, fr. L. adversarius (a.) turned toward, (n.) an adversary. See Adverse.] One who is turned against another or others with a design to oppose26 or resist them; a member of an opposing or hostile party; an opponent; an antagonist; an enemy; a foe.> Adver"sion* (#), n.[L. adversio] A turning towards; attention. [Obs.] Dr. H. More.

Yours truly,

DPH  ;=D

I'd say that most people would have an aversion to crucifixion.  It wasn't an easy way to die.  Perhaps the worst & most painful method of execution ever invented by man......but the Romans were known for doing things like that.  Although the Romans didn't invent crucifixion.  The Persians did.

OT -- and please don't read the following paragraph if you are of a sensitive nature:

The Romans had another punishment for murderers.  It involved tying the dead body of the murder victim to the back of the murderer, arm to arm, leg to leg, etc.......and then allowing the murder victim's body to slowly rot off.  In the process, the corruption of the dead body would gradually spread into the living body of the murderer.  Such punishments fit the Roman sense of justice and revenge  - i.e. permitting the murder victim to avenge their own death.  The Romans were such inventive people..........and we'd probably all have an adversion to that.

.........but I'm willing to bet that if the same sort of punishments were still in vogue today: then we'd see a lot fewer murders than we do.

cough cough -- back to talking about Judy.........

I think 'adversion' is quickly taking on the meaning of 'aversion'.   It's an easy semantic
shift, because 'adverse' implies a bad situation; and 'adverse' is more common
than 'averse'.  So 'adversion' sounds like a nominal form of 'adverse'.  
May not be good Latin, but it's a normal linguistic process.

But if you want to express extreme disgust, there's still no substitute
for 'eversion'!  Especially if you're a sea cucumber or a supermodel.

... or a cucumber supermodel (if anyone can add the 'super' word to Judy)

:lol:

*'But if you want to express extreme disgust, there's still no substitute
for 'eversion'!  Especially if you're a sea cucumber or a supermodel.'

Very Funny, and for those who haven't heard of this word before, here's a definition:
Noun: eversion  i'vurzhun1. The position of being turned outward
"the eversion of the foot"
 

1. The act of turning inside out

• inversion, everting

Derived forms: eversions  See also: evert

Casette, my friend, easy there, -you're beginning to sound like me, when I'm high in my heat, and fulminating against Daz and the Vickies!  DO you really want to acquire my bad habits? ;=D
DPH

In the specific cases I mentioned, eversion means to turn the guts inside out.
Sea cucumbers (and related echinoderms like starfish or sea urchins) can do
this; some use it for self-defense, others use it as a way to get inside another
creature and digest it.   Sort of like a tongue-lashing taken to extremes.

Quote - In the specific cases I mentioned, eversion means to turn the guts inside out.
Sea cucumbers (and related echinoderms like starfish or sea urchins) can do
this; some use it for self-defense, others use it as a way to get inside another
creature and digest it.   Sort of like a tongue-lashing taken to extremes.

 
Sounds deliciously pornographic, especially the tongue lashing! -maybe somebody could come up with a morph. ;=D
DPH

The default Judy was a bizarre looking character, but other users have found ways of making her look more palatable. The default Poser 4 female figure looked better. I haven't played enough with Judy to decide if the figure was grouped better than the earlier one.

In the end, Judy was doomed the way most Poser figures drop by the wayside--Lack of widespread merchant support. Wardrobe Wizard, and the other clothing programs, make it a little easier to use older, and other, figures. It's still more work. Unless a person has a favorite morph, of one of the older figures, that they want to keep using, there isn't a lot of reason to go to the extra trouble to convert clothing items.

My workflow is usually picking the outfit I want in an image rather than the figure, so I tend to look at the figure with the most clothing, V3/M3, and then V2/M2, before looking at any other figures. Picking a morph/face for the character is secondary because there are more than enough unique character looks in those figure sets to satisfy my creative needs. I'll occasionally feel guilty for not using non-DAZ figures, but it's just how things shook out in the Poser community. Now, if I need a monster, or other type of character, I'll often look outside of DAZ, though DAZ has been introducing some interesting alternative figures in the last few years (such as the Troll and Nybras).

Yes, I know what you mean.  The new Supermodel Cuky is ugly in her default form.  But when you apply the Gherkin morph, or the Piccalilly character,  ooh la la!

I've never seen a render making her attractive enough to want to use either. Looking at th enewer models, and textures available, some come very close to photorealistic.. Judy always looks like old days primitive cgi to me.

And the lack of a really high quality wardrobe and accessories fo her just worstens the situation.

Look at all the amazing aery soul items for V4, and then try to find anything even comparable for Judy.

 

I think EJ-Judy is quite nice. Here she is with some dynamic hair I made for her. cheerio  lululee

Well, let's face it:  if the poserguys had done a decent job on their own models, DAZ would have been bankrupt for years now. The only reason why people complain about the DAZ-models is because you have to pay for it, and the fact that a lot of people have paid for it, does mean that DAZ has done a good job, true or not?
 I agree that the default DAZ-models don't look so good, but if they did DAZ wouldn't sell any of his morph++ and texture packets. And that's where the poserguys leaves us in the cold, you have to buy morph-packets for their models from third-party vendors. Ok, you have the face-room, but as soon as you apply some emotion you have the old Judy, or Jessi or Sydney back, and have you forget the horrible knee and elbow joints? I thought they would have fixed that with poser 7, but Sydney, Jessi G2 and even Miki 2 bent worse than a Barby.
I'm sorry to say but DAZ is miles ahead if it comes to 3d-(female) models. V4 is in my opinion the most versatile female model at the moment. And of course it has it's drawbacks, like the enormous derriere when it bents over and it's over-discussed armpits, but it has progress and support and that's more than you can say about the genuine poser-models.
V4 was an evolution compaired to V3 and so will V5, and V6 be. And that's the reason why I would buy any new upgrade of Victoria. One of the coming generation of Vx's will be a model that is capable of representing any woman on earth with lifelike anatomy and rigging.
Judy will be by then long forgotten or someone with a nostalgious mind does have  to made a Judy Fullbody morph for Vicky.

just my €0.02

Bopprrrrt.

> Quote - To simply answer the original question.  I agree with Casette, but not only do I think default Judy is ugly as sin I think any morphed version I've seen of her is ugly as well.  I have seen renders of other models which I thought were realistic.  I have never once seen anything of Judy that I thought looked like anything more than an outdated unrealistic ugly  model. > > Of course I haven't come close to "seeing it all" yet, but I highly doubt anything I missed would change my mind.

A lot of people seem to only like the latest daz figure, even if it is not very good.

Quote - A lot of people seem to only like the latest daz figure, even if it is not very good.

It's a good thing that the latest DAZ figure is good.

Makes you wonder if there is a poser 8, what are the figures goiing to be. The same as they are now? It's is amazing that the poser figures still have not been fix properly in these few years they have been out. You think the g2 and miki are bad, what about Kate and Ben. they are a joint nightmare. Let's not forget, These poser figures since P6 are desgned in a way as to not be as easy to morph as the Daz figures.

Do you think SM are the type of company to have new figures created for Poser?

As for Judy, what happened DPH, did Possette finally die?

Quote -" "A lot of people seem to only like the latest daz figure, even if it is not very good.
"

It's a good thing that the latest DAZ figure is good."*

Is there a newer figure than v4/a4?  I didn`t know.

Daz figures are nice, but they are not better then original poser characters. All Vickys are so popular because Daz has good marketing specialists. We can buy hundreds new figures which are very similar to default (for example celebrity for V4 where main differences are hairs - btw not included) :P Even if there are any differences similar effect is very easy to obtain with few simple morph (most often FBMs gives better effects then "new sexy figure for V3.14159).  Biggest advantage of Daz figures is great presentation of products. Vicky is a woman who always wear high black boots (high heel ofc), she always hold sword, whip or gun. Her favourite clothes are sexy lingerie, minimal bra and undies, sometimes armor bikini style. She knows only 1 man - he use many names and changing skin color or tattoos but always look the same, his tru name is Michael. Poser artists create world breeding Vickys by partenogenesis (I think it can look nice), because Michael does not occuring frequently. World of poser is like hollywood there is place only for beauties with legs 2 meters long and silicone breasts (see above - main differences between Judy and Farrach are lolita face and unnatural silicone breasts). Judy and Sidney does not suit to this world. All girls MUST be beauty and sexy. They could be quite pretty women in real world but most people treat poser figures as a fulfilling erotic dreams. They want create idols but in fact Judy is their neighbour, shop assistance, shool teacher etc.

And now I must admit that I love Daz figure. They are piece of hard work. (IMO only Apollo is better) but I think that most artists use them because they are "trendy" not because they are good. The proof is that they prefer buy new morph then create new figure using existing.

*** If you found something abusing in this post - I'm sorry. It is caused by my lack of English not my intention ;) ***

Quote - Is there a newer figure than v4/a4?  I didn`t know.

Nope, there isn't.  It's a good thing that V4 is such a good figure......doubtless, that's a big part of the reason why she's so popular.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread: I don't care which figures other people opt to use for their own purposes.  Not a problem at all.  Their taste -- their choice.  That's what it's all about.

The problem is that some of the anti-DAZ / anti-Victoria types are like militant vegetarians: they aren't satisfied with simply living as they, themselves choose to live.  Rather, they insist that everyone else has to stop eating meat, too.  And they're constantly in a state of irritation and anger over the fact that 98% of the rest of the world refuses to go along with the innate brilliance of their way of thinking.

The Poser market is what it is.  Deal with it.  3D meshes are not a matter of moral choice.  It's more like a choice between chocolate or vanilla.  My taste might not be the same as yours.  For whatever reason: some people have a very hard time accepting that thought.

Personally, I don't mind at all that anyone else prefers to use posette, or dork, or James, or Jessie, or whatever.  Go for it.  But don't take on an irritating air of moral superiority over the ignorant hoi polloi.......(snort)........due to support for a particular 3D mesh........:lol::lol::lol:

If you like a figure that needs magnets to work, uses injection morphs and is not really better than a p4 figure then v4 is great.

Quote - If you like a figure that needs magnets to work, uses injection morphs and is not really better than a p4 figure then v4 is great.

shrug  Your opinion, your choice.  Arguing over such matters is like arguing over color choices in home decorating.  I'll make a deal with you: I'll paint my living room the way that I want to, and you can paint yours the way that you want to.  Likewise: you can set up your runtime the way that you want to, and I'll set mine up the way that I want to.  Then it's all good. 

I don't care so much if VIcky  looks beautiful, I think it's more important that she can look real. And that means that she also can be ugly. It's easier to make Vicky look ugly than to make Judy look beautiful. DAZ doesn't only make sexy clothes for Victoria, but also victorian, medieval and casual clothing, but people always seems to focus on the skimpy sexy, fantasy outfits, of which, by the way, the majority is sold here at renderosity. Like I said: there are a lot things that can be impoved on the DAZ-models, but at least they are being improved, bit by bit of course, but if the poser guys and -girls had stayed with there original models and used those as a subject for their development, Judy would have been a good starting point: at least the body was better than P6 - Jessi, who looked like an anorethic alien, On the other hand: I did liked James and still do. At the moment there are the G2  - models, but generation from what? only the names Jessi and James are the same, but the difference between Jessi 1 and Jessi 2 is much bigger than V3 and V4. And why do you need three or four different models: Sydney, Jessi and Miki for the females and James, Simon, Koji and Kelvin for the male figures. At Daz dropped the coin and they made Aiko and Vicky one and the same model and it's for sure that the next Michael will have morphs for Hiro and even the Freak. The only difference is that the posermodels are for free if you own Poser, but DAZ has its free studio of course.
My point is: Poser models are DAZ major products so the quality and development of them will be their prime target. For the poserdevelopmentteam models will always be a by-product which can be shown on the latest so-called low-polygon models of Poserpro, which are the farce of the century. Helgards"Vincent"  model proves that  lowpoly doesn't mean buttugly.

Bopper.

You know, another aspect of these types of threads which always annoys me is found in the apparent underlying assumption -- on the part of some -- that a desire to have and/or to render images of 'beautiful' female figures is at the very least morally suspect; and at the worst a sure indicator of inbred, cro-magnon-like male immaturity.

The assumptive formula seems to follow these rules:

"ordinary" = "good, realistic"
"beautiful" = "immature, unrealistic, bad"

It's a good thing that the artistic masters of former eras weren't so polluted with politically correct thinking.  Otherwise, a lot of the inspiration for the world's greatest art would have been consigned to the trash bin.

Lest anyone get the wrong idea: I'm all for "ordinary".  "Ordinary" is good.  But beauty is a reality in the world, too.  And noticing the fact isn't an automatic indication of immaturity.......although, admittedly: the reaction to beauty can be a sure indicator of immaturity.  But that problem is found in the observer: not in the incandescent source.

*Lest anyone get the wrong idea: I'm all for "ordinary".  "Ordinary" is good.  But beauty is a reality in the world, too.  And noticing the fact isn't an automatic indication of immaturity.......although, admittedly: the reaction to beauty can be a sure indicator of immaturity.  But that problem is found in the observer: not in the incandescent source.

Are we talkin' scantly dressed jello wrestlers with big boobies?

"Ordinair" in dutch means : Banal, almost vulgair. And don't let Babelfish mislead you: it isn't "common"

Guys, take it easy. Men quarrel about women since ages. Sometimes fight or even start wars, but usually women were real. You should not be angry, because somebody discredited cr2 file.
Question was why Judy is not liked. We have many answers and I think dphoadley did not want cause so serious discussion ;)

I hate when so many artiststs waste theirs time on forum instead of work with Poser and make freebies.

 

The P5s were very versatile. Judy only:

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1321956&member

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1228957&member

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1252965&member

Judy and Don:

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1319470&member

IMNSHO, Judy's face is uglier than a steaming pile of dog turds .... but the body is good. As has been pointed out though, she has the potential to be turned into a good-looking gal (e.g. Farrah by Quarker).

On the other hand, V3 has a body that looks badly atrophied, and that folds up like a rag doll when bent.

*I hate when so many artiststs waste theirs time on forum instead of work with Poser and make freebies.

I wasn't very serious with my remark, and when I'm not on the forum I'm working on my freebies, but I have to stay in touch now and then.

@fls13, I looked at the renders, but besides that she has a nicer face, I still don't like the body : the shoulders are too wide, the hips are too small , the hands are too big and the elbow bents are terrible.

All that is fixable too, like so many vendors have done with the DAZ females. I've moved on now and do like the V4 body better. I don't use the head though, I use the Eszter head.